Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"[W:132]

[RAMOSS]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

I've told you a number of times not to keep bothering me with your nonsense.

That is your standard reply when you can't back your claims up.

 

[Logicman]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

That is your standard reply when you can't back your claims up.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/reli...wn-mosques-post1067812036.html#post1067812036

 

[Deuce]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

My point is that we should not attempt to remove everything that offends. If we insist where will it stop. Is the end goal to sanitize history?

Your point is a dumb straw man.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

https://www.debatepolitics.com/reli...wn-mosques-post1067812036.html#post1067812036

Like I said, when you can't back your point up, you go to snarkly comments. You also don't know the difference between evidence and a claim

 

[Logicman]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

Like I said, when you can't back your point up, you go to snarkly comments. You also don't know the difference between evidence and a claim

I'm not wasting my time on someone who denies everything presented, as you constantly have done in the past. It's a waste of time. That's your answer.

Now don't bother me anymore.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

I'm not wasting my time on someone who denies everything presented, as you constantly have done in the past. It's a waste of time. That's your answer.

Now don't bother me anymore.

There is a way for you not to get bothered.. and that is , to you know, well actually support your claims. I don't even have to agree with it (I probably won't), but supporting your claims would be unique.

 

[Gina]

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Moderator's Warning:

Any poster is permitted to respond to any other poster, but now the thread is being derailed. Logicman, Ramoss and anyone else involved in their back and forth needs to stop. Let is go and please move on with the discussion.

 

[SgtRock]

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And so that’s why the Bible saif it was OK for their masters to rape them with impunity, beat them until they were incapacitated for a few day, and hold them for life if they were not Israelites. Got it. Thanks.

What would we do without such moral guidance?

Reformation. Read about it. Jesus didn't own slaves. Muhammad did.

 

[SgtRock]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

Your point is a dumb straw man.

Reminder to self. Ignore this troll Deuce

 

[CletusWilbury]

... Now there are demands that Washington and Jefferson monuments and memorials be taken down. ...

This is not a serious demand, a couple commentators. What a private church does notwithstanding.

 

[Deuce]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

Reminder to self. Ignore this troll Deuce

It's not trolling. Nobody is trying to "remove anything that offends." History isn't being erased. I know who Robert E. Lee was, and what he did, despite never once in my life actually seeing a statue of the man. How do you suppose that is? How could I possibly remember the history without seeing a statue?

Because that's what folks have been saying. ERASING HISTORY.

Historical assholes belong in history books. There's no reason to idolize them in statues.

 

[SgtRock]

This is not a serious demand, a couple commentators. What a private church does notwithstanding.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/story/665355001/

https://www.google.com/amp/chicago....ton-park-protest-presidents-slave-owners/amp/

CNN's Angela Rye Calls for Washington, Jefferson Monuments to Come Down | Fox News Insider

Here's A List Of All The Monuments Liberals Want To Tear Down So Far

 

[CletusWilbury]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/story/665355001/

https://www.google.com/amp/chicago....ton-park-protest-presidents-slave-owners/amp/

CNN's Angela Rye Calls for Washington, Jefferson Monuments to Come Down | Fox News Insider

Here's A List Of All The Monuments Liberals Want To Tear Down So Far

Angela Rye and (maybe) Al Sharpton are the couple I was referring to. You've added one Pastor and an unnumbered of students.

I see cities that experienced white flight to the suburbs, and now the residents don't want statues of people who are hardly their heroes.

 

[ataraxia]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

Flush.

And what do you indict Jesus on? Can't wait.

Being vague and abstract enough that his followers can “interpret” the Bible to match any old opinion they may currently have; from the KKK to Mother Theresa. Their scripture is just a mirror of their latest personal opinions. It is no guide.

 

[ataraxia]

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Reformation. Read about it. Jesus didn't own slaves. Muhammad did.

So what about it? Jesus never got married either.

As far as the Reformation, it started with Martin Luther. Luther said it was OK to own slaves, even if they were Christian. So I am not sure what point were you trying to make about The Reformation?

As far as the “love thy neighbor” quote, which seems to be the only thing you seem to have to cling to, there is nothing wrong with loving they neighbor, and owning slaves. After all, the Tenth Commandment tells you not to covet anything that belongs to your neighbor, including his sheep, ox, women, as well as slaves. So you can love thy neighbor by respecting his slave property. Not your place to take it away from him.

"... under the same protection as any other species of lawful property...That the Ten Commandments are the word of G-d, and as such, of the very highest authority, is acknowledged by Christians as well as by Jews...How dare you, in the face of the sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments--how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin? When you remember that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job--the men with whom the Almighty conversed, with whose names he emphatically connects his own most holy name, and to whom He vouchsafed to give the character of 'perfect, upright, fearing G-d and eschewing evil' (Job 1:8)--that all these men were slaveholders, does it not strike you that you are guilty of something very little short of blasphemy?”
-MJ Raphael, 1861

 

[Logicman]

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Being vague and abstract enough that his followers can “interpret” the Bible to match any old opinion they may currently have; from the KKK to Mother Theresa. Their scripture is just a mirror of their latest personal opinions. It is no guide.

Nonsense. It's only vague to those who give it the bum's rush and don't do their proper due diligence.

 

[PoS]

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Yes, but did Jesus own slaves? The answer is no. He was a reformer.

No he wasnt. He never freed any slaves and even praised an owner of a slave.

In Matthew 8:15 a Centurion approaches him and says his slave was sick, Jesus heals the slave and openly admires their homosexual relationship.

 

[American]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

Slavery is condoned all throughout the Bible. God ordered the murder of every male in a conquered enemy society then the rape and captivity of their women and children. I think you're right, it's time to tear down the Churches for what they represent.



Nope, we support SgtBrownShirt's call to the destruction of all Abrahamic places of worship.

You argument is specious, because he never advocated for any such thing.

 

[HowardBThiname]

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No he wasnt. He never freed any slaves and even praised an owner of a slave.

In Matthew 8:15 a Centurion approaches him and says his slave was sick, Jesus heals the slave and openly admires their homosexual relationship.

That's actually Mt 8:8, but the original word is translated to "servant" in the KJV, and, while it could mean slave, there's a greater chance that it does not. It's from the Greek word, "paji."

Word: paij

Pronounce: paheece

Strongs Number: G3816

Orig: perhaps from 3817; a boy (as often beaten with impunity), or (by analogy), a girl, and (genitive case) a child; specially, a slave or servant (especially a minister to a king; and by eminence to God):--child, maid(-en), (man) servant, son, young man. G3817

Use: TDNT-5:636,759 Noun

Heb Strong: H376 H582 H1121 H2428 H3206 H4397 H5288 H5291 H5650 H5971

1) a child, boy or girl
1a) infants, children
2) servant, slave
2a) an attendant, servant, spec. a king's attendant, minister

For Synonyms see entry G5868 & G5943

 

[PoS]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

That's actually Mt 8:8, but the original word is translated to "servant" in the KJV, and, while it could mean slave, there's a greater chance that it does not. It's from the Greek word, "paji."

From your own link it says slave on it too. Plus Jesus never spoke out against slavery.

 

[HowardBThiname]

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From your own link it says slave on it too. Plus Jesus never spoke out against slavery.

Yes, I said it could mean slave, but more than likely does not. The KJV scholars determine it's closest to "servant." The whole Jesus thing is myth so that should be taken into consideration, but as the myth goes, it's much milder than its forerunner, the Old Testament, and also much milder than the Koran.

 

[ataraxia]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

That's actually Mt 8:8, but the original word is translated to "servant" in the KJV, and, while it could mean slave, there's a greater chance that it does not. It's from the Greek word, "paji."

"Servant" in the KJV is the same thing as slave.

"Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property].""

It clearly says a man's "servant" is his property. If you own your servant as your personal property, to do with as you please, including physically beating them, that means slave.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:

SERVANT
sur'-vant ('ebhedh; doulos):

(1) The most frequent usage is as the equivalent of "slave"
https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/servant/

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: Muhammad slave owner "Tear down the Mosques"

"Servant" in the KJV is the same thing as slave.



It clearly says a man's "servant" is his property. That means slave.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia "

See post #144.

 

[ataraxia]

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Nonsense. It's only vague to those who give it the bum's rush and don't do their proper due diligence.

And "due diligence" means listening to and agreeing with your latest opinions on the "proper interpretation", I assume?

Are you saying you know more than the 10th commandment, that tells you to not covet your neighbor's property, including his slaves?

 

[ataraxia]

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See post #144.

So how do your definitions work in the context of saying it's OK to beat your servant, but only until they are incapacitated for a day or two?

And how does it work in the context of the 10th commandment, which says you should not covet your neighbor's belongings, including his ox, sheep, and "servants"?