Mueller report summary sent to Congress

[Slyfox696]

You continue to embarrass yourself (and I don't mean your babyish first sentence above).

It's amusing that my mocking of your refusal to click links causes you to think I'm the baby...

You've posted two links in this thread, the first to Fox News's link: Read the Mueller report findings: Barr’s letter to Congress | Fox News

The second link you've posted was to a WaPo article in Post 431. I responded to you in Post 484 and quoted from the linked article:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-summary-sent-congress-49.html#post1069862987

So much for your claim that I don't click on contrarian links.

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Only one of those links were to you and in BOTH cases I copied and pasted words from the source. So, in no way, have you proven you click contrarian links (and, in the past, have proven you REFUSE to click on contrarian links). You even flat out said, in regards to the one link (which was actually a source, not a link for you to read, as I posted the relevant info from the source) that I posted for you that you don't read WaPo articles depending on the time of month.

Your exact words: "And be advised that if you post links to WaPo or the NY Times, whether I click on the link or not depends on what time of the month it is and how many free reads I have left."

This is easily the most disingenuous comment I have seen today, though it is early and you still have a chance to be outdone.

Throughout this thread you've accused others of lying and making stuff up.

Only the people who lie and make stuff up. Like, for example, those who suggest they click on contrarian links and provide no evidence they actually do so and plenty of evidence (such as their own words) that they don't.

Look to yourself. :3oops:

Myself? Pointing out the fact you have refused to click links which will prove you wrong and demolishing your insinuation that Mueller can't/shouldn't have his report released based on the words of an unethical hack is neither lying or making stuff up.

If you don't mind, for your next post, if you could try posting something A) which responds, even a little, to the topic of Mueller's report, rather than dodging the fact your insinuation was nonsense and B) something which is not disingenuous and laughable, I'd appreciate it.

 

[JANFU]

I think I heard Deutsche Bank is turning over evidence as well.

I fully expect bank fraud, and assorted Felonies that go with it to be laid. SDNY has a number of ongoing investigations into Trump Corp- Family
Question is when charges will be laid?
Would charges if laid during 2020 primaries be seen as interfering in an election?
Trump can be named as an unindicted co conspirator as DOJ will not indict a sitting President.

Then we have D Bank and dirty money from Russia.

 

[Idiometer]

I'm not sure it's being ignored; I see it as part of the report.

The only pundit who even mentioned it was Rachel Maddow, who had it in a long list of things we still don't know.

I think I'm done with this forum. Lately I find myself debunking the same lies from the same right wingers here that I debunked weeks or months ago. They drop the debate, then come back with the exact same bull**** on another thread. And that's even been the case with at least one of this sites monitors.

There's so little real exchange of views and ideas here. Too much stupid, too much snark, and very little substance. I'm neither learning anything nor teaching anything. It's become predictable and boring.

Beam me up, Scotty ... there's no intelligent life down here.

:beam:

 

[apdst]

Yeah - how's that working for Hillary??

:lamo:lamo

"But...but...Hillaryyyyyyy!!!" :lamo

 

[Slyfox696]

The only pundit who even mentioned it was Rachel Maddow, who had it in a long list of things we still don't know.

I think I'm done with this forum. Lately I find myself debunking the same lies from the same right wingers here that I debunked weeks or months ago. They drop the debate, then come back with the exact same bull**** on another thread. And that's even been the case with at least one of this sites monitors.

There's so little real exchange of views and ideas here. Too much stupid, too much snark, and very little substance. I'm neither learning anything nor teaching anything. It's become predictable and boring.

Beam me up, Scotty ... there's no intelligent life down here.

:beam:

If it makes you feel better, just remember not all people who post something to the Internet are doing so in good faith...

 

[smallvoice]

Trump's performance has been lackluster to say the least. The economic recovery which started under Obama is expected to slow considerably in the next year or two. Farmers are being squeezed out of business thanks to Trump's trade war. He presided over the longest government shutdown in US history, and got nothing for it. (The dems are going to make sure voters don't forget about that one.) He declared a phony national emergency to bypass Congress for a wasteful pet project. And now with the dismantling of universal healthcare and the reinstatement of insurance companies' right to deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions, it's not looking too good for the GOP in 2020.

So someone might think your crystal ball is cloudy, or you are fantasizing. OK.

 

[Idiometer]

If it makes you feel better, just remember not all people who post something to the Internet are doing so in good faith...

Yeah, that's part of the problem. That makes it even worse.

 

[Chomsky]

What is it that you think you will find in there that Barr didn't?

I have no idea.

 

[Plus Ultra]

This collusion thing, and generally Democrat opposition to all things Trump, has prevented discussion of substantive matters. I hope the Democrats can move on, and Trump isn't too vindictive. Issues like immigration and border security, healthcare, race relations, all deserve more serious discussion. Just dismissing anything Trump proposes is not a sensible way to proceed, his policies and proposals need to be considered, they can be opposed, but should be discussed.

 

[prometeus]

This collusion thing, and generally Democrat opposition to all things Trump, has prevented discussion of substantive matters.

You mean like this?
YouTube

I hope ... and Trump isn't too vindictive.

Would you hold your breath?

Just dismissing anything Trump proposes is not a sensible way to proceed, his policies and proposals need to be considered, they can be opposed, but should be discussed.

LIke nonexisting national emergencies, doing away with preexisting conditions, hell even screwing special olympics. Why should any discussion even take place with such an incompetent morally bankrupt imbecile?

 

[Chomsky]

The only pundit who even mentioned it was Rachel Maddow, who had it in a long list of things we still don't know.

I think I'm done with this forum. Lately I find myself debunking the same lies from the same right wingers here that I debunked weeks or months ago. They drop the debate, then come back with the exact same bull**** on another thread. And that's even been the case with at least one of this sites monitors.

There's so little real exchange of views and ideas here. Too much stupid, too much snark, and very little substance. I'm neither learning anything nor teaching anything. It's become predictable and boring.

Beam me up, Scotty ... there's no intelligent life down here.

:beam:

Sadly though, this is the M.O. being propagated from the administration and it's immense media arms. We live in an era of propaganda and mis-information, starting at the highest levels of government. Besides being embedded in Trump's media orgs, the propaganda is now fully embraced by his supporters. It's what the real-life Chomsky calls, "manufacturing consent". And, it's extremely dangerous.

Remember what Voltaire said: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

As to the Debate Politics Forum, I think it's just reflecting the current state of the body politic under Donald Trump. There's others that are far worse, that's for sure.

I'd hope you'd consider hanging around, but good luck in your travels if you decide to expand your horizons.

 

[SLC]

Chomsky

I have always liked your posts. But I know you were waiting breathlessly for the Mueller Report and you bought into the whole Russian Collusion Delusion. Don't you think its time to turn your attention to removing Trump the old fashion way. At the ballot box. After the extensive investigation its pretty clear that "there is no there there." To me people that believe in collusion "Collusioners" are just the same as "Birthers" They both dislike a President and cling to a lie in hopes to remove him from office.

 

[SLC]

lwf

It would be child's play. Democrats control the House. We saw how easy it was with Bill Clinton for a single charge of perjury after a much longer and more costly witch hunt where republicans were desperately trying to find something to impeach over. But I don't know that it would be a good political move for democrats to impeach. A Trump ticket in 2020 gives them the best chance to take the presidency. The wisest move for conservatives is to run a different candidate and wipe the slate clean.

Clinton was impeached for perjury AND obstruction of justice. [he suborned perjury]

 

[Plus Ultra]

You mean like this?
YouTube

Won't discuss video

Would you hold your breath?

He's got good reason to be quite unhappy as it becomes increasingly evident a cadre of high-ranking intelligence community officers acting together sought to prevent Trump's election and then to remove him from office, based on concocted evidence in what they had to know was a fake dossier Hillary commissioned to defeat Trump. Whatever Trump does to those behind this hoax, couldn't be as bad as what they've done to him.

LIke nonexisting national emergencies, doing away with preexisting conditions, hell even screwing special olympics. Why should any discussion even take place with such an incompetent morally bankrupt imbecile?

Because these things have nuance and detail.

 

[prometeus]

Won't discuss video

Because it negates your narrative.

He's got good reason to be quite unhappy

Yea, because he is an incompetent moron and a crook and his past is catching up to him.

as it becomes increasingly evident a cadre of high-ranking intelligence community officers acting together sought to prevent Trump's election and then to remove him from office

This is not the conspiracy fub-forum.

based on concocted evidence in what they had to know was a fake dossier Hillary commissioned to defeat Trump. Whatever Trump does to those behind this hoax, couldn't be as bad as what they've done to him.

Nothing bad was done to him and if anything was done to him he brought it all on himself.

 

[Plus Ultra]

Because it negates your narrative.

No, I don't discuss video because I just don't watch it and have never figured out how I'd discuss what happens three minutes and 34 seconds into some video without having to transcribe the thing and then get into the gesticulation or 'body language'. I'll discuss the printed word, there's a record of that, I can discuss a statement in writing. What are you going to counter with, "but look at what she says at minute 5.42? And everyone else in the debate is going to be transcribing this?

Yea, because he is an incompetent moron and a crook and his past is catching up to him.

In this case it apparently didn't as "his past" was allegedly collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary, but Mueller found the evidence lacking.

Nothing bad was done to him and if anything was done to him he brought it all on himself.

Trump has been kept from fully implementing policies he was elected to bring about. All presidents will encounter resistance to some of their policies, and differences are negotiated, in Trump's case Democrats hung a suspicion of collusion with Russia over him and point blank opposed everything he advocated. The whole nation has suffered as a result. In some cases it is obvious; meeting with Kim and moving the embassy to Jerusalem are excellent examples of knee-jerk Democrat opposition without sound basis, why oppose Gorsuch and Kavanough, why oppose improved security at the border with a projected million and a half illegal immigrants per year (on top of up to 22 million already in the US)? Just because Trump wants it is not a good answer if this was why he was elected.

 

[prometeus]

No, I don't discuss video because I just don't watch it and have never figured out how I'd discuss what happens three minutes and 34 seconds into some video without having to transcribe the thing and then get into the gesticulation or 'body language'.

Bull crap. It is 7 seconds long.

In this case it apparently didn't as "his past" was allegedly collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary, but Mueller found the evidence lacking.

But not entirely absent.

Trump has been kept from fully implementing policies he was elected to bring about. All presidents will encounter resistance to some of their policies, and differences are negotiated, in Trump's case Democrats hung a suspicion of collusion with Russia over him and point blank opposed everything he advocated.

Like all presidents before him.

The whole nation has suffered as a result.

Really? How?

why oppose Gorsuch and Kavanough

Because Gorsuch is a total asshole who would rather see people die that corporations be held accountable and Kavanaugh is a political operative and like Kagan should not be sitting on the highest court.

why oppose improved security at the border

Nobody is opposing that, only the waste of money that Trump lied would come from Mexico.

Why were all the previous Presidents elected and did not get what they wanted?

 

[Plus Ultra]

Bull crap. It is 7 seconds long.

Wouldn't know, didn't see it, don't know if its 7 seconds or 7 minutes, won't watch, can't debate video.

But not entirely absent.

Perhaps, hard to tell without seeing what Mueller found. Mueller didn't think it was enough.

Like all presidents before him.

No, everything Trump has proposed has been completely and unanimously opposed by the Democrats, this is unusual.

Really? How?

Some of Trump's proposals do make sense, they should have been discussed, compromised and resolved for the national good.

Because Gorsuch is a total asshole who would rather see people die that corporations be held accountable and Kavanaugh is a political operative and like Kagan should not be sitting on the highest court.

Like they say, "opinions are like anal orifices, everyone has one"

Nobody is opposing that, only the waste of money that Trump lied would come from Mexico.

The Democrat campaign motto is "abolish ICE".

Why were all the previous Presidents elected and did not get what they wanted?

As I noted they been opposed, but not to the degree Trump has been, the #resist, #NeverTrump has resulted in complete opposition to everything from Trump (even sensible things). For example why oppose denuclearizing North Korea?

 

[prometeus]

Wouldn't know

Yes, wilful ignorance is bliss.

Mueller didn't think it was enough.

Nobody said it was.

No, everything Trump has proposed has been completely and unanimously opposed by the Democrats, this is unusual.

Why? For example what was supported that was proposed by Obama?

Some of Trump's proposals do make sense

So did Obama's.

Like they say, "opinions are like anal orifices, everyone has one"

Indeed and some are informed and based on facts and yours is just like you said.

The Democrat campaign motto is "abolish ICE".

Can you supporte that with anything?

As I noted they been opposed, but not to the degree Trump has been

Then you have not been paying attention.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Here we go with the conservatives believing in Mueller all of a sudden.

It has nothing to do with believing in Mueller. Mueller never said anything because there was no evidence. Now putting a stop to the misuse of our Justice department for political gain by the democrats was a real concern.

 

[danarhea]

It has nothing to do with believing in Mueller. Mueller never said anything because there was no evidence. Now putting a stop to the misuse of our Justice department for political gain by the democrats was a real concern.

If Trump was exonerated on obstruction of Justice, then he should not be worried at all about the public seeing what's in the report.

The administration's task is very simple, and will prove that they are not attempting a cover up. Show us the exoneration.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

If Trump was exonerated on obstruction of Justice, then he should not be worried at all about the public seeing what's in the report.

The administration's task is very simple, and will prove that they are not attempting a cover up. Show us the exoneration.

Stopping a witch hunt is not obstruction of justice but obstruction of the misuse of our justice system. We need to start an investigation into the lie that there was collusion between Trump and Putin and start indicting those misusing our justice system for personal and political gain.

 

[ecofarm]

Stopping a witch hunt is not obstruction of justice but obstruction of the misuse of our justice system. We need to start an investigation into the lie that there was collusion between Trump and Putin and start indicting those misusing our justice system for personal and political gain.

Trump's campaign manager went to prison for dealings with illegal cash and Russian government agents during the campaign.

 

[Fruityfact]

The only pundit who even mentioned it was Rachel Maddow, who had it in a long list of things we still don't know.

I think I'm done with this forum. Lately I find myself debunking the same lies from the same right wingers here that I debunked weeks or months ago. They drop the debate, then come back with the exact same bull**** on another thread. And that's even been the case with at least one of this sites monitors.

There's so little real exchange of views and ideas here. Too much stupid, too much snark, and very little substance. I'm neither learning anything nor teaching anything. It's become predictable and boring.

Beam me up, Scotty ... there's no intelligent life down here.

:beam:

I mean, if anyone is still a republican, they're either a moron(a great majority of em), or selfish in some way(typically the taxation is theft crowd)

 

[prometeus]

I mean, if anyone is still a republican, they're either a moron(a great majority of em), or selfish in some way(typically the taxation is theft crowd)

Yea, that ^^^^^^^^^^^^