Mueller Has Dozens of Inquiries for Trump in Broad Quest on Russia Ties and Obstruction

[upsideguy]

If Trump's approval goes to 45% and the Dems have less than a six point lead, the GOP will probably keep both chambers by a slim margin.

....Mueller should have a couple of rounds of indictments before the election, some of them will be closer to, if not IN, the West Wing. Trump, of course, will go bonkers and the "No collusion" line will start to break down.

The stock market and the economy are each rolling through one of the the longest periods of growth ever.

The recovery from the Great Recession is now the second-longest ever

We are overdue for correction (alhtough some of that is happening) and recession. If Trump's tariffs actually go into effect, this has a high probability of happening in Aug or Sept.

I think Trump will be very lucky to keep Trump's approval numbers above 40 and the Dems will likely have an 8-10 point lead going into elections.

Yes, its possible the Cons can con their way into another house majority (a good economy and Korea could be pluses, but if he rips up the Iran deal, that could offset gains in Korea). Nonetheless, with the investigation(s) getting closer, Trump being more and more rattled (and then unhinged), a cabinet stock piled with controversy, an economy that may be operating on vapor, the forecast is for Stormy weather and rough seas ahead. ...

 

[Athanasius68]

LOL, is that a Fox News talking point or something, because it's nonsense. From the indictment and stipulation: https://www.lawfareblog.com/george-papadopoulos-stipulation-and-plea-agreement



He also lied about what he believed was the connection between the professor and the babe and Russian higher ups - told FBI he thought they were nobodies, while in truth he believed and acted as if he believed they were both very close to Putin and carried a great deal of influence.

Which is what I said-- Papadapoulous told the FBI the incorrect dates of his hire.

 

[Athanasius68]

How do you know that nothing happened?

Because nobody has ever shown that Trump & Co. had the emails. Heck-- nobody has shown that Russia ever had them. More Heck-- the storyline continues 2 months later when Trump jr. was looking for the emails as well.

 

[JasperL]

Which is what I said-- Papadapoulous told the FBI the incorrect dates of his hire.

The approximate date of his hire was public record - formally announced March 21.

No, he lied about when and under what circumstances he was approached by Russian operatives offering him dirt on candidate for POTUS Hillary Clinton, which was a full month AFTER the public announcement. He asked the FBI to believe it was all a big coinkydink that Russian operatives picked him at random or something and decided to share news of Russian intelligence having dirt on Hillary, and by some incredible twist of fate he happened to LATER be named to Trump's campaign!

Tells you a little bit about how stupid and naive the guy was in that regard. The story he told is one of those literally LOL things. If the FBI kept a straight face during the interview, you know they must have been true professionals. I'd bet a nickel they LOL'd when they got back to the office.

 

[Athanasius68]

No, he lied about when and under what circumstances he was approached by Russian operatives offering him dirt on candidate for POTUS Hillary Clinton. He asked the FBI to believe it was all a big coinkydink that Russian operatives picked him at random or something and decided to share news of Russian intelligence having dirt on Hillary, and by some incredible twist of fate he happened to LATER be named to Trump's campaign!

Tells you a little bit about how stupid and naive the guy was in that regard. The story he told is one of those literally LOL things. If the FBI kept a straight face during the interview, you know they must have been true professionals. I'd bet a nickel they LOL'd when they got back to the office.

Yes. He said he started working for the Trump campaign on one date, when he really began working there on a different date.

 

[JasperL]

Yes. He said he started working for the Trump campaign on one date, when he really began working there on a different date.

March 21 - Trump publicly announces that PapaD is on his foreign policy advisory team.
April 26 - "Professor" and Russian operative tells PapaD about the emails

During his on the record interview, PapaD falsely claims the discussion on April 26 happened BEFORE he was hired. It's not about when he joined the campaign. Why are you deliberately misstating the facts here?

FBI has Google and probably a subscription to Washington Post, in paper and online. They knew the latest possible date PapaD was hired was March 21, when Trump publicly announced his hiring. The question was about when the April 26 conversation took place. Hint: April 26 is over a month AFTER March 21, not before.

 

[Athanasius68]

March 21 - Trump publicly announces that PapaD is on his foreign policy advisory team.
April 26 - "Professor" and Russian operative tells PapaD about the emails

During his on the record interview, PapaD falsely claims the discussion on April 26 happened BEFORE he was hired. It's not about when he joined the campaign. Why are you deliberately misstating the facts here?

FBI has Google and probably a subscription to Washington Post, in paper and online. They knew the latest possible date PapaD was hired was March 21, when Trump publicly announced his hiring. The question was about when the April 26 conversation took place. Hint: April 26 is over a month AFTER March 21, not before.

I guess I am not understanding the refusal to accept "yes" as an answer.

There is no law against talking to people. Even Russians. There is a law against lying to the FBI. That is what the man pled guilty to-- telling the FBI false dates as to his hire.

 

[Atomic Kid]

I guess I am not understanding the refusal to accept "yes" as an answer.

There is no law against talking to people. Even Russians. There is a law against lying to the FBI. That is what the man pled guilty to-- telling the FBI false dates as to his hire.

Even when they are talking about a crime that has already been committed and are perhaps proposing committing yet another crime? I'd say the chances are pretty good that Papadopoulos passed on the conversation he had with the Professor about DNC stolen emails being in the possession of the Russians. The key question would then be whom in the Trump campaign did he tell. And how far up the chain of Trump campaign upper echelon did that information get passed up. If Mueller has proof of such a communication. Those people could have some pretty tough questions to answer.

 

[Athanasius68]

Even when they are talking about a crime that has already been committed and are perhaps proposing committing yet another crime? I'd say the chances are pretty good that Papadopoulos passed on the conversation he had with the Professor about DNC stolen emails being in the possession of the Russians. The key question would then be whom in the Trump campaign did he tell. And how far up the chain of Trump campaign upper echelon did that information get passed up. If Mueller has proof of such a communication. Those people could have some pretty tough questions to answer.

The missing Clinton emails were what was apparently discussed. The DNC hacks hadnt occurred, or were unknown at the time.

The story at the time of the plea was that Papadopoulous raised the issue with the campaign but there was no interest.

 

[yankintx]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/...reakingNews&contentID=66910978&pgtype=article

Wonder how many or what questions Trumps lawyers will argue against


Link to questions
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/questions-mueller-wants-to-ask-trump-russia.html

That was not the best news today. His daily rant in his safe space, Fox and Friends, resulted in him admitting Cohen had represented him in the Stormy D case, the Liar in Chief keeps opening that cake hole. Folks, your CIC has zero integrity. A quality no longer required in a GOP President. Keep blabbing Trump, Murdoch should give you your own segment on a daily basis. Mr. Mueller and the NY State prosecutor office are listening and taking notes. The Dems don't have to do a damn thing, Trump is own worst enemy.

 

[OscarLevant]

This is fascinating. Keep in mind, there is a 99.99% chance that Mueller already has the answers to these questions. Though the fact that he was willing to share the questions in advance implies a concession to WH lawyers.

These aren't actually Mueller's questions, they are Trump's lawyers interpretations of what they believe Mueller will ask based on exchanges between both parties.

We don't really know what Mueller is going to ask.

 

[yankintx]

This is fascinating. Keep in mind, there is a 99.99% chance that Mueller already has the answers to these questions. Though the fact that he was willing to share the questions in advance implies a concession to WH lawyers.

I believe Mueller has asked that Flynn's next court date be delayed some. Why? My guess, the man is spilling his guts like gutted carp. Luv it !!

 

[OscarLevant]

I wouldn't answer them, either. They have perjury trap written all over them.

They are not technically perjury traps. A bona fide perjury trap is a series of questions designed with the intent to trick someone into perjuring themselves.

All of the questions are legit questions, I seen nothing deceptive about them, at all.

The only reason his lawyers and right wingers are calling it a perjury trap, they are admitting their fearless leader has a problem with the truth.

Anyway,

The way to avoid perjury is to simply tell the truth.

It's only a trap for someone who is a pathological liar.

If Trump is a pathological liar, and he is, it's high time he be held accountable for it. I believe that having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is a threat to National Security.

 

[upsideguy]

These aren't actually Mueller's questions, they are Trump's lawyers interpretations of what they believe Mueller will ask based on exchanges between both parties.

We don't really know what Mueller is going to ask.

The questions are also subject headers. Each question likely has a dozen particular questions.

 

[OscarLevant]

Most of the questions begin with "What was your opinion..." and "What was your reaction...".

You really think Mueller has the answers to those questions?

The questions were framed by Trump's lawyers. I don't believe Mueller will frame them that way. He might frame them like a prosecutor would, where the question is designed for a yes or no answer.

Prosecutor: You offered a pardon to Manafort in exchange for favorable testimony, did you not?

Trump: NO! (then he rants, and shoots himself in the foot ).

etc.


But, I don't know.

 

[j-mac]

No way on this green earth Trump should sit down with Muller and his corrupt team of Democrat operatives. This has Schiff written all over it....

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[haymarket]

Yup. It would absolutely be a fishing expedition, witch hunt, or any label you want to put on it. And it would have absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion which was what Mueller was supposed to be investigating.

Many of the areas were indeed involving Russia and the activities of the campaign with them. Others were regarding the criminal cover-up that happened to hide that Russian involvement. If this is a witch hunt, we have a whole gang of people practicing witchcraft.

 

[Slyfox696]

Yeah-- somebody approached him and said ' i know somebody who might be able to get his hands on the Clinton emails. Interested??" And Papadapoulous said "yes."

He also actively worked and met with multiple people connected to the Russian government in order to set up meetings and communications between Russia and the Trump team.

And he wound up telling the FBI the wrong date of his hire.

No, he lied to the FBI about when he made contact with these people with ties to the Kremlin and admitted he lied. That's incredibly significant.

Your narrative holds no water.

 

[Athanasius68]

He also actively worked and met with multiple people connected to the Russian government in order to set up meetings and communications between Russia and the Trump team.

No, he lied to the FBI about when he made contact with these people with ties to the Kremlin and admitted he lied. That's incredibly significant.

Your narrative holds no water.

Whatever ties he has is relevent only as an employee of the Trump campaign.
Thats the issue. And its that to which he pled guilty-- telling the FBI false dates.
Why the reluctance to accept 'yes' for an answer?

 

[Slyfox696]

During his on the record interview, PapaD falsely claims the discussion on April 26 happened BEFORE he was hired. It's not about when he joined the campaign. Why are you deliberately misstating the facts here?

You know why the posting of lies occurs.

No way on this green earth Trump should sit down with Muller and his corrupt team of Democrat operatives.

You don't support finding out the truth about the extent of the connections between the Trump team and the Russian government? At this point, there is no disputing the ties between them, it's only a matter of how far those ties go.

You don't want to know if one of the politicians in this country committed a completely unpatriotic (and potentially illegal) act by conspiring with a hostile government?


Don't get me wrong, I completely agree there's no way Trump should sit down with Mueller. We just disagree on the reason why. I think it's because Trump is a liar and as guilty as they come and sitting down with Mueller will only make things exponentially worse for him. You obviously have different reasons. But, again, don't you want to know just how far those ties to the Kremlin run between the Trump campaign team and the Russian government?

 

[Slyfox696]

Whatever ties he has is relevent only as an employee of the Trump campaign.

Exactly. That's exactly what we've been saying. He's an employee of the Trump campaign and he consistently and deliberately attempted to meet individuals with ties to the Russian government, to the benefit of the campaign. His lying about his actions were to cover up his role in the plot.

This means his conviction is not "meaningless on the larger issue of alleged Trump collusion", it is actually quite relevant.

Congratulations on tanking your own argument.

Thats the issue. And its that to which he pled guilty-- telling the FBI false dates.

No, the issue is WHY he lied to the FBI and why he told them his interactions with these agents occurred before being hired to the Trump campaign, when in reality they happened after. The issue is why he only met with these people after becoming "an employee of the Trump campaign".

Why the reluctance to accept 'yes' for an answer?

You're not saying yes, you're trying to insinuate the Papadopolous plea has nothing to do with collusion with Russia, which everyone can clearly see as the nonsense it is.

 

[Athanasius68]

You don't want to know if one of the politicians in this country committed a completely unpatriotic (and potentially illegal) act by conspiring with a hostile government?

I generally hate textese, but ... LOL.

We know for a FACT (not speculation), but fact that Mrs. Clinton turned to Russia for dirt on Trump. We know for a FACT (not speculation), but FACT that she received information from annonymous sources within Russia about Trump. We also know for a FACT (not speculation) that these annonymous sources were used, to a disputed extent, by the Obama Admin to obtain warrants on its political adversaries.

Trump? All we have is a couple of guys in the campaign who were approached by some people who told them they know somebody who knows somebody in Russia who might have dirt on Clinton.

 

[Athanasius68]

Exactly. That's exactly what we've been saying. He's an employee of the Trump campaign and he consistently and deliberately attempted to meet individuals with ties to the Russian government, to the benefit of the campaign. His lying about his actions were to cover up his role in the plot.

This means his conviction is not "meaningless on the larger issue of alleged Trump collusion", it is actually quite relevant.

Congratulations on tanking your own argument.
No, the issue is WHY he lied to the FBI and why he told them his interactions with these agents occurred before being hired to the Trump campaign, when in reality they happened after. The issue is why he only met with these people after becoming "an employee of the Trump campaign".

You're not saying yes, you're trying to insinuate the Papadopolous plea has nothing to do with collusion with Russia, which everyone can clearly see as the nonsense it is.

Except... Nothing happened. No files were sent to the Trump campaign.
And as Papadapolous said, he was approached.

 

[Slyfox696]

We know for a FACT (not speculation), but fact that Mrs. Clinton turned to Russia for dirt on Trump. We know for a FACT (not speculation), but FACT that she received information from annonymous sources within Russia about Trump. We also know for a FACT (not speculation) that these annonymous sources were used, to a disputed extent, by the Obama Admin to obtain warrants on its political adversaries.

Your facts aren't even facts. :lol:

But we're not talking about Clinton right now. If you want to investigate Clinton, go for it. A 15th investigation into Clintons would be old hat at this point.

We're talking about the investigation into Donald Trump and his campaign. Please stay on topic and refrain from red herrings.

Trump? All we have is a couple of guys in the campaign who were approached by some people who told them they know somebody who knows somebody in Russia who might have dirt on Clinton.

We have way more than that and you know it.

Except... Nothing happened.

That's just 100% false. I've already detailed multiple times in this thread thread all the things which happened between the Trump campaign and Russia officials. Also, it is very public knowledge of Russia's support for the Trump campaign.

And as Papadapolous said, he was approached.

And as Papadopolous said, he traveled all across Europe and just so happened to constantly be in the same locations as Mifsud and even Putin himself on one occasion.

Completely coincidental, I'm sure. :roll:

 

[trouble13]

It's right in the article....

"What efforts were made to reach out to Mr. Flynn about seeking immunity or possible pardon?” Mr. Mueller planned to ask, according to questions read by the special counsel investigators to the president’s lawyers, who compiled them into a list. That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team."

I find it very strange that as tight as muellers investigation has been that these questions got leaked. Has mueller confirmed or denied that these are the questions he is thinking of asking?

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