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How badly would it have ended without Britain or Russia?
Revisionist history is in people giving them more credit, and sometimes all the credit, just as you basically did.
Also, this is the most important Allied member of WORLD WAR II... not just of the European battlefield.
It wouldn't have STARTED without Britain and Russia. You think Germany planned to invade the USA in 1939??? LOL
Hitler's mistake was thinking that if he declared war on the USA the Japanese would declare war on Russia. Unlike Hitler, the Japanese were smart enough to know they already had their hands full with China, Great Britain and the USA. They never declared war on Russia, and Stalin only did when the war in the West was won so he could claim some spoils in the East.
I believe that if Hitler had not declared war, the USA would have focused only on Japan and left Europe alone. Be glad he was that stupid.
How badly would it have ended without Britain or Russia?
Um what? The war would have started if the UK didn't declare war on them and let them have Eastern Europe. World War 2 didn't start with Britain and Russia declaring war on Germany. Japan had already been at war with China for many years and Hitler wanted to be BFFs with the UK.
I'm thankful that hitler made that mistake, and also the mistake of declaring war on Russia, and also the UK being the ones to actually declare war on Germany.
So how exactly does it go without Russia and the UK?
The Eastern Front was huge. The Battle of Stalingrad was the turning point in the war with Hitler. In purely military terms, the USSR would have beat Germany alone. The contribution of the USSR was huge just in the fact that Hitler decided to declare war on the USSR. If Hitler did not declare war on the USSR and if the USSR did not fight alongside the Allies, war in Europe would have been much, much more difficult for the United States. The USSR depleted Germany's resources and manpower. I don't think the Allies could have won without the USSR.
I didn't realize it was 'revisionist' history to say that the USSR had a huge part in the Allies victory in World War 2.
That was the original comment you made that I opted to respond to.
WWII started with Britain and France declaring war on Germany after Germany refused to stop the invasion of Poland. Russia got involved when Germany invaded in 1941. Then in December of 1941, a couple of days after Pearl Harbor, the Nazi idiot declared war on the USA.
You were making a comment in opposition to the USA being the "most important ally." I was stating that the USA would not have been involved in a war in Europe at all, without a war already happening between the European Axis powers and the British and Russians.
Had Hitler not declared war on the USA he would only have been facing the UK and Russia, and at the time the Germans were doing a fairly decent job of kicking both their asses.
By declaring war on the USA he sealed his doom.
No, the war started with Germany invading Poland. The UK didn't have to declare war on Germany. In fact if they didn't, Germany would have free reign over Eastern Europe and the Jewry, Slavs and Roma therein. Hitler may still be a doddery Chancellor of Germany. So his fate was sealed when the Brits declared war on Germany. All the other options in the poll waited for declarations of war made against them.
Well?
Czechoslovakia had similar assurances, and were sold out at the conference table. A treaty goes only as far as the countries are willing to honor it. Yes, they honored it, but only because the inevitable truth had at that point become undeniable.Sorry, not quite correct:
Britain Declares War On Germany, 1939
There was a mutual assistance agreement between Britain and Poland in the event either was attacked, but it still required a declaration of war which both France and the UK did on September 3, 1939, two days after Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.
Hitler believed they would back down and not go to war over Poland. He did not want war with either, at least not then.
Your poll left out Canada which makes your poll not worth considering.
Who?
The will and character to sit out the first two years.If it were which country would have the best shot at defeating Germany one on one, I'd say the U.S.. We simply had the will, character, and resources like no one else.
He's not wrong that the USSR bled the Axis white. Remember that the USSR destroyed more Axis divisions then everyone else combined. They paid dearly for it, but if those divisions were instead fighting in Italy, Africa or Western Europe, the war would have gone very different. What likely cost Hitler the war was attacking the USSR, and especially getting bogged down during winter. If the US had to pour more resources into Europe to deal with the divisions otherwise destroyed by the USSR, the Pacific and Africa theaters would have been also quite different. In many ways, the Allies owe the millions of Russians who died wearing down the Nazis a debt of gratitude. I agree with zstep18 that the allies probably couldn't have won the war without the USSR. The damage inflicted to the Nazi was immense. But at the same time, the USSR needed US war material to do just that.
The will and character to sit out the first two years.
And that goes both ways... if Hitler wasn't dealing with Allied shipping, the British in North Africa then Italy and the Balkans or the divisions tied up waiting for the impending invasion then those could have been used against the USSR
and if Germany had attacked just a month or two earlier the USSR would have been knocked out of the war that year.[/qiuote]
Possibly. Hitler made a bad timing error there. Praise Comrade General Winter!
While the Allies PROBABLY could not have won the war without the USSR the Allies WOULD NOT have won the war with out the USA.
It's more complicated than that. Could we have won the war without Battleship England? I doubt it. We needed the USSR and the UK and they needed us.
Czechoslovakia had similar assurances, and were sold out at the conference table. A treaty goes only as far as the countries are willing to honor it. Yes, they honored it, but only because the inevitable truth had at that point become undeniable.
Unfortunately they honored it with a "phoney war." If they had simply attacked right away while the German Army was committed to Poland, instead of preparing for a WWI scenario and waiting to be attacked...the Germans would have been screwed.
Size is misleading. France didn't have the will.Absolutely... the French had the biggest army in Europe at the beginning. Along with Britain they would have kicked the German's asses.
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