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Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault, fami

Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

At least the left can't scream RACISM this time

No, it's just going to be an excuse for the right to scream "MUSLIM!"
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

It's becoming increasingly clear that any interaction with police, no matter how innocuous it seems, could end up being fatal. The only safe thing to do seems to be to avoid the police at all costs.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

No, it's just going to be an excuse for the right to scream "MUSLIM!"

You said it first
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault

One can have a gun drawn and afterwards accidentally discharge it.

Like I said before, what with the ambushes that happened, it makes sense that an officer would have his pistol drawn when someone approaches his unit. A cop sitting in his car is very vulnerable.

it doesn't matter what the scenario is. the fact is he pulled his gun when he shouldn't have and he shot when he shouldn't have.
accidental discharge is a crime.
negligent homicide is a crime as well.

this cop better get a good lawyer. he is in major trouble as he should be.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

It's becoming increasingly clear that any interaction with police, no matter how innocuous it seems, could end up being fatal. The only safe thing to do seems to be to avoid the police at all costs.

Well, that would be best.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

My guess is that he might not go to jail but there will be consequences.

I don't think he should go to jail, assuming what I believe happened is what actually happened, which is an accidental shooting. He should, however, be kicked off the force, charged with and convicted of (if evidence supports the allegations) some form of manslaughter and be placed on probation. I see no reason to throw him in prison--again, assuming it was an accident.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

What sort of training would allow an officer to witness anyone, much less a fellow officer, pull a gun and shoot someone that they were talking to without being arrested for that violent and deadly act? The nonsense that one can draw, aim and fire a gun "accidentally" if they happen to be a police officer is not likely to remain acceptable much less subject to only "internal review".

I thought we were talking about body cameras.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Good lord. No, that is the red herring.



I'm relying on the actual policy. You made all that up. A made-up "what if?" doesn't make my reading of the actual policy wrong.

No, just INCOMPLETE. Youre judging in hindsight with only partial information.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

right now?



How many of those cops are locked up or out on bail right now?

Fill us in.

:lol:

You don't put people in jail while you investigate whether a crime occurred or not. You have to charge them first.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

It's becoming increasingly clear that any interaction with police, no matter how innocuous it seems, could end up being fatal. The only safe thing to do seems to be to avoid the police at all costs.
Sad, but true.

Whenever I watch the news and they showcase police "meet-and-greets" to show the public how nice and helpful they are, all the other stuff comes back in my mind.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

A couple responses to several people who made the same or similar points...

1) "They should release what they know right now (including the two cops themselves)."

Sorry, but no. While I DO expect them to fully cooperate with an investigation... and said investigation should be absolutely legit... I do not blame either the department or the individual officers for not coming out within hours and pleading their side to the public. That's an unreasonable expectation.

If it were me I'd lawyer up and close my mouth.

I would expect something more than fluff (from the department at least) after a few days to a week, though.

2) "We should wait until all the evidence is in."

Sounds great, all fair and noble and all. Of course we'll all have forgotten about this by then and will be on the next outrage-du-jour.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

any civilian citizen in the shoes of officer Noor would have already been charged, booked, and jailed

yet again we in the US are witness to the double standard of law enforcement versus civilian citizen

this is some really pathetic bull**** ..........
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

I thought we were talking about body cameras.

I was responding to the difference in the law (public policy) and police training (or actual practice) to implement said law (public policy). My point, on which we seem to agree, is that what the police actually do may be (is?) quite different than what the letter of the law (or public policy) actually states. Simply having a law (public policy) is indeed useless if the law (public policy) is not enforced.

One key element (flaw?) of the body camera law (public policy) is that it lacks any stated penalties for officer non-compliance. Both officers in this case were "guilty" of non-compliance - neither officer chose to activate thier assigned body camera per the stated law (public policy) and yet neither is likely to (will ever?) suffer any consequence for that non-compliance.

In a case such as this there is one official story - that made avaailable by the "recolections" (official statements?) of the officer(s) present. That is precisely what the body camera law (public policy) was designed to prevent and yet, like the use of deadly force law (public policy), we are left to take those officer "recolections" (as filtered via an "internal investigation" report and statements carefully edtitted by the officer's lawyers) as the state's case. That is precisely the situation that was to be avoided by actually using these body cameras.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/1...ras-off-during-shooting-australian-woman.html
 
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Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

It's becoming increasingly clear that any interaction with police, no matter how innocuous it seems, could end up being fatal. The only safe thing to do seems to be to avoid the police at all costs.

I had recent highly emotional interaction with my hometown cops about a month ago. On a Saturday morning at 7AM, my SO came into my driveway intending to take his car...the car I had destroyed with a sidewalk ice chipper the night before... the car that was filled with trash bags of his stuff soaked with bleach and roundup. I ordered him off my property. He refused to leave. I called the cops describing a "domestic," their favorite. I was drunk from an up-all-night pity party for myself. My SO thought I would be arrested.

The PD sent four squad cars. Two eventually left. I quickly explained the situation. Told them I had a signed paper saying I could destroy his crap if he cheated again. I'd caught him the night before. Then I stepped away and let them do their thing. "Their thing" was to tell him to call a tow truck... that he wasn't driving the car anyplace or they'd impound it. He wanted his car keys. They were in the house... I said I couldn't find them. They looked at him and shrugged. He wanted his phone. I soaked it in the toilet for 45 minutes, then gave it to them to give to him. The cop just shook his head. He wanted his wallet. The cops asked for it. I brought it out and throw everything in it up in the air and scattered it across the property. Told him to get down in the grass where snakes,belonged and pick it up himself.

I called him every name in the book, as they say, at the top of my lungs. The cops finally asked my cousin to try to get me in the house. I went, but snuck out on the porch a half dozen times to continue calling him every name I'd ever heard of. The cops never addressed me. Never confronted me. They just stood there and supervised my SO getting his **** off my property.

Why am I telling you this? Because I could have just as easily been confronted by the cops. I could have been arrested. I was drunk and out of control. I was also emotionally destroyed. THAT was what they responded to. When the tow truck finally arrived, the cops told him if he returned and I called the cops, they would arrest him if they caught him on my property.

I picked up the police report a few days later and apologized to the cops. The police report said "no alcohol involved" and that my SO agreed he'd signed a paper saying I could destroy his stuff. (That last part is true.) They are my heroes -- the same way I've viewed cops my entire life.

As a PS, four days later, the same cops supervised his getting the rest of his crap, toured the house with him and my cousin as she let him make sure he had all the stuff he wanted, witnessed his signature as he signed receipt of same and told him if he ever returned he'd be arrested.

No shots fired. No guns drawn. (I have a concealed carry, btw.)

99.9% of cops are filled with awesome.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

I had recent highly emotional interaction with my hometown cops about a month ago. On a Saturday morning at 7AM, my SO came into my driveway intending to take his car...the car I had destroyed with a sidewalk ice chipper the night before... the car that was filled with trash bags of his stuff soaked with bleach and roundup. I ordered him off my property. He refused to leave. I called the cops describing a "domestic," their favorite. I was drunk from an up-all-night pity party for myself. My SO thought I would be arrested.

The PD sent four squad cars. Two eventually left. I quickly explained the situation. Told them I had a signed paper saying I could destroy his crap if he cheated again. I'd caught him the night before. Then I stepped away and let them do their thing. "Their thing" was to tell him to call a tow truck... that he wasn't driving the car anyplace or they'd impound it. He wanted his car keys. They were in the house... I said I couldn't find them. They looked at him and shrugged. He wanted his phone. I soaked it in the toilet for 45 minutes, then gave it to them to give to him. The cop just shook his head. He wanted his wallet. The cops asked for it. I brought it out and throw everything in it up in the air and scattered it across the property. Told him to get down in the grass where snakes,belonged and pick it up himself.

I called him every name in the book, as they say, at the top of my lungs. The cops finally asked my cousin to try to get me in the house. I went, but snuck out on the porch a half dozen times to continue calling him every name I'd ever heard of. The cops never addressed me. Never confronted me. They just stood there and supervised my SO getting his **** off my property.

Why am I telling you this? Because I could have just as easily been confronted by the cops. I could have been arrested. I was drunk and out of control. I was also emotionally destroyed. THAT was what they responded to. When the tow truck finally arrived, the cops told him if he returned and I called the cops, they would arrest him if they caught him on my property.

I picked up the police report a few days later and apologized to the cops. The police report said "no alcohol involved" and that my SO agreed he'd signed a paper saying I could destroy his stuff. (That last part is true.) They are my heroes -- the same way I've viewed cops my entire life.

As a PS, four days later, the same cops supervised his getting the rest of his crap, toured the house with him and my cousin as she let him make sure he had all the stuff he wanted, witnessed his signature as he signed receipt of same and told him if he ever returned he'd be arrested.

No shots fired. No guns drawn. (I have a concealed carry, btw.)

99.9% of cops are filled with awesome.
Then one would think it'd be easy for them to NOT blindly defend the 0.1% who are assholes and make their own lives that much harder.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

I had recent highly emotional interaction with my hometown cops about a month ago. On a Saturday morning at 7AM, my SO came into my driveway intending to take his car...the car I had destroyed with a sidewalk ice chipper the night before... the car that was filled with trash bags of his stuff soaked with bleach and roundup. I ordered him off my property. He refused to leave. I called the cops describing a "domestic," their favorite. I was drunk from an up-all-night pity party for myself. My SO thought I would be arrested.

The PD sent four squad cars. Two eventually left. I quickly explained the situation. Told them I had a signed paper saying I could destroy his crap if he cheated again. I'd caught him the night before. Then I stepped away and let them do their thing. "Their thing" was to tell him to call a tow truck... that he wasn't driving the car anyplace or they'd impound it. He wanted his car keys. They were in the house... I said I couldn't find them. They looked at him and shrugged. He wanted his phone. I soaked it in the toilet for 45 minutes, then gave it to them to give to him. The cop just shook his head. He wanted his wallet. The cops asked for it. I brought it out and throw everything in it up in the air and scattered it across the property. Told him to get down in the grass where snakes,belonged and pick it up himself.

I called him every name in the book, as they say, at the top of my lungs. The cops finally asked my cousin to try to get me in the house. I went, but snuck out on the porch a half dozen times to continue calling him every name I'd ever heard of. The cops never addressed me. Never confronted me. They just stood there and supervised my SO getting his **** off my property.

Why am I telling you this? Because I could have just as easily been confronted by the cops. I could have been arrested. I was drunk and out of control. I was also emotionally destroyed. THAT was what they responded to. When the tow truck finally arrived, the cops told him if he returned and I called the cops, they would arrest him if they caught him on my property.

I picked up the police report a few days later and apologized to the cops. The police report said "no alcohol involved" and that my SO agreed he'd signed a paper saying I could destroy his stuff. (That last part is true.) They are my heroes -- the same way I've viewed cops my entire life.

As a PS, four days later, the same cops supervised his getting the rest of his crap, toured the house with him and my cousin as she let him make sure he had all the stuff he wanted, witnessed his signature as he signed receipt of same and told him if he ever returned he'd be arrested.

No shots fired. No guns drawn. (I have a concealed carry, btw.)

99.9% of cops are filled with awesome.

Sorry you're still going through that mess with Tom, Mags. :(
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

What makes you think that she was in[/U] the police car?The news hasn't said that.

Fill us in.

I didn't mean SHE was in the car -- the officers were in their car.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

She was from Australia.

That's an immigrant.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Then one would think it'd be easy for them to NOT blindly defend the 0.1% who are assholes and make their own lives that much harder.

It's very clearly a systemic problem, not just a few assholes.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Then one would think it'd be easy for them to NOT blindly defend the 0.1% who are assholes and make their own lives that much harder.
To this point...who do you see defending this cop? And for that matter and along the same lines...how would anyone make a judgement either for or against on a situation they know absolutely noting about?
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Sorry you're still going through that mess with Tom, Mags. :(

I'm not, Governess. He's out of my life. I'm just so grateful to the coppers for how they handled my once in a lifetime out of body experience... otherwise, I could have crossed "spent a night in jail" off my bucket list. :lamo
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

To this point...who do you see defending this cop? And for that matter and along the same lines...how would anyone make a judgement either for or against on a situation they know absolutely noting about?
It was a generic point to Maggie's ending generic point that 99.9% of cops are awesome.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Then one would think it'd be easy for them to NOT blindly defend the 0.1% who are assholes and make their own lives that much harder.

I doubt waiting until more facts are in deserves being called "blindly defending." They will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt from me...
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

I'm not, Governess. He's out of my life. I'm just so grateful to the coppers for how they handled my once in a lifetime out of body experience... otherwise, I could have crossed "spent a night in jail" off my bucket list. :lamo

That's good, then. :applaud
 
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