Min wage would be $44.00hr if it grew at same rate as Wall St bonuses

[ttwtt78640]

I did not promote anyone who sees deporting immigrants as essential.

See posts #25 and #55.

 

[Bullseye]

Then maybe it's time some of these agreements should be reexamined.

Employees are a revenue center, not a cost center. Underpaying them is counterproductive at best.

So is overpaying them.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Do you realize how idiotic this post is? Throwing insults at me make you feel better?

So is overpaying them.

Which would you say is a bigger problem?

 

[Cameron]

Who said they don't?
Until the work force puts up the capital, takes the risk, and comes up with the innovation that provides labor their jobs, your point is moot.

The person I was responding to said they don’t.

Regarding mootness I disagree. You could just as easily say that until the people putting up the capital and innovation put in the labor to effectuate their ideas, your point is moot. Both sides of the coin are equally necessary in many of not most situations.

 

[AGENT J]

I noodled over the idea that (at least for publicly traded companies) there should be a formula. The CEO can only make XX more than the lowest paid worker in the company. The President's wage can only rise if the low guy's wage rises too.

Hmmm THIS is actually an interesting concept . . i dont know if it I would make it as you say but a ratio over the whole comapany might be something Id support if done properly . . . .I NEVER could convince myself to support a cap so I was never able to come up with a solution but a ratio might be something very nice . . this way all the profit still goes into the company as with a hard cap I was sure where the money would go . . . .

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

See posts #25 and #55.

And? Where do I promote anyone who sees deporting immigrants as essential?

 

[ttwtt78640]

And? Where do I promote anyone who sees deporting immigrants as essential?

You must not be very familiar with your hero César Estrada Chávez.

Chavez increasingly blamed the failure of the UFW strike on illegal immigrants who were brought in as strikebreakers. He made the unsubstantiated claim that the CIA was involved in part of a conspiracy to bring illegal migrants into the country so that they could undermine his union. He launched the "Illegals Campaign" to identify illegal migrants so that they could be deported, appointing Liza Hirsch to oversee the campaign. In Chavez's view, "if we can get the illegals out of California, we will win the strike overnight." This was a reiteration of an early view he expressed concerning the problems the UFW boycott faced in 1972; Chavez believed that illegal labor could undermine any strike undertaken by agricultural workers could be undermined by "wetbacks" and "illegal immigrants". Huerta urged him not to refer to migrants who had come to the U.S. illegally as "illegals" but Chavez refused, stating: "a spade's a spade." Some UFW field offices refused to collaborate with the campaign, and the National Lawyers Guild (NLG) refused to allow its interns to work on it, at which Chavez cut the UFW's links with the NLG.

Cesar Chavez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

You must not be very familiar with your hero César Estrada Chávez.

Cesar Chavez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You cited Wikipedia? Anyone can edit Wikipedia. Dont leave out what he accomplished. Even if scabs broke rank, Chavez broke the owners and secured higher wages for farmworkers. The owners, people who thought like you, were never going to pay higher wages. They used to charge workers for water. You would of fit right in.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You cited Wikipedia? Anyone can edit Wikipedia.

In fairness, their staff is pretty damn quick to nuke edits.

I know this, because they followed me around for AGES deleting my shit, until they banned me. Just for saying that Cal Coolidge ended his life as a one-legged rent boy.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

In fairness, their staff is pretty damn quick to nuke edits.

I know this, because they followed me around for AGES deleting my shit, until they banned me. Just for saying that Cal Coolidge ended his life as a one-legged rent boy.

Their write-up on Chavez does look comprehensive. Except the UFW strike didn't fail in the end. It took years, but Chavez succeeded.

 

[washunut]

Hmmm THIS is actually an interesting concept . . i dont know if it I would make it as you say but a ratio over the whole comapany might be something Id support if done properly . . . .I NEVER could convince myself to support a cap so I was never able to come up with a solution but a ratio might be something very nice . . this way all the profit still goes into the company as with a hard cap I was sure where the money would go . . . .

Let's remember that a majority of most CEO's salary is at risk. Either they have to hit targets or they are paid with company stock. Most workers could not afford nor would want to have a significant amount of his/her wages at risk.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

You must not be very familiar with your hero César Estrada Chávez.

Cesar Chavez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In fairness, I didn't know that Chavez accused border patrol of allowing illegal immigrants Into the U.S.. Apparently, Chavez thought they were being let in on purpose to break the strike. I admired Chavez for his efforts that were instrumental in passing the nation's first farm labor act in California. It legalized collective bargaining and gave farmworkers rights and raised their wages. That's why I cited Chavez.

 

[less right]

Hmmm THIS is actually an interesting concept . . i dont know if it I would make it as you say but a ratio over the whole comapany might be something Id support if done properly . . . .I NEVER could convince myself to support a cap so I was never able to come up with a solution but a ratio might be something very nice . . this way all the profit still goes into the company as with a hard cap I was sure where the money would go . . . .

It might actually have the effect of a rising tide raising all the boats.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

Their write-up on Chavez does look comprehensive. Except the UFW strike didn't fail in the end. It took years, but Chavez succeeded.

Correction: the strike failed.... The boycott succeeded.

 

[Court Jester]

Just say " let them eat cake" and be done with it. The disparity between the poor and the rich is getting wider everyday.

Just because rich get richer, doesn't mean poor deserve more money. Everybody has to EARN what they are paid, and nobody with the education level of a retarded chimpananzee deserves more than a few bucks per hour for washing cars or mowing lawns. Any skill set which is NOT a skill, and ANYONE can do; why would that person deserve more money for that?

The reality is, nothing gets done without everyone doing their part. The arrogance of owners and upper management to believe they would be where they are without all those low level cogs is astounding.

Supply and demand. When the cogs can be replaced in a heartbeat with people willing to do the job for less money, then no reason to pay anyone more. In fact, if you libs were so concerned about low wages, you wouldn't be standing by for the current open border policy. All those illegals pouring in, they are willing to wash the cars, clean the toilets, and flip those burgers you THINK people deserve more money for doing. And they will do it for any low amount of money you would pay them.

 

[KLATTU]

A minimum wage post by a lefty, using an irrelevant metric because they are clueless about basic economic realities ( ie why they get paid what they get paid).
Must be a day ending in Y.

 

[Razoo]

that's interesting.

When folks think that burger workers and waiters/waitresses should not be paid $17.50 per hour that is astounding considering $17.50 per hour @ 40 hours per week is only $33,000 per year which is not much money.

Mowing correctly and edging correctly then cleaning up is not a skill set? Try doing 40 yards a week per person. Then come back and tell those workers that is not a lot of work...... ignorance is bliss. Throw in some weeding the beds instead of using toxic chemicals. Add pruning the shrubs
to a customers expectation. Is this a lot more work? Yes this is worth $100,000 a year.

 

[KLATTU]

When folks think that burger workers and waiters/waitresses should not be paid $17.50 per hour that is astounding considering $17.50 per hour @ 40 hours per week is only $33,000 per year which is not much money.

good . Open up your own fast food place and pay your workers those kind of wages. Let us know how long you last.
Facts of life- >conservative.

 

[Fletch]

I'm saying wages should not remain stagnant for years at a time while profits go up.

Who cares what you think. If you want to pay the unskilled, uneducated and inexperienced more than minimum, open a business and do it. There is zero reason for wages to rise for those that bring no skills to the table.

 

[Fletch]

Apparently nothing if you're a Republican.

And what have you done about it?

 

[Allan]

False equivalency, we have no economic or practical reason to link minimum wage to nebulous “Wall Street bonuses.”

Good point. No reason to link it to basketball player salaries or other unrelated professions either. Minimum wages should be high enough that a person can live on it without taxpayer funded programs - make corporations, not taxpayers, foot the bill for their own labor. It should also be indexed to inflation so that they don't fall behind.

 

[Razoo]

When folks think that burger workers and waiters/waitresses should not be paid $17.50 per hour that is astounding considering $17.50 per hour @ 40 hours per week is only $33,000 per year which is not much money.

Mowing correctly and edging correctly then cleaning up is not a skill set? Try doing 40 yards a week per person. Then come back and tell those workers that is not a lot of work...... ignorance is bliss. Throw in some weeding the beds instead of using toxic chemicals. Add pruning the shrubs
to a customers expectation. Is this a lot more work? Yes this is worth $100,000 a year.

What else needs to be said .....

The boss who put everyone on 70K

A tech boss introduced a $70,000 minimum salary for all his staff - by cutting his own wages. Five years, on he has no regrets.

www.bbc.com

This boss then knows exactly what is going out in wages every payday no matter what = smart management.

 

[Fletch]

Walmart and Amazon regularly pay OSHA fines rather than have safe working conditions. Being a human being willing to make them money ought to be worth more of a paycheck. The people working there now are being worked into overuse injuries on a regular basis and are dodging their responsibilities for having conditions that create those long term debilitating injuries. Further, once anyone has worked there a certain length of time, they aren't unskilled, they know the routines, they know the automation, how to handle unknown issues, etc etc.

Your problem is you don't have any ****ing respect for your fellow Americans doing crappy jobs for crappier pay so you can get whatever you need via retail.

People expect more pay because they can see how much product they are processing and how much money is being made that they help to process, without those people the business does not exist.

If whining was a skill youd be a CEO instead of a greeter at Walmart.

 

[Razoo]

There are a lot of Supply Side Wreckanomic thinkers that are anti economic growth at all levels which spells stagnant economy long term .

$44 per hour spells smart economic growth across the entire USA.

 

[poweRob]

You’re choking on 2% in 2021 versus 2.3% to 2.7% four years ago.

Had you said "around 2%" you would've had wiggle room but no... you said "less than 2%". Words matter. It's the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie and you opted for the latter as you too often do. You could man up and admit you were wrong but we both know that ain't gonna happen so you go ahead and double down on lying. It's the way of the trumpettes.

My number comes from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

As do mine had you bothered to click on the link.