Military protocol question

[vegas giants]

You should have told President Lincoln about that. I'm sure he would have wanted to know.



I'm thinking election fraud falls smack dab in the middle of Section 253.

False claims of election fraud do not. No general is going to obey this order when no.judge in the country has confirmed election fraud.


0.0% chance

 

[Mycroft]

As is yours. There is a 0.0% chance the military will involve themselves in this election

I haven't engaged in speculation. Hell, I have said anything about whether the military will involve themselves or not. I've only spoken about whether they will follow lawful orders or not.

 

[iliveonramen]

The President would have to give any such orders to the military via the Joint Chiefs. The chances are that they would let Trump know right away what he can and can't do, and this is something they would very likely tell him would have to go through Congress or SCOTUS, as it involves a domestic issue.

Joint Chiefs of Staff - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is what would happen. Any order like that would be stopped dead in its tracks at the top.

 

[vegas giants]

I haven't engaged in speculation. Hell, I have said anything about whether the military will involve themselves or not. I've only spoken about whether they will follow lawful orders or not.

You have said they will follow orders based on the insurrection act.

In this case there is a 0.0% chance of them following such orders

 

[roguenuke]

You are correct about the JCS. You are speculating about what they would "very likely tell him".

I know that the JCS are very aware of the Posse Comitatus Act and the provisions that allow a President to use the Insurrection Act. Suspecting voter fraud is not one of them.

 

[rahl]

You should have told President Lincoln about that. I'm sure he would have wanted to know.



I'm thinking election fraud falls smack dab in the middle of Section 253.

which is a reflection of your thinking ability, or rather your deficiencies in thinking. That does not apply to a legal election. There is nothing, at all, that trump can do. He can not invoke martial law. He can not use the insurrection act.

 

[phoenix2020]

I'm thinking election fraud falls smack dab in the middle of Section 253.

I'm with you on this. 2022 electoral fraud clearly falls under the quoted section and President Biden should have the authority to intercede to defend the rights of citizens against their deep-state... states who disenfranchise them of their constitutional rights. I'm not sure why others posters don't agree with you and I on this but I guess we'll see what the JCS ultimately decides.

 

[VanceMack]

How many times will you 'people' allow yourself to get ****ed by the media with these stupid stories before you realize what they are doing to you?

Or do you just like it?

 

[Mycroft]

You have said they will follow orders based on the insurrection act.

In this case there is a 0.0% chance of them following such orders

I didn't say they "will" do anything. This is what I said: " They must look at whether the order is lawful or not. "

 

[vegas giants]

I didn't say they "will" do anything. This is what I said: " They must look at whether the order is lawful or not. "

Then what I am saying is such a order would be unlawful

 

[Praxas]

The military is required to obey lawful orders.

Whether the Officer/Soldier agrees with the order or not is irrelevant. They must look at whether the order is lawful or not.

Now...even though you don't mention it in your post, we know you are referring to Trump possibly using the Insurrection Act to take control of the voting machines, all records and data that relate to the election in all 50 states and conducting an in-depth investigation into possible voter fraud. This has nothing to do with "the peaceful transfer of power" (regardless your claims of "obvious intention") and it is perfectly legal and within the constraints of the law AND the Constitution.

Therefore, Officers/Soldiers MUST follow the orders given.

Trump declaring martial law because he lost an election is an example of an UNLAWFUL order. Maybe Trump and his band of crybabies should deal with reality.

 

[Mycroft]

Then what I am saying is such a order would be unlawful

Any Officer/Soldier taking YOUR word for it would be making a big mistake.

 

[Rexedgar]

How many times will you 'people' allow yourself to get ****ed by the media with these stupid stories before you realize what they are doing to you?

Or do you just like it?

Calls for martial law and US military oversight of new presidential election draws criticism

Former military leaders calling for troops to oversee a presidential vote recount under martial law raised alarms for constitutional scholars and military-civilian experts.

www.militarytimes.com

Flynn was reported to be at the White House on Friday, you think he didn’t bring it up? Mycroft is already doing your heavy lifting across multiple threads........

 

[Praxas]

Any Officer/Soldier taking YOUR word for it would be making a big mistake.

Says the person who believes in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about the election and instead lies all the time about it. Mycroft's advice should automatically be flushed down the toilet.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Ah, I thought the OP was referring to the 2022 election. Since I have declared that any conservatives who win congressional seats in 2022 did so only through means of extensive fraud, and we all clearly agree on that because it was simply stated as a fact up front, I figure the OP wanted to make sure that then-President Biden in 2022 can use the Insurrection Act to take control of all voting machines, records and data related to the 2022 election and be able to conduct an in-depth investigation into possible (let's face it--likely) voter fraud. I'm glad that we're all of like mind that it will be OK for him to do so.

If Trump managed to pull all that off, just how long do you suppose it would take? To analyze thousands of voting machines and millions of ballots and all the associated data. Possibly a year or years. The U.S. constitution says there will be a new president on Jan. 20th. And Trump ain't it.

Most people see right through this kind of sh**. If Trump tried it, it would only be to postpone the inauguration and keep himself in power. Being the EC has already voted (And all voted with the popular vote), and the fact that Trump has already lost near 60 election suits, I would say it would be an UNLAWFULL order made by a psychotic maniac who is incapable of accepting a loss.

Trump has once again petitioned the SCOTUS to throw out the election in PA. How do you suppose they will rule on this latest one? It will be dismissed, guaranteed.

 

[vegas giants]

Any Officer/Soldier taking YOUR word for it would be making a big mistake.

Wrong. Any general who acted on this order would face courts martial

 

[VanceMack]

Calls for martial law and US military oversight of new presidential election draws criticism

Former military leaders calling for troops to oversee a presidential vote recount under martial law raised alarms for constitutional scholars and military-civilian experts.

www.militarytimes.com

Flynn was reported to be at the White House on Friday, you think he didn’t bring it up? Mycroft is already doing your heavy lifting across multiple threads........

And how many times have you 'people' fallen for this same kind of bullshit story?

 

[vegas giants]

And how many times have you 'people' fallen for this same kind of bullshit story?

Prove its BS. You make a bunch of false claims. The source is reliable

 

[Rexedgar]

And how many times have you 'people' fallen for this same kind of bullshit story?

What’s ‘people’ like me?

Answer the question?

You backed the wrong horse, man up!

 

[CaughtInThe]

civilians that shoot even a bullet in defense of Trump's attempted coup will be terrorists.

military that do the same will be traitors and court marshalled.




some civilians might try. the military won't (except maybe some retired nut jobs).

 

[Jredbaron96]

I'm thinking election fraud falls smack dab in the middle of Section 253.

It doesn't. Violation of election law falls to law enforcement, not the military.

 

[SimpleTom]

And how many times have you 'people' fallen for this same kind of bullshit story?

Which is more likely, (1) that the village idiot with a history of saying stupid crap actually said something stupid or (2) multiple sources that have reason to know what was said made up the village idiot saying something stupid?

You are giving far too much credit to Captain Drink Bleach.

 

[VanceMack]

Which is more likely, (1) that the village idiot with a history of saying stupid crap actually said something stupid or (2) multiple sources that have reason to know what was said made up the village idiot saying something stupid?

You are giving far too much credit to Captain Drink Bleach.

What is more likely is that simple minded 'people' that are filled with mindless hatred will be lead around by their noses like pathetic fuicking muppets and fall for every single false story and fake news bullshit story they have been spooon fed for the last 4-5 years.

 

[VanceMack]

What’s ‘people’ like me?

Answer the question?

You backed the wrong horse, man up!

I didnt 'back' anyone...but I DID state wquite clearly the fact that 'people' like you have been willingly and eagerly used and manipulated by the media and the rat party for the last 4-5 years. Its ****ing embarrassing...but at the same time...comical...watching you 'people' do your dance on command.

 

[prometeus]

What is more likely is that simple minded 'people' that are filled with mindless hatred will be lead around by their noses like pathetic fuicking muppets and fall for every single false story and fake news bullshit story they have been spooon fed for the last 4-5 years.

You certainly speak from experience. Had enough of Trump yet?