Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

[NolanVoyd]

Nor argument with that, the argument that I have is the over hyping, far more so than is reasonable or reasoned.

Hard to over hype something so damning.

People need to be fired. Gabbard and a couple of others need to be charges with perjury for lying to congress.

This is serious stuff and needs to be treated as such.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Nope.

The Trump administration is, right now, engaged in finding out how a contact in the Signal app had one person's name...and Goldberg's number...and finding out who put that manipulated contact in Waltz's computer.

Because it just has to be a multi tiered next level 4D chess conspiracy and not just mindmother****ing numbing incompetency.

 

[Pound4abrown]

They used Signal because they are lazy, incompetent, or don’t know or care about established protocols for secure communications (or all of those.)

Consequently, when what those protocols are supposed to do aren’t used, a failure occurs and someone takes the blame. However, that person knows nothing will happen because nobody will charge them and if they miraculously got charged, the Fascist In Chief would pardon them. So, there is no incentive to following established protocols.

But why were they sharing highly sensitive information over a private messaging app rather than using secure channels? The most likely explanation is that they wanted to evade accountability: texts between government officials are supposed to remain part of the record, while Signal texts can be and in this case were set to disappear. As Phillips O’Brien notes, war planning aside, what the group chat reveals is top officials’ contempt for and hostility toward Europe; some of them opposed an operation against the Houthis because clearing the shipping lanes might help our (erstwhile?) allies.

So the disaster reflected both stupidity and bad intentions. And the same is true of other ongoing disasters, including the shockingly rapid collapse of the Social Security Administration.

Agree for the most part, but I think what you are missing in this assessment is the arrogance and hubris of these morose mother****ers. I sure hope they don't get good Americans killed with their Busch league bullshit.

 

[Mycroft]

Well when you can't counter the comedian's comments, I guess the next best thing is to pretend it doesn't matter.

The blathering of a comedian really doesn't matter.

 

[LouC]

Colbert can **** off and nobody would care.

Not true, but I know MAGATS et al would love it were it true, but that is only because Colbert was spot on.

 

[Mycroft]

Because it just has to be a multi tiered next level 4D chess conspiracy and not just mindmother****ing numbing incompetency.

Nah...

It's nothing like that. It's just typical deep state shit.

 

[Pound4abrown]

LOL. Taking responsibility apparently means blaming some anonymous person they haven't found.

or doesn't exist. Walz already poo-poo'd the idea of a staffer doing in during that blistering Ingraham interview.

 

[eohrnberger]

Hard to over hype something so damning.

. . . and there's the over hyping.

We are, after all, talking about a simple keyboard error which included the journalist, when it shouldn't have, right?

Before you go and call the Signal application insecure, make sure you know enough about it, eh?
And I'm not talking about an assessment of the application from 8 years ago. How about a current one.

From my background and knowledge about the app, communication no the app is secure.
The data is never stored in transit or on any servers, and is military grade encrypted payload.
You're not going to get much better than that.

People need to be fired. Gabbard

Has the left ever been in favor of this former Democrat congressman being in the cabinet?
This just another run at preventing her from being in that cabinet position.

and a couple of others need to be charges with perjury for lying to congress.

Let me know when they start any of that.

National Intelligence Director Apologizes for Lying to Congress​

Dir. Clapper says a response to the Intelligence Committee in March was 'clearly erroneous.'​

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...nce-director-apologizes-for-lying-to-congress​

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Did John Brennan Perjure Himself Over Steele Dossier? | Law & Crime

A man once identified as “the most talented liar in Washington” may be prosecuted for perjury before Nunes inquiry into ObamaGate is finished.

lawandcrime.com

This is serious stuff and needs to be treated as such.

 

[LouC]

He hasn't even been suspended.


• This is the most inept and corrupt Presidency in the history of the US.
• Dear Leader cares more about total loyalty than competence.
• Instead of doing the right thing, taking responsibility, and taking action, they chose to circle the wagons and... attack the journalist. Who Waltz invited to the group. By accident.

Of course, Waltz may wind up getting sidelined and quitting in a few weeks, because he gave Dear Leader a black eye. But they already committed to the Bart Simpson defense, so don't expect any actual consequences for any of the people who screwed up and compromised US security.

Yeah, Trump 101, never ever admit to a mistake, blame others and ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!

Wonder when KING Trump's DoJ will be preferring Charges against Jeffrey Goldberg for espionage?

 

[NolanVoyd]

. . . and there's the over hyping.

We are, after all, talking about a simple keyboard error which included the journalist, when it shouldn't have, right?

Hard to overhype the fact that it was against policy too discuss this stuff on their in the first place, they were so careless that they included a reporter with no security clearance, and then they lied to Congress about it.

I'm not even giving your whataboutism the time of day.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Someone in the government installed the app on his device...just like with Ratcliffe, who said the app was installed on his device by a CIA employee.

BS! You don't know that. Even if that were true, it doesn't explain how he got onto his contact list if he had never called or contacted him. If there were anyone in that group that you think would know better than to use an unsecure app to transmit such sensitive military info, the kind of info that could have gotten US military personnel killed, you would think it would be Ratcliffe. But apparently, the stupidity in this administration is contagious.

 

[LouC]

The Trump Administration has got to be the most DEI like group of individuals ever assembled.

It's just that there's only three criteria for "inclusion". You have to blow Donald Trump, you have to be white and you have to hate on non-white people.

You forgot criteria Number 4, "Kiss King Trump's ample orange ass!"

 

[Cordelier]

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to The Atlantic’s editor in chief.

www.theatlantic.com

I wish he'd focus more on OpSec and less on Triple sec.

 

[Jason Warfield]

You didn't read the entire article, did you?

The bulletin warned of Russian professional hacking groups employing phishing scams to gain access to encrypted conversations, bypassing the end-to-end encryption the application uses.​

Phishing scams are very common and everyone...whether they are in the government or not...should be aware and not become a victim of the scam. That is what the memo is about.

And Signal points out that their app is not any more susceptible to phishing than any other app.

Signal responded to the bulletin in a social media post Tuesday, saying the NSA's "memo used the term 'vulnerability' in relation to Signal-but it had nothing to do with Signal's core tech. It was warning against phishing scams targeting Signal users."​

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"Phishing isn't new, and it's not a flaw in our encryption or any of Signal's underlying technology," the company said. "Phishing attacks are a constant threat for popular apps and websites."​

Ok, let's take a moment and think this through.

Signal is pointing out that their core technology is safe....as long as the users who are on the end-to-end encryption are who they say they are and are not a compromised account via phishing. Do you see why the NSA warned against using this? And why they advised to use it only for non-classified material (not for classified as some seem to suggest). And if you believe that the information leaked to the reporter, that begs the question as to why anyone would consider an up-coming military strike of any kind as "unclassified"!?!?!? That's just sloppy operational security and Hegseth should have his head handed to him.

On a side note, Signal also only works if you bother to make sure you have the right people on the communication thread.

Additional note about using Signal, it is an open source program....why would you use that in a professional capacity when you already have secured and encryption programs and equipment in place!?!?!

 

[poweRob]

These guys look worse and worse.

Waltz struggles to explain what happened but he has Elmo looking into it...



Later in the interview he suggests Goldberg might have hacked into the text group....



The most clueless person might still be Donald Trump who at first knew nothing about this, even after the Atlantic story was being widely reported, and now thinks it was a phone call...

Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

Trump adviser says he can’t explain how Atlantic editor Jeffrey Goldberg’s number was included in the group chat

www.theguardian.com

I always like when people say they take full responsibility for something and nothing happens to them. Going all the way back to the Reagan and the Arms for Hostages scandal.

 

[Mycroft]

Ok, let's take a moment and think this through.

Signal is pointing out that their core technology is safe....as long as the users who are on the end-to-end encryption are who they say they are and are not a compromised account via phishing. Do you see why the NSA warned against using this?

Yes.

And why they advised to use it only for non-classified material (not for classified as some seem to suggest).

Sure.

And if you believe that the information leaked to the reporter, that begs the question as to why anyone would consider an up-coming military strike of any kind as "unclassified"!?!?!?

Shrug...

I'll leave it up to the people involved to determine if something is classified or not.

That's just sloppy operational security and Hegseth should have his head handed to him.

You are welcome to your opinion.

On a side note, Signal also only works if you bother to make sure you have the right people on the communication thread.

Not so. Even if someone who shouldn't be in the chat isn't supposed to be in the chat, Signal is working as it should.

Additional note about using Signal, it is an open source program....why would you use that in a professional capacity when you already have secured and encryption programs and equipment in place!?!?!

Again, you are welcome to your opinion.

 

[poweRob]

Yes.


Sure.


Shrug...

I'll leave it up to the people involved to determine if something is classified or not.


You are welcome to your opinion.


Not so. Even if someone who shouldn't be in the chat isn't supposed to be in the chat, Signal is working as it should.


Again, you are welcome to your opinion.

All these excuses from the same people.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Who is going to take responsibility for using Signal for official government communications to begin with?

CISA? Whomever was in charge of that in 2024?

 

[eohrnberger]

Hard to overhype the fact that it was against policy too discuss this stuff on their in the first place,

. . . and I'm going to let all that sort itself out, rather than sky is falling, running around with hair on fire, for no other purposes than being used as a hyper partisan political attack.

they were so careless that they included a reporter with no security clearance,

Yes, that was very careless of them. That it wasn't was never an argument from me.

and then they lied to Congress about it.

This yet to be determined.

I'm not even giving your whataboutism the time of day.

Of course not. But equal application of the law is all about what you are wrongly calling 'whataboutism'.

 

[Bodecea]

Or perhaps the NSA should be having a heart to heart talk with the person who put that number in his app.

Pete drunk dialing.

 

[NolanVoyd]

. . . and I'm going to let all that sort itself out, rather than sky is falling, running around with hair on fire, for no other purposes than being used as a hyper partisan political attack.

Which is exactly what you said about Hillary Clinton's situation........oh wait.

Yes, that was very careless of them. That it wasn't was never an argument from me.


This yet to be determined.

No, the texts have in fact been released. GABBARD and a few others did in fact lie to Congress.

There is zero doubt about that.

 

[Bodecea]

He said so. Besides, he doesn't have any reason to do it.

 

[Bodecea]

Indeed.
The Dems are going to deploy their MSM propagandists and over hype and over play all this, because they are down in the polls and they know it.
Their sheeple with buy into all that without questioning.
And they have the gall to turn right around projecting this cult-like sheeple compliance onto their political opponents who don't even come close to doing the same thing.

Yeah, quite a 'circus', isn't it?

 

[Bodecea]

Oh? Prove it.

Ok, now THAT's funny!

 

[eohrnberger]

Which is exactly what you said about Hillary Clinton's situation........oh wait.

No, the texts have in fact been released. GABBARD and a few others did in fact lie to Congress.

I don't know what Gabbard or the others stated to congress today, so I can't judge if they did, or more likely didn't, lie to congress or not.
We'll have to see how that develops further.

There is zero doubt about that.

I'm sure that if Gabbard or the others stated to congress today that the sky was blue, and some left leaning pundit claimed it wasn't so, you'd be accusing them of the same thing.