Mike Pence’s publisher refuses to cancel memoir after staff protest

[Dayton3]

Why are people so intent on demonizing Pence just because he served under and supported President Trump?

 

[Allan]

Why are people so intent on demonizing Pence just because he served under and supported President Trump?

A lot of people don't like Pence simply for his character, detached from any support he gave Trump.

 

[Dayton3]

A lot of people don't like Pence simply for his character, detached from any support he gave Trump.

Just because he wanted to convert homosexuals? Some of us see that as a good thing overall.

 

[Fishking]

The publisher can hardly do that without appearing quite hypocritical don't you think?

Nope...it would be like running a health center that helps people design healthy diets and there being a bunch of employees that are telling people to eat bacon for every meal. Their ideology and actions are antithetical to what you're doing.

Have you not read this thread? Everyone on the left here is backing the publisher's position.

Those that are commenting here may say one thing but there are plenty of progressives, that company included, that say another. This isn't an isolated incident and it's the same thing that is happening across nearly all tech platforms.

 

[Cork]

You're missing the issue. It's not about the consumer, but about the employees of the publisher and the publisher. The employees don't want to contribute to Pence, which has some principle. You didn't answer the question: do you have any standards for who they publish?

If the employees feel that strongly about it just quit and find another job.

Nope I support the company will to do what the company wants to do. Just like I support twitter doing what they want to do with their accounts.

Do you feel morally obligated to object pence because of him as a person? Is this a political view you have or do hold the same standards to serial killers who have tell all books?

 

[lurchadams]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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It's so sad that people like Pence, who were not only complicit but who promoted the trump criminal enterprise can now profit from their evil and incompetence. I hope Pence suffers a personal tragedy soon... he Manfort, Stone, Barr, DeVos, Minucin, and the rest of them. **** them all and I hope they die painfully!

 

[holbritter]

But we should force someone to publish it?

Nope, that's up to the Publishing company. Not the individual employees. They can feel free to find another job.

 

[Craig234]

If the employees feel that strongly about it just quit and find another job.

Nope I support the company will to do what the company wants to do. Just like I support twitter doing what they want to do with their accounts.

Do you feel morally obligated to object pence because of him as a person? Is this a political view you have or do hold the same standards to serial killers who have tell all books?

Another poster who ignores the question. So you have no standards, you imply. But I'll answer your question, yes I object to Pence as a person, politically, and I also have standards about serial killers, which is why a law was passed against criminals profiting from books about their crimes.

 

[watsup]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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F**k the staff. It’s better to see these sort of insects out in the open where they can be swatted at.

 

[calamity]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Good, so when the book comes out any remining doubt that Pence is a racist pos will be put to rest.

 

[Praxas]

Just because he wanted to convert homosexuals? Some of us see that as a good thing overall.

Yes we know how much Uber conservatives get their rocks off torturing gays. I’m sure if you could kill a gay person, and get away with it legally, you would.

 

[calamity]

Just because he wanted to convert homosexuals? Some of us see that as a good thing overall.

You know that's impossible. Right?

Lol...Conservatives cannot even be persuaded to wear a ****ing mask, but yet they think they should be "converting" gays. Sheesh.

 

[mrjurrs]

Why would you prefer the employees having to quit, to the publisher choosing not to publish this?

If the publisher chooses not to publish, that's great. However, I support the ability of businesses to make decisions in their best interest. If the publisher goes ahead, those that are disturbed should quit. Or stay if that better serves them.

If people had quit based on principles and said why they were quitting during 45's administration, 1.6.21 would not have happened imo.

 

[Cork]

Another poster who ignores the question. So you have no standards, you imply. But I'll answer your question, yes I object to Pence as a person, politically, and I also have standards about serial killers, which is why a law was passed against criminals profiting from books about their crimes.

If you feel that strongly against this just don't support the company.

No I don't have that type of standards when it comes to me buying products. I don't need to make a big fuss if I disagree with the company I just don't support them like Fox.

I probably disagree with everything Pence stand for as a person but I support a company choice to do what it feels in it's best interest.

 

[brianpatrick]

A lot of people don't like Pence simply for his character, detached from any support he gave Trump.

I would have preferred Trump as POTUS over Pence.

I agree with the publisher; I’d do the same thing. If they don’t publish, someone else will.

 

[Craig234]

I agree with the publisher; I’d do the same thing. If they don’t publish, someone else will.

Your rule is everyone should happily publish anyone that the worst publisher will publish.

 

[Craig234]

If you feel that strongly against this just don't support the company.

No I don't have that type of standards when it comes to me buying products. I don't need to make a big fuss if I disagree with the company I just don't support them like Fox.

I probably disagree with everything Pence stand for as a person but I support a company choice to do what it feels in it's best interest.

If you don't like Hitler, don't oppose anyone helping him, just don't donate to him. You probably disagree with everything Hitler stood for, but you don't oppose companies deciding to help him. Because just not giving your money is more than enough to address anything wrong. Restaurant not allowing black people? Just don't eat there, don't support a boycott.

 

[brianpatrick]

Your rule is everyone should happily publish anyone that the worst publisher will publish.

I know S&S are not one person, but if they were, and it was me, as a company, I would publish it. While Mike Pence and I do not agree on politics, and I really hate political Shitheads who lie in order to advance their political agendas, and all that fake pious crap, he’s still pretty low on my list of evil people in Washington. I can’t imagine he’d say anything liberals would believe, or conservatives would not. And maybe he’d spill some insider beans.

 

[reflechissez]

What I don't understand is why hasn't Pence been investigated by the authorities? Just given the fact that he was associated with Trump in the first place makes him suspect. Will there come a time when the awakened population of America will assert their right to contest his citizenship? Okay, that is a bit much I admit. But we have to establish limits, don't we? It seems that we must now begin to think in real terms about just how much influence men of the Christian patriarchy are allowed to have in modern society. He is part of a Christian cult plain and simple. The whole Sky Daddy thing is just crazy.

But about the book publishing deal. My view is that if IF he will agree to turn over 90% of the earnings for that book to BLM and to take some steps toward building a just and equitable future for all of us, then I cannot oppose the deal.

OrphanSlug said something really truthful -- (I commend you brother for so many of your trenchant comments!) -- the employees have a right to their opinion. But I'd go further and encourage you not to be so timid. The employees make the book publisher possible and if we were really honest we'd acknowledge that, technically, they *own* the company. And if they have struggled to arrive at the right and correct political and social position I cannot understand why the publisher -- the privelaged ownership I will add -- should not be forced to also see the light, the light so obvious to anyone.

MaryP writes:

The problem here is that there really are right views and their really are wrong views. It is a 'privileged' view -- Mary are you white? I think the question is fair in this context -- that we can afford to let these wrong ideas circulate. And you can bet the book will be filled with wrongview.

Now is the time to consolidate the gains American democracy has struggled and bled to achieve. GF gave his life and brought change to the World. We are right on the verge of a social revolution that is going to restore our democracy!

A little bit of critical analysis is in order here.

In solidarity with those who are making righteous and authentic choices.

Forever in the struggle,

Alizia Tyler

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You seem so authentic. I'm sure everyone reading this will believe you.

 

[Cork]

If you don't like Hitler, don't oppose anyone helping him, just don't donate to him. You probably disagree with everything Hitler stood for, but you don't oppose companies deciding to help him. Because just not giving your money is more than enough to address anything wrong. Restaurant not allowing black people? Just don't eat there, don't support a boycott.

Hey let's try to find the most extreme example and try to win a debate that way.

What about rap music? You want them canceled also because they glorify woman and gun violence?

What about comedians who routinely makes fun of everyone that can be considered racist or sexist? You want then canceled also?

What exactly is your problem here?

 

[trouble13]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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They should publish the letter complete with signatures.

 

[trouble13]

I'm kind of torn.

The guy has pushed some extremely ugly, backwards social policies over the years. He was one of the first on the train of normalizing Trumpism. That being said, he also has quite a story to tell, especially if he delves into what happened during his time as Vice President and the day of the Capitol insurrection.

He's probably done in politics. The guy never had the charisma to be a party front runner himself and I don't really see that Trump brand playing with the American people going forward.

I would vote for Pence

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Agreed publish it anyway the employees can quit. Free up some jobs for some people entering the field.

 

[Craig234]

Hey let's try to find the most extreme example and try to win a debate that way.

What about rap music? You want them canceled also because they glorify woman and gun violence?

What about comedians who routinely makes fun of everyone that can be considered racist or sexist? You want then canceled also?

What exactly is your problem here?

It's called a principle. Would you like me to pick an obscure person you never hard of to make the same point? Was restaurants refusing black people the 'most extreme'? You are dodging the issue.

There is a different standard for politicians, who we select for power, and commentators including musicians and comics - while I wouldn't mind a venue cancelling those for the right reason, I wouldn't push for it usually unless they were pretty extreme. Mike Pence has promoted bigotry for decades and enabled the most harmful president in history, and I'm happy for him to be shunned for it.

 

[MaryP]

It's called a principle. Would you like me to pick an obscure person you never hard of to make the same point? Was restaurants refusing black people the 'most extreme'? You are dodging the issue.

There is a different standard for politicians, who we select for power, and commentators including musicians and comics - while I wouldn't mind a venue cancelling those for the right reason, I wouldn't push for it usually unless they were pretty extreme. Mike Pence has promoted bigotry for decades and enabled the most harmful president in history, and I'm happy for him to be shunned for it.

Your personal principles, and the principles of a group of employees at S&S, are your own. VP Pence is not at the extreme end of the spectrum that would cause anyone to worry about violence to others. His memoirs are not going to brainwash millions of people; it's a book, and people will make their own decisions on whether to read it.