Mike Pence’s publisher refuses to cancel memoir after staff protest

[Allan]

I am saying that we need to agree that there are Right views and there are Wrong views.

The 1st Amendment was written to specifically prevent what you're proposing. Only the most despotic countries on the planet penalize 'wrong' views. Be glad you don't live in one.

 

[Cork]

Pence wants businesses free to refuse to serve gay people. There's a lot better case for a business refusing to serve him. He's not censored - he can post on the internet. Should they have any standards for who they publish?

Free market. If you don't support the guy just don't buy his book. If you really feel against this just don't support the publisher anymore.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

The 1st Amendment was written to specifically prevent what you're proposing. Only the most despotic countries on the planet penalize 'wrong' views. Be glad you don't live in one.

I think the Canadanians got it right:

Freedom of expression in Canada is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Charter also permits the government to enforce "reasonable" limits. Hate speech, obscenity, and defamation are common categories of restricted speech in Canada. During the 1970 October Crisis, the War Measures Act was used to limit speech from the militant political opposition.

There are limits, and in the process of taking back our democracy we need I think to be a little bit assertive.

 

[ataraxia]

Don't try and confuse me. I spelled it out quite clearly.

I am saying that we need to agree that there are Right views and there are Wrong views.

And a book publisher needs to become aware of this as well.

Well, to be honest, I think you are already a little confused- you don't need help. Most libraries and bookstores have books on just about all views ever expressed. Not sure why we need to have statues to all views ever expressed though.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Not sure why we need to have statues to all views ever expressed though.

I already said we are on the same side since you support getting rid of the statues set up to glorify slavers, *Christian* conquerers and other open haters. I think we need to get a bit more bold as things go forward and we take back our democracy.

 

[Helix]

it's easy enough to decide not to buy his latest presidential campaign advertisement.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Well, thinking it all through, and really struggling with it, I completely agree now that Free Speech must be conserved and protected. And I am now, going forward, going to take a stand against any curtailing of the Constitutional guarantees -- Sacha Cohen be damned -- even in the face of the hysterical mob. As a matter of fact I am going to commit myself to an anti-hysterical political and intellecgtual posture in all things, and all areas.

You guys really helped me out here. Whew! I'm on safe and solid ground now.

 

[ataraxia]

I already said we are on the same side since you support getting rid of the statues set up to glorify slavers, *Christian* conquerers and other open haters. I think we need to get a bit more bold as things go forward and we take back our democracy.

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...or, we could say statues are not for remembering, but expressing honor only for those whom we want to honor.

This is really not that hard.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

...or, we could say statues are not for remembering, but expressing honor only for those whom we want to honor.

This is really not that hard.

You are not going to be tearing down any statues anywhere near me, buddy. Now that I have come out the other side -- oh I admit i was in a rough patch a few minutes ago but I changed -- I will not stand by while the enraged mob tears down statues illegally.

You cannot allow mobs to enforce their will like that. They have to go through the proper channels.

This is really not that hard.

And the Taqueria stays!

 

[Cope]

Yes-- and its noteworthy that employees of a company that publishes books is against the publication of this book.

Slow news day?

 

[jimbo]

But we should force someone to publish it?

Nobody is forcing anyone to publish anything. Publishers reject thousands more books than they publish.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Business is business. Those that disapprove of Pence don’t have to buy the book.

 

[ataraxia]

You are not going to be tearing down any statues anywhere near me, buddy. Now that I have come out the other side -- oh I admit i was in a rough patch a few minutes ago but I changed -- I will not stand by while the enraged mob tears down statues illegally.

You cannot allow mobs to enforce their will like that. They have to go through the proper channels.

Sure. Already on it.

Richmond, Va., Mayor Orders Emergency Removal Of Confederate Statues

A crane and a cherry picker soon arrived on the city's Monument Avenue to remove the statue of Stonewall Jackson before cheering crowds.

www.npr.org

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Sure. Already on it.

As Allen tried to point out to us this is the sort of thing that goes on in totalitarian countries. So, I do not for one second by the 'state of emergency' story.

And this "time to move beyond the lost cause and embrace the righteous cause" is obviously a fib if it is not a lie.

I allowed myself to be deceived a few minutes ago and struggled through it! You are not going to fool me again.

I suggest a bit of critical self-examination Ataraxia.

Stoney says he has the powers to remove the statues immediately because of powers he holds during a declared state of emergency.

In an interview Wednesday afternoon with NPR, Stoney said he had moved quickly to remove the statue for public safety and other reasons.

"We've had 33 days of unrest," the mayor said. "It's time. It's time to move beyond the lost cause and embrace the righteous cause. We can be more than just the capital of the Confederacy. It's time for us to be the capital of compassion."

 

[ataraxia]

As Allen tried to point out to us this is the sort of thing that goes on in totalitarian countries. So, I do not for one second by the 'state of emergency' story.

And this "time to move beyond the lost cause and embrace the righteous cause" is obviously a fib if it is not a lie.

I allowed myself to be deceived a few minutes ago and struggled through it! You are not going to fool me again.

I suggest a bit of critical self-examination Ataraxia.

What country in the world, totalitarian or otherwise, do you know that feels it has to have statues of every historical figure so they don't forget?

 

[Craig234]

Free market. If you don't support the guy just don't buy his book. If you really feel against this just don't support the publisher anymore.

You're missing the issue. It's not about the consumer, but about the employees of the publisher and the publisher. The employees don't want to contribute to Pence, which has some principle. You didn't answer the question: do you have any standards for who they publish?

 

[Craig234]

The Publisher will want something juicy in there and Pence might hold a grudge after Trump's mob tried to kill him.

The publisher may want something juicy, but if Pence won't give it, they could still publish it. Was there a lot juicy in Hillary's book? If Pence held a grudge, he likely wouldn't be speaking out for trump still as he does. It's not only a chance for him to criticize the attack, but to dismiss it, helping trump with people sayig 'see, even Pence says it was nothing'. Does his record make his critics want him making millions on a book?

 

[mrjurrs]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Have to side with the publisher on this one. I'd say to the employees...the economy is coming back and there are lots of jobs coming. If you believe what you are saying, and I believe they are speaking truth to power...I hope a stack of them quit on publishing day.

 

[Fishking]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Good for the publisher. I wish they'd do this more often. They should fire ever employee that calls for cancelling publishing books and replace them. The left are the modern day book burners.

 

[Allan]

Good for the publisher. I wish they'd do this more often. They should fire ever employee that calls for cancelling publishing books and replace them.

The publisher can hardly do that without appearing quite hypocritical don't you think?

The left are the modern day book burners.

Have you not read this thread? Everyone on the left here is backing the publisher's position.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

What country in the world, totalitarian or otherwise, do you know that feels it has to have statues of every historical figure so they don't forget?

Friginia, Yansansara, Boolavia, Smitzen, Chood just off the top of my head.

They realized they were all forgetful people so they monumentalized everything.

Be that as it may I am now back on your side. All these hateful, wicked, regressive monuments must be turned to scrap!

Heaven only knows what will come over me near tea-time!

 

[ataraxia]

Friginia, Yansansara, Boolavia, Smitzen, Chood just off the top of my head.

They realized they were all forgetful people so they monumentalized everything.

Be that as it may I am now back on your side. All these hateful, wicked, regressive monuments must be turned to scrap!

Heaven only knows what will come over me near tea-time!

Yeah really. I suspect your biggest dilemma is going to be deciding between one lump of sugar or two. Wow. My heart bleeds for your terrible plight.

 

[Craig234]

Have to side with the publisher on this one. I'd say to the employees...the economy is coming back and there are lots of jobs coming. If you believe what you are saying, and I believe they are speaking truth to power...I hope a stack of them quit on publishing day.

Why would you prefer the employees having to quit, to the publisher choosing not to publish this?

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Yeah really. I suspect your biggest dilemma is going to be deciding between one lump of sugar or two. Wow. My heart bleeds for your terrible plight.

No, it is more serious. One side of me wants to send you to Joe Arpaio's Attitude Adjustment Center in the desert.

The other side wants to build a monument to your glory!

The battle rages . . .

 

[noonereal]

I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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I support the employees who want the book cancelled, I support that the decision was made against their wishes.