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Mike Pence’s publisher refuses to cancel memoir after staff protest

holbritter said:
What the employees wanted is getting too close to a society of censorship, instead of free speech. Nobody is forcing anyone to read/buy it.
That's how I feel anyway
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But we should force someone to publish it?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Yes-- and its noteworthy that employees of a company that publishes books is against the publication of this book.
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For the cancel culture lazy liberals of the world?
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Did or did not T***** commit a literal crime when he said "good people on both sides'"?
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He did not commit a crime when he said that. It was abhorrent thing to say but not illegal.
Alizia Tyler said:
I will respect your opinion if you can demonstrate that your opinion can be changed when confronted with truth.
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I don't care if you respect my opinion.
 
we should have a contest to see who can describe the book in one sentence. mine would be...


"I support the President but I also had my own feelings regarding some issues and events but I had my faith there to help guide me."
 
Craig234 said:
Pence wants businesses free to refuse to serve gay people. There's a lot better case for a business refusing to serve him. He's not censored - he can post on the internet. Should they have any standards for who they publish?
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Allan said:
I'm on the side of Simon & Shuster's position on publishing the book.
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Craig seems to be on the right track here.
Allan said:
He did not commit a crime when he said that
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Then you think it is ok for people like that to express their views under the pretense of free expression? Like all those Nazis and Lost Causers who came to Charlottesville?

He did commit a crime but it was one that is not yet on the lawbooks. And this is why we have to take back our democracy. So that we get these things right.

 
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Alizia Tyler said:
Then you think it is ok for people like that to express their views under the pretense of free expression? Like all those Nazis and Lost Causers who came to Charlottesville?
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Yes it is ok for Trump to express that view.
Alizia Tyler said:
He did commit a crime but it was one that is not yet on the lawbooks.
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It will never be on the lawbooks outside despotic countries. The US Constitution allows that type of speech.
 
I'll be very surprised if Pense says anything that betrays his loyalty to trump.



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swing_voter said:
I'll be very surprised if Pense says anything that betrays his loyalty to trump.



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I would be surprised as well, but it could happen. The Publisher will want something juicy in there and Pence might hold a grudge after Trump's mob tried to kill him.
 
Allan said:
I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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I am no fan of Trump or Pence. But I think they should go ahead with publishing the book.
 
Allan said:
I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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LOL. More proof that it is the left who want to cancel, not the right. Thanks for your opinion. Nothing should be canceled.
 
Allan said:
Yes it is ok for Trump to express that view.
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What about the monuments and statues to slavers, to "Christian" conquerers, to imperialists? Do The People have the right to eliminate symbols of hatred from among them? And if they do have this right why can't we extend it a bit further?

Bit by bit, I am willing to take it somewhat slow. But we have to know what the objective is. And we have to be bold and determining in getting what we know is right.
 
The cynical part of me suspects that this is a cheap ploy by the publisher to drum up publicity for the book. A book I'm excited to ignore.
 
Allan said:
I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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I see no problem with what the employees did and at the same time there is nothing wrong with what the publisher did either. The employees, if they feel their employer doesn't represent a company they want to work for, they can decide to quit. I look at this though as the employees just voicing their opinions.
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Did or did not T***** commit a literal crime when he said "good people on both sides'"?
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While Trump's comment was idiotic and most likely racist in nature, what is the ACTUAL CRIME (state the statute) that Trump committed by saying that. You will find there are not too many people here that absolutely hate Trump or Trump supporters as I do, but he didn't commit a crime when saying that.
 
It was a crime that occurred at the level of belief and in his thought. It just is not yet a literal crime yet and one for which people can be prosecuted and sentenced. A crime-in-embryo is how we might think of it.

But change is upon us. A slow train of social justice and the attainment of equity in our land.
 
Allan said:
I'm curious as to how people feel about this. Simon & Schuster has pushed back against employees who want Pence's book deal cancelled. I'm with the publisher on this one.



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Publishers care about one thing: selling books. That's always been the way it is.
 

Books are meant to express views. Statues are meant to glorify. Different things.

Just because we have history books on the Mafia, does that mean we should have a statue of Al Capone in the middle of every town square too?
 

Are you saying that people should be free to express their views, AND should be free from ever having them condemned by others?
 
ataraxia said:
Books are meant to express views. Statues are meant to glorify. Different things.
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Good. Very good. This is my understanding as well. The crowd has a right to tear them out of society and memory. It might tecnically be *illegal* but it is right as rain.

And if this is true it MUST be extended to publishing as well, because that can also be 'glorifying'.
 
ataraxia said:
Are you saying that people should be free to express their views, AND should be free from ever having them condemned by others?
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Don't try and confuse me. I spelled it out quite clearly.

I am saying that we need to agree that there are Right views and there are Wrong views.

And a book publisher needs to become aware of this as well.
 
Pence's decision to not announce in advance, like a week in advance, that he would not bow to Trump's wish that he violate the constitution and stop the acceptance by Congress of the certified vote is outrageous.

It was a display of profound cowardice and moral weakness. Worse than a crime.
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Good. Very good. This is my understanding as well. The crowd has a right to tear them out of society and memory. It might tecnically be *illegal* but it is right as rain.
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No. We have books on every one from George III to Benedict Arnold and Genghis Khan. Almost all schoolchildren learn about them. They are certainly not torn out of society and memory. But do you want statues of them to make sure we don't forget?
Alizia Tyler said:
And if this is true it MUST be extended to publishing as well, because that can also be 'glorifying'.
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So all historical figures in history books need statues? I am going to ask for one in my town square for Pharaoh Ramses III. Wouldn't want to forget that one!
 
Alizia Tyler said:
And if this is true it MUST be extended to publishing as well, because that can also be 'glorifying'.
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Not really, there are books written about Charles Manson, that doesn't mean they are glorifying him. Additionally while Pence is writing his book, it doesn't stop ANYONE from writing a book refuting what he puts in there. To add on further, if you feel so strongly about the publisher, than it also doesn't stop you or others from boycotting them as well.

I take it you hate the first amendment unless it is something that you agree with.
 
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