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Michigan GOP leaders encourage rule breaking at poll worker training session

Grizzly Adams said:
I'm not sure one can tally "poll worker has a pen and some Post-Its" under the "election fraud" column, but go ahead and try.
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A willing violation of the local election laws.

What would you call it?
 
Sabre said:
Who was talking about the GOP doing something now, besides you?
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The post to which you responded, in the comments of yours that I quoted. And the thread topic kind of touches on it. You lost? ;)
 
Galactic Spin said:
The post to which you responded, in the comments of yours that I quoted. And the thread topic kind of touches on it. You lost? ;)
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You quoted me? you said:
Galactic Spin said:
If the GOP was doing something now, it would change the past? What a bizarre post. Reflexive fail.
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That "quote" has none of anything I said. i.e.
That's funny. If the GOP was doing the fraud, instead of the Dems, Trump would still be President. But he isn't and a career do nothing is.
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What does the post I responded to have to do with your comment on me, pick a subject someone else's post, or mine. My post was in past tense, you tried to change it to a present tense, I never said or implied anything about what the GOP is doing now. Like I said, read what is there not what you imagine, perhaps too much spinning in that galaxy eh?
 
Sabre said:
My post was in past tense, you tried to change it to a present tense
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And his was present tense, and you, I guess, tried to change it to past tense. Whew, glad that's cleared up, and we can move on.

Anyway, it's pretty clear who the cheaters really are.
 
Remember in Michigan the workers covered the windows with poster boards during the count.

Next thing you knew Biden votes were coming in 10 to 1 and the candidate that hid in his basement was making an unbelievable comeback.
 
Sabre said:
That's funny. If the GOP was doing the fraud, instead of the Dems, Trump would still be President. But he isn't and a career do nothing is.
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Nobody said they were good at it, as is evidenced by 60 court filings that went nowhere.
 
So if the CNN report is correct, what the idiot left is objecting to is poll watchers taking notes or recording potential illegal activity...is that about it?

Nothing to do with the actual election...the idiot left just wants to be able to do whatever they do without there being a record of it.

thats shocking.....
 
LouC said:
There are no restrictions for Poll Workers having and using pens in the Polling Place in the conduct of the election.

Again, Poll Workers, taking and secreting notes, to hand over to outside agents, would obviously be violating their oath.

Using phones to record (video or photos) of anything but images of ones ballot before they have left the voting booth is prohibited.

Poll Workers, poll watchers, Credentialed Poll Challengers are not permitted to record any activity with any device in the Polling Place during hours of Voting.

There are no restrictions listed for poll watchers or Credentialed Poll Challengers regarding their having pens and papers.
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Thanks for the information. Although everyone appears to be to busy sniping at one another to read it.
 
LouC said:
I do not know of any State that disallows any official Poll Worker from taking notes on issues they observe on Election Day in the Polls.

It has been encouraged in all the Training I have received as an Election Judge in two different states and has been true in the Poll Worker Training documents I have studied from other States.

In fact I have been an Election Judge in a Blue State and now a Red State and the materials we have received to conduct Elections in both States have always included big legal pads and pencils and pens for documenting problems or suggestions.

However, there is a difference, a huge honking difference, between noting issues to be turned in to the Election Authorities for their edification and secreting notes to turn over to any partisan agents.

Further, as Poll Workers we are charged and Swear an Oath to conduct the Elections faithfully and according to the Rules of the County and the Laws of the State, to the best of our ability.

When we show up on site on Election Day we leave our Politics outside the Polling Place.

If Poll workers see anything they consider law breaking they are obligated to report it immediately to me and I will either deal with it on site if it is simple, like electioneering, or if worse send it to our Election authorities for handling, and not to outside agents.

That is because you seemingly have no frame of reference for the reasoning behind the rules.

I do.
It is all fascinating stuff.
I have been serving as an Election Judge in two different states for 17 years now.
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That’s the way is normally is.

But this year, GOP political activists are training people to look for and secretly document irregularities. Trying to assemble excuses for challenging the outcomes they don’t like. As they did in the last election.

This is a very well organized and widespread effort. And it is flying under the radar. So far.

These guys are encouraging people to come into the voting area and surreptitiously video and take notes on what you are doing, so they can challenge the legitimacy of votes cast in your precinct.
 
VanceMack said:
So if the CNN report is correct, what the idiot left is objecting to is poll watchers taking notes or recording potential illegal activity...is that about it?

Nothing to do with the actual election...the idiot left just wants to be able to do whatever they do without there being a record of it.

thats shocking.....
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That’s right.

Partisan “poll watchers” are being encouraged to ignore restrictions on electioneering and invade the polling place, for purposes of intimidation and surreptitiously taking notes and recording video.

This is far more intrusive and insidious than mere electioneering.

It is as deliberately close to violating the ballot box as they think they can get away with it.

It is an effort to localize the big lie.
 
Sabre said:
That's funny. If the GOP was doing the fraud, instead of the Dems, Trump would still be President. But he isn't and a career do nothing is.
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Just because they cheated, doesn't mean they automatically win.

Pretty sure a number of GOP folks have already suffered legal consequences for their fraud in the 2020 election.

just sayin
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Perhaps you can point to the election law that's being violated before accusing people of downplaying it.
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This is some lame-ass gaslighting right there. At least know wtf you're talking about when you post.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
I'm not sure one can tally "poll worker has a pen and some Post-Its" under the "election fraud" column, but go ahead and try.
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Again, conservatives should not use the phrase rule of law because you dismiss any unlawful actions by the gop at every turn. Your ability to dismiss bad behavior is noted.
 
Sabre said:
That's funny. If the GOP was doing the fraud, instead of the Dems, Trump would still be President. But he isn't and a career do nothing is.
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Nobody said it was enough fraud to swing an election but to deny the 'fraud' mostly comes from folks like you. Most cases I see about interfering with the election comes from folks on the right.
 
What concerns me is that those that have accepted and been tasked with the responsibility of overseeing and conducting free and fair elections make it very clear that they will not adhere to any rules or means of conduct that they do not agree with and will encourage others to do the same. The proper stance for them to take is to protest up the chain against whatever rules they believe are improper. Do it above board.
 
Redress said:
So you are going to reject a PDF from the state of Michigan government on the rules and responsibilities for poll watchers? I know the game you are playing(challenge everything, then deny you are covering for people encouraging violating election rules, distract and divert from the topic by endless, mindless, idiotic challenges), but you are failing at it, hardcore.
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I'm not reading a 27-page pdf in order to help you prove your point. Got a statutory citation? Link it. Until you do, I decline to believe that "local election rules" are synonymous with "election law." If a local election rule is that voter rolls must be marked up with blue ink, I decline to blindly believe that when Brittanee comes in with her volunteer spirit and her favorite hot pink pen she becomes a criminal. Until, of course, you show she would be.
 
Ikari said:
Your Sov Cit bullshit ain't making sense. But keep excusing the violation of State Election Rules.

lol

Until a Democrat does it, then you'll be properly outraged.
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Ikari, quit flipping your lid. He's asking reasonable questions but you would rather just rage at him rather than go look. I went and looked.

I saw a restriction on poll workers based on electronic devices being used to record people and violating their privacy. While I can find that reasonable, I'm wondering what the expectation is in a public polling place. But all of that aside I found this regarding poll WATCHERS, I know not poll workers.


Page 32 of the document:
-Use electronic devices, so long as the device is not disruptive and so long as the devices is not used to make video or audio recordings of the polling place;
• Observe election-related activities at a polling place on Election Day at any time the polling place is open to the public, including prior to the opening of polls or after the closing of polls;
• Take notes about the election process;
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What I do not know is how much those rules differ from the 2020 rules. What I also wonder is if those were "rules" or laws. They do not seem to be laws.
 
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