Michael Moore - liberator or slanderer

[cnredd]

Are you referring to CNRedd's post or Michael Moore's movie? :lol:

My post...ranting children want nothing to do with Michael Moore.:roll:

And when the hell did I become capitalized?!?!?

Ease up on the respect, will ya?

 

[shuamort]

I edited my post's capitalization to appease the cnredd happy turd. :mrgreen:

 

[cnredd]

I edited my post's capitalization to appease the cnredd happy turd. :mrgreen:

That's Mr. Hanky to you!

"Mr. Hanky, the Christmas poo...He loves me, and I love you...therefore, vicariously he loves you...even if you're a Jew..."

He doesn't love SMIRK, though...He thinks SMIRK is an idiot...

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I was looking for the "Useless bag of skin" option, but i didn't see it.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

F9/11 was simply a politically motivated piece of trash. Probably the worst cut and paste job I've ever seen. Do I like Bush? No. But I like Moore even less. The man is an opportunist..he uses tragic events to circulate his political hogwash. Most of F9/11 was comprised of distortion, flat out lies, heresay, and misinformation. Thats not the definition of a doccumentary.

 

[ludahai]

F9/11 was simply a politically motivated piece of trash. Probably the worst cut and paste job I've ever seen. Do I like Bush? No. But I like Moore even less. The man is an opportunist..he uses tragic events to circulate his political hogwash. Most of F9/11 was comprised of distortion, flat out lies, heresay, and misinformation. Thats not the definition of a doccumentary.

Fortunately, most moderate liberals I know take this approach. They don't like Bush to be sure, and I can respect that. So long as that dislike of Bush doesn't become irrational hate and a hatred of our system, then I am ok with that. Most of these people hate Michael Moore. Some even blame him for Kerry's loss in the election. I don't know if I would go that far, but I can certainly see some undecided people look at this trash and be turned off by it.

 

[Factologist]

Mike is a Captialist.......Isn't that what you Repukelicans love......I see none of you self -rightious children taking Rush the Synthetic Heroin addick to task!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai:
What should he have done then?

Leave immediately to show he cares more about the country than a class of second graders.

Quote:By billo...
What evidence do you have to show, other than taking your word for it, that it was doctored?

Walk your talk!

Originally posted by ludahai:
F-Hype 9/11 had quite a bit about the doctoring, including responses from both the newspaper's editors and Moore's lawyer.

I promised Vauge I would watch this movie. And I plan to do just that. I will also watch it with an open mind and no pre-disposition of its contents.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai:
Probably wouldn't hurt as much as driving into that brick wall at 100 KPH!

Especially now since my front bumper is held on by four bungy cords.

Something tells me you would like to see that happen.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Mike is a Captialist.......Isn't that what you Repukelicans love......I see none of you self -rightious children taking Rush the Synthetic Heroin addick to task!

:lol: I'm not a republican. Besides, I don't really care what Rush, Kennedy, and others do with their lives as long as it doesn't effect me or offend me.

P.S. Rush wasn't addicted to Heroine he was addicted to pills..I think it was oxycodone.

 

[ban.the.electoral.college]

I always get so puzzled when watching his films. Especially Farenheit.

Is Moore liberating us with the truth or just bogging us down with more propaganda?

He talks about Bush et al. and how they always throw lies in our faces, telling us their views are the truth and it's that black and white.

But does Moore do any better? His arguments hold no room for debate and he masterfully uses his evidence to come up with certain "truths".

Is he showing us the truth? or is he a Magician, making us see one thing while deftly withholding the truth?

Moore is no magician. He does what all other documentary makers do. He makes propaganda. In fact, he offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who could present to him an instance of where he misrepresented information. No one has taken him up on that.

I know it's easy to feel in disbelief about Fahrenheit. I mean the subject is very touchy to say the least. But, video does not lie. And neither does Moore. If you don't like what he's showing you, you can go on living your life in denial. Or you can try to publically rationalize your thoughts on it.

Either way, it's your choice. But if you're worried about anyone withholding the truth or think someone might be a "magician", look no further than your pal, GWB.​

 

[ludahai]

Leave immediately to show he cares more about the country than a class of second graders.

And do WHAT?!?!? What he did FIVE MINUTES LATER when he prepared to make an annoucement to the nation?

I promised Vauge I would watch this movie. And I plan to do just that. I will also watch it with an open mind and no pre-disposition of its contents.

Actually, this one truly is a documentary. However, you once again dodged the point. How can you excuse the way Michael Moore doctored the Pantagraph newspaper the way that he did.

 

[ludahai]

Especially now since my front bumper is held on by four bungy cords.

Something tells me you would like to see that happen.

Of course not. Just because we disagree and you are one of the most ornery people I know, I wouldn't wish such a fate on anyone.

 

[ludahai]

I know it's easy to feel in disbelief about Fahrenheit. I mean the subject is very touchy to say the least. But, video does not lie.​

In that case, please answer the question that Billo refuses to. What about the altered Pantagraph headline that was actually a letter to the editor passed off as a genuine news article by Moore?​

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai:
Of course not. Just because we disagree and you are one of the most ornery people I know, I wouldn't wish such a fate on anyone.

You don't know me. Especially if you are getting your information from others. Which is a little suprising to me. You seem to be someone who makes up there own mind. Not Joe Bandwagon.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai:
Actually, this one truly is a documentary. However, you once again dodged the point. How can you excuse the way Michael Moore doctored the Pantagraph newspaper the way that he did.

I'm not dodging anything. I'm not going to comment on something that I haven't researched.

 

[Factologist]

:lol: I'm not a republican. Besides, I don't really care what Rush, Kennedy, and others do with their lives as long as it doesn't effect me or offend me.

P.S. Rush wasn't addicted to Heroine he was addicted to pills..I think it was oxycodone.

OXY is SYNTHETIC HEROIN !

 

[ludahai]

I'm not dodging anything. I'm not going to comment on something that I haven't researched.

Well, go ahead and do the research, or stop playing that everying in F911 is unalderated truth!

 

[BWG]

What he could have done, is politely excused himself, maybe make a joke with the kids and leave. He didn't have to excite the kids or the teacher, just quietly leave. In the context of our country being under attack, maybe he could have done something, in retrospect it didn't matter.

I've been in meetings and been called out for emergency's. I've done just that, excused myself and left. Sure it was with adults, but give kids credit, they're sharper than you might think.

It's no big deal to me, although I know why it's brought again and again. Using the hindsight that it didn't make a difference, I don't care.

 

[ludahai]

What he could have done, is politely excused himself, maybe make a joke with the kids and leave. He didn't have to excite the kids or the teacher, just quietly leave. In the context of our country being under attack, maybe he could have done something, in retrospect it didn't matter.

I've been in meetings and been called out for emergency's. I've done just that, excused myself and left. Sure it was with adults, but give kids credit, they're sharper than you might think.

It's no big deal to me, although I know why it's brought again and again. Using the hindsight that it didn't make a difference, I don't care.

There was nothing to be gained at that moment in time by his getting up and leaving the classroom. He was kept informed, as the video tape shows. The air force was already in the air. They didn't need the president to get up and issue an order. Most of what occurred in the first couple of hours was automatic. The response by emergency agencies didn't need the president to get up there and direct them. It is not the president's job to micromanage everything. He did the right thing by waiting for information to come in before making comments on what happened. He did the right thing by remaining calm in the face of this horrible terrorist attack! His initial response was restrained, measured and right on target. Even the teacher present at the time (who did not vote for Bush) said that he did exactly the right thing!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted to ludahai:
Well, go ahead and do the research, or stop playing that everying in F911 is unalderated truth!

Why don't you stop putting words in my mouth and responding to things I never said? Cite the post where I used those very words.

I see cnredd has taught you well.

 

[ban.the.electoral.college]

There was nothing to be gained at that moment in time by his getting up and leaving the classroom. He was kept informed, as the video tape shows. The air force was already in the air. They didn't need the president to get up and issue an order. Most of what occurred in the first couple of hours was automatic. The response by emergency agencies didn't need the president to get up there and direct them. It is not the president's job to micromanage everything. He did the right thing by waiting for information to come in before making comments on what happened. He did the right thing by remaining calm in the face of this horrible terrorist attack! His initial response was restrained, measured and right on target. Even the teacher present at the time (who did not vote for Bush) said that he did exactly the right thing!

Remain calm? I think remain perplexed was more like it. I watched the footage of GWB being informed of the worst american tragedy of the last 50 years, over one hundred times. He made a face like a monkey. Like he was thinking hmm... is that a burp, or a fart I feel in my tummy? Hmm... la-di-da-da-da. It's not the reaction you would expect from a president. It might be the look of a young boy who can not yet make decisions on his own. It could be the look of a coward, who does not know wether he should stay or go. But, It certainly was the look and action of indecisiveness. It is not the reaction of a true leader. It's what makes me ashamed to say, "George Bush is my president."

 

[ludahai]

Remain calm? I think remain perplexed was more like it. I watched the footage of GWB being informed of the worst american tragedy of the last 50 years, over one hundred times. He made a face like a monkey. Like he was thinking hmm... is that a burp, or a fart I feel in my tummy? Hmm... la-di-da-da-da. It's not the reaction you would expect from a president. It might be the look of a young boy who can not yet make decisions on his own. It could be the look of a coward, who does not know wether he should stay or go. But, It certainly was the look and action of indecisiveness. It is not the reaction of a true leader. It's what makes me ashamed to say, "George Bush is my president."

Interesting that the teacher WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WITH HIM AT THE TIME disagrees with your assessment. And she didn't vote for him!

 

[ban.the.electoral.college]

Interesting that the teacher WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WITH HIM AT THE TIME disagrees with your assessment. And she didn't vote for him!

What does she know about how a president should respond? For the love of god, she's just a grade school reading teacher. Of course she's not going lambast the president for being cowardly. She has her schools credibility on the line. Not to mention, for her to say that the president acted like a fool would have cost her the job she loved. No, I am here to tell you over and over and over again, that GWB is an elitist puppet who has the personality of frat boy with the monetary power of billions and billions of dollars of corporate intrest filling his sails. And if people haven't figured that out by now, I have grave concerns about where our country is headed.

 

[ludahai]

What does she know about how a president should respond? For the love of god, she's just a grade school reading teacher.

Do you have such condescension for ALL teachers, or just Americans of African descent who happen to be grade school teachers! She has as much right as anyone to determine how a president should respond because she is a CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES! THat is what makes her qualified to comment. And unlike any of us, SHE WAS IN THE ROOM at the time this was happening. She knows more than any of us the President's reaction at that time. Stop with your self-righteous criticism and look at simply how absurd your statement is.

Of course she's not going lambast the president for being cowardly. She has her schools credibility on the line. Not to mention, for her to say that the president acted like a fool would have cost her the job she loved. No, I am here to tell you over and over and over again, that GWB is an elitist puppet who has the personality of frat boy with the monetary power of billions and billions of dollars of corporate intrest filling his sails. And if people haven't figured that out by now, I have grave concerns about where our country is headed.

That is your opinion. FOrtunately, most people who vote don't agree with you. President Bush has won the presidency TWICE. You can either accept it and move on and try to elect your guy in 2008, or you can keep whining and wonder why the Democrats can't win the Presidency, the Senate, the House, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures!