The legalazation of something would likely peak the interested in a lot of people, especially when they are out partying on a Friday night and stop into 711 when they are drunk and high on weed and can pick up some meth and herion. There are very few meth heads, crack heads, ect that are productive in any society. We don't need to be taking hard working Americans and helping them turn into junkies. We need to be doing the opposite. The value of making these substances illegal is because they have been proven to take over a persons life even when initially used recreationally and destroy it completely. Can you name any benefits of legalizing meth?
Do people REALLY believe legalizing marijuana solves this? Hey...Im all for legalizing pot...always have been and NOT to fight the drug war. But the real money is not in pot...its in heroin, and meth, and other smaller, more easily portable drugs. One of the reasons we see reduced meth labs in America is the production and distribution from mexico has gotten so much better and more efficient. So...do we decriminalize ALL drug use? Just stop arresting people? That stops usage...how exactly?
Conversation doesnt stop there.
Since he missed Monday and was sitting home all day so he went ahead and got high again. Which screwed him over on going to work Tuesday too. That pissed his boss off who suspends him for a few days. So he decides to get high again since he is upset about the suspension. Ultimately leads to him getting fired. Which luckily for him he can fall back on our welfare system till he gets back on his feet. Which could take a while when you have a track record of poor attendance at your previous job and your piss is dirty. And in the job interview your teeth are rotting out of your head and your potentially new boss is watching your cold sweats shakes as you try to think of an answer. In hindsight offering to suck his dick for $20 probably wasnt helpful either. After a long while with this the guy will likely enroll in some type of rehab at the tax payers expense to help him clean up and get off the heroin. During that time he decides he should probably sue the manufacturer who is legally selling it for ruining his life draining our tax money and wasting a courts time. he will likely win because we always hold others accountable here in AMerica for our own failures. With that money he will "celebrate" and the cycle will start again.
Its not a popular message...but if you are going to combat certain groups, you have to play on their terms. You have to be ruthless, brutal, merciless. Frankly...most people dont have the stomach to accept the fact, let alone to engage.
By that logic if we legalize murders then hitmen would be out of a job. We could legalize rape and put prostitutes out of jobs. You could legalize every crime and then we wouldn't have criminals at all right?
How exactly do you properly regulate a product that is so addictive people will sell their bodies, children, rob, kill, ect to get?
So we should help people get addicted to heroin, meth and crack then pay to help them get off it. Does that really sound productive?
If criminals and the like start fighting instead of fighting back we should tuck our tails between our legs and give in? Give in to lawlessness and any resemblence of decency and hope that if we legalize everything that people will eventually grow tired it all? Seriously?
Unfortunately, the general population of Mexico doesn't seem to have the backbone or the heart to fix the problems which are currently plaguing the country. As a general rule, the Mexican people are a good-natured, hard-working, simple, family-centered group of people. That being said, they don't like to face problems head-on, because they don't want the cultural disturbance it would cause. I have a lot of friends who are Mexican immigrants. Whenever I ask them questions or make observations about what is happening in Mexico, they invariably want to close their eyes to the situation, as if they can just wish it away, and they have an attitude that the people causing the problem need appeasement. It's very sad.
Murder and rape are crimes because they are impositions of violence against other people.
When a person chooses to take a recreational drug himself there is no violence against anyone.
You cannot equate the two.
For one, you can limit the supply to how much people can get at a time. Now will there be people who will get a work-around on this? Yes. But there will also be less violence involved as well.
Legalization of drugs isn't helping people getting addicted to drugs. Not any more than allowing tobacco to be legal to smoke helps people to become smokers. Or not any more than allowing alcohol to be drunk helps people to become alcoholics.
And treatment for those who want to get help is a more efficient use of resources that trying to stop everyone who wants to use them through the use of violence.
I think it is more decent to just allow people to use the recreational drugs they want to than to allow the drug trade to stay criminalized so only criminals control it and those who use drugs are put in jail with other criminals whose crimes victimize others. Especially when the latter comes out of taxes that I have to pay for.
People are far more violent on drugs. That has been shown.
People are far more violent on drugs. That has been shown.
No it wouldnt. You'd have a bunch of meth heads running around robbing and killing people for their meth. It would likely cause more violence.
You have got to be kidding. This is just rediculous.
You dont fix crime by legalizing criminal behaviors. That is completely absurd.
Really to get to the root of the problem it is up to the Mexican government to have better control of their nation. There is little we can do in the way of controlling drugs ourself. In Afghanistan, creating poppy plants is a way of life; we have tried to retrain farmers out there to grow stuff like soy beans and such but it just doesn't stick. When we leave they go right back to the poppy seeds because it is much easier and profitable for them to grow.
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. Another big part could be to work with the Mexican government and deploy a couple hundred troops to Mexico.
You dont fix crime by legalizing criminal behaviors. That is completely absurd.
Do people REALLY believe legalizing marijuana solves this? Hey...Im all for legalizing pot...always have been and NOT to fight the drug war. But the real money is not in pot...its in heroin, and meth, and other smaller, more easily portable drugs. One of the reasons we see reduced meth labs in America is the production and distribution from mexico has gotten so much better and more efficient. So...do we decriminalize ALL drug use? Just stop arresting people? That stops usage...how exactly?
This is true to an extent. But I really think that the crux of the matter is that the Mexican people don't have the economy needed to police the drug trade effectively.
The drug trade is such big business that Mexico doesn't have an economy sufficient enough to compete with it. Therefore, they can't pay the monies needed to properly clamp down on it.
People are far more violent on drugs. That has been shown.
I've never believed that - obviously: that's what I support with my stance against them.
I can see it now: we legalize one source of an illicit substance and quickly - when crime and immoral activities directly related to it increases - our government is slaughtered for it and I'm proven correct.
Now how ever much I love to be right - i'd rather not find out *that* way.
It doesn't necessarily stop usage, which is true.
But what is does do is stop violence caused by criminal organizations who seek to control the drug trade while it is criminalized.
It will also allow us to spend our tax revenue on prohibiting much more important crimes, such as human trafficking and sex slavery, which are huge problems right now. So what I would like to see is the elimination of the DEA but for the money we spent on that to prohibit the modern slave trade.
I think that is a much worse problem that trying to stop people who want to use drugs themselves.
exactly - just because it's not a criminal offense doesn't mean it's not a negative blight and a problem to deal with.
We already deal with drunks and those who do dabbled in illicit drugs quite enough as it is *with* it being controlled and/or illegal . . . so increase all that? Nope - not doing it.
Not every drug that is illegal causes violent behavior in drug users.
And most drug violence occurs for control of the drug trade. Take away that criminal impetus to control the drug trade and you take away the major cause of drug violence.
No it wouldn't, especially if we allowed meth addicts to hold low skilled jobs and didn't discriminate against them. Allow them to earn the money for them to feed their addictions and they will.
And yet you didn't address that point. So it's perfectly valid.
Except not every behavior is worth being criminalized. And using recreational drugs isn't a behavior that is worth criminalizing. Therefore it should be legal.
I was talking about drugs use in general, which has gone down now that resources have been diverted into rehabilitation. But yes i think legalization would certainly take away the allure for teenagers.
Simply put why dont you check with the people who's lives have been affected by crystal meth use. Talk to the people trying to get off it. Talk to those who have lost everything to it. Talk to the woman letting men mutilate their bodies for a hit. Talk to the men doing the same. Talk the parents who's children are on it. Talk to the children who's parents are on it. Talk to those people and ask them if more people should be doing meth. Ask them if it should be more readily available. Let me know how that works out for you.
And education too.
Cigarette smoking has decreased dramatically since education on the bad health results of smoking cigarettes have been taught to kids.
Somehow I think that cigarettes, or coffee is just a little different than heroin, and cocaine....
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Simply put why dont you check with the people who's lives have been affected by crystal meth use. Talk to the people trying to get off it. Talk to those who have lost everything to it. Talk to the woman letting men mutilate their bodies for a hit. Talk to the men doing the same. Talk the parents who's children are on it. Talk to the children who's parents are on it. Talk to those people and ask them if more people should be doing meth. Ask them if it should be more readily available. Let me know how that works out for you.
Well......if the Portugal does it we should too!
Last year before deciding on San Diego for a vacation using my RCI timeshare, I was seriously looking at an all inclusive resort in Cancun. There is a reason why there are many all inclusive resorts in Mexico.... Personally, if I want to go somewhere, I want to experience that culture and see the place. It was highly advised not to go into Cancun much, definitely during the day and if going into the city to not do so alone and to stay in the main parts. Its just not worth it right now.I think that the best answer would be what Auntie mentioned - let the police get everything under control. But how would they? They have Presidential elections going on right now. I haven't read up alot on the candidates, but are they corrupt, too? Is it going to be just another warm body in that position, who looks the other way while 38 people are beheaded and stuffed into a car, or 9 people are hung from an overpass?
If this was happening in America, what would we do?
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