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Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump immigration rules as U.S. talks loom

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Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump deportation rules as U.S. talks loom | Reuters

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security unveiled plans on Tuesday to consider almost all illegal immigrants subject to deportation, and will seek to send many of them to Mexico if they entered the United States from there, regardless of nationality.
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Mexico's lead negotiator with the Trump administration, Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray, said there was no way Mexico would accept the new rules, which among other things seek to deport non-Mexicans to Mexico.
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LOL. More entertainment here. Will Trump actually go through with this or is it just a bluff? :lol:
 
The Mexicans don't like foreigners?
 
PoS said:
Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump deportation rules as U.S. talks loom | Reuters





LOL. More entertainment here. Will Trump actually go through with this or is it just a bluff? :lol:
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:shrug: The rule makes sense. If they came via the Mexican border then Mexico is responsible. I mean come on, people from El Salvador for example have to literally travel through the southern Mexico border, and through the whole of Mexico in order to get to America. How in the world are they doing that by the thousands if Mexico is properly taking care of their borders like any nation should?
 
Kal'Stang said:
:shrug: The rule makes sense. If they came via the Mexican border then Mexico is responsible. I mean come on, people from El Salvador for example have to literally travel through the southern Mexico border, and through the whole of Mexico in order to get to America. How in the world are they doing that by the thousands if Mexico is properly taking care of their borders like any nation should?
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Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
 
PoS said:
Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump deportation rules as U.S. talks loom | Reuters





LOL. More entertainment here. Will Trump actually go through with this or is it just a bluff? :lol:
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These "hostile" rules have been on the books before and through the Obama Administration. Trump is enforcing them. If congress feels people want illegal aliens, the congress should pass a law allowing it. Until then, Trump is enforcing the law.

And Mexico can go piss up a rope. If they weren't so corrupt, not to mention still having a stupid banking system, half their country run by cartels, and the entire public sector on the take, a political system bricked off from the public in little fiefdoms. And we are supposed to GAS what they think about our laws?

Mexico is a former Spanish colony. There is little hope.
 
PoS said:
Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
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Too bad for Mexico.
 
Kal'Stang said:
:shrug: The rule makes sense. If they came via the Mexican border then Mexico is responsible. I mean come on, people from El Salvador for example have to literally travel through the southern Mexico border, and through the whole of Mexico in order to get to America. How in the world are they doing that by the thousands if Mexico is properly taking care of their borders like any nation should?
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No it doesn't.

Many of them undoubtedly came through Mexico illegally and without Mexican knowledge. And American authorities would be galactically hypocritical if they are condemning Mexico for unknowingly letting illegal aliens in when AMerica is now trying to unload the very same illegals she unknowingly allowed into her country.
That's like saying - 'yeah, we both messed up. But you did it first, so we are blaming you, not us.'

The only way the law would make sense would be if America could prove that Mexico KNOWINGLY allowed them to come through their country on the way to America.

If America knows the nationality of the illegal alien - they can just send them back to that country...THAT is what makes sense.

This is yet another Trump asinine law proposal.
 
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Dear Mexico. You let these aliens travel through your country unfettered.
You can damn well take them back.
 
PoS said:
Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
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Looks like Mexico will be in need of a wall as well. I guess we finally figured out how Trump was going to get them to pay for it.
 
PoS said:
Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
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Not sure why you get that impression. According to the quote you provided it says "and will seek to send many of them to Mexico if they entered the United States from there, regardless of nationality." Considering you quoted it I'd assume that you read it. Didn't you?
 
Kal'Stang said:
:shrug: The rule makes sense. If they came via the Mexican border then Mexico is responsible.
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Yup.

8 USC 1231

(E) Additional removal countries- If an alien is not removed to a country under the previous subparagraphs of this paragraph, the Attorney General shall remove the alien to any of the following countries:

(i) The country from which the alien was admitted to the United States.
(ii) The country in which is located the foreign port from which the alien left for the United States or for a foreign territory contiguous to the United States.
(iii) A country in which the alien resided before the alien entered the country from which the alien entered the United States.
(iv) The country in which the alien was born.
(v) The country that had sovereignty over the alien’s birthplace when the alien was born.
(vi) The country in which the alien’s birthplace is located when the alien is ordered removed.
(vii) If impracticable, inadvisable, or impossible to remove the alien to each country described in a previous clause of this subparagraph, another country whose government will accept the alien into that country.
 
Strange, the Mexicans don't seem as accepting as everyone on the left would have you believe in regards to helping out the poor "immigrants".
 
DA60 said:
No it doesn't.

Many of them undoubtedly came through Mexico illegally and without Mexican knowledge. And American authorities would be galactically hypocritical if they are condemning Mexico for letting illegal aliens in when AMerica is now trying to unload the very same illegals she allowed into her country.

The only way the law would make sense would be if America could prove that Mexico allowed them to come through their country on the way to America.

If America knows the nationality of the illegal alien - they can just send them back to that country...THAT is what makes sense.
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Yeah, it does actually. You are of course free to disagree. The majority of American's have always wanted our immigration laws enforced and didn't want anyone to come here illegally. Can't really say that of Mexico though. Remember that pamphlet that Mexico handed out that described how to enter America safely and illegally and how to stay in the US undetected? Umm...yeah, good proof right there that Mexico is letting illegals enter the US illegal...in fact they're showing them how.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

I don't think Trump would call it a bluff - he will probably term it his "first step in the negotiating process," but he also hasn't changed his mind about having Mexico pay for the border wall, either! :mrgreen: This might be interesting to watch!
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Sure, it is like football, it is a blood sport, with human beings as the ball. Great fun! Get some popcorn, enjoy the show.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Not sure why you get that impression. According to the quote you provided it says "and will seek to send many of them to Mexico if they entered the United States from there, regardless of nationality." Considering you quoted it I'd assume that you read it. Didn't you?
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Do you honestly believe the authorities will stick to that rule if it gets implemented? It looks pretty cart-blanche to me.
 
If they legally went into Mexico and crossed there we should deport them to Mexico and let Mexico deport them to their home country, they would be the ones with the records of them entering Mexico legally. If they illegally entered Mexico we should deport them directly to their home country.
 
For decades Mexico has been complicit in letting illegals from all over the world flood into the US. Now the shoe is about to be on the other foot. I can't wait to see news crews filming buses full of deportees from other countries being dumped out at the Brownsville crossing.

"Vaya con Dios, Mohamed! I hope you like tacos!"
 
PoS said:
Do you honestly believe the authorities will stick to that rule if it gets implemented? It looks pretty cart-blanche to me.
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They don't have a choice. :shrug: Just because it "looks" like something to you doesn't mean that it is that.
 
Ikari said:
So....we're just going to dump all illegal aliens in Mexico regardless of where they came from? I mean, if it were just Mexicans we were deporting back to Mexico, I'd say they can suck it. But I'm not sure about just busing everyone down there.
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Well it did say for people that entered the US from Mexico. So if they came from another country, but still entered the US through Mexico, they'd be sent back to Mexico (I think).
 
TheGoverness said:
Well it did say for people that entered the US from Mexico. So if they came from another country, but still entered the US through Mexico, they'd be sent back to Mexico (I think).
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Hmmm....well that's not quite as bad. Still I feel we're probably just unnecessarily pissing off a one-time ally and we could accomplish competent immigration reform without doing so.
 
PoS said:
Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
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I don't see what the problem is either. Just forge some documents stating that they're Mexicans and then boom problem solved. I bet ICE is better at forging Mexican papers for illegal Bulgarians than Mexican officials are at forging social security numbers for illegal immigrants to the U.S.
 
By law, the US government can deport an alien to a variety of places depending upon the alien's individual circumstances. One lawful option is to return the alien to the country from which he entered the US.

The Mexicans can certainly refuse him at the border; the detention officers aren't going to just shove him across the line if the Aduanas say no. But that's where this will get interesting.

Does Trump make the Mexican government an offer they can't refuse? Mexico has an army with Blackhawks, Humvees, kevlar bodyarmor, and rifles because the USA gave it to them. Are they going to start buying their own military equipment? Mexico doesn't have F-15's and Aircraft carriers. How will they now feel comfortable against the threat of foreign invasion if the USA no longer includes them under their umbrella of protection? The Mexican military exists to control its own populace. How will the government remain in control if they no longer have all those Blackhawks and replacement parts to stop the cartels from taking over Mexico City and ousting the government? The cartels have $billions to spend on mercenaries and weapons.

This is going to be so exciting!
 
Since Mexico's immigration policy and penalty for violating them are much harsher than ours I don't give a damn what they think of our laws.
 
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