Message to all Anti-Americans

[1958rules]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

I just have a question.

Why?

In 1775 we declared war on the British Empire, in the year 1783 we won the war and became our own free country, we were a Democratic Republic. I see a lot of people claiming that the USA is an Empire. We are of no such thing. We are still a Democratic Republic, not a monarchy or an oligarchy.

In the following years we had a Civil War, the Union was victorious, setting all the black slaves free, but our racism and "Jim Crow" laws didnt end untill the 80's or 90's. We got over that problem, up to that point, we are still a Democratic Republic.

On the date 12,7,41 we where obliterated at Pearl Harbor, our Pacific fleet destroyed, open for attack. The next day, war was declared between the USA and the Axis powers, the US once again in another World War to help out their Allies.

But before the second world war, there was a first. And if an event never happened, we would never have joined the Allies. In the teens we were more likely to enter on the axis side. This all changed when The sinking of the Lusitania cruise ship by a German submarine and the Zimmermann note.
The Lusitania was a passenger ship that a German torpedo hit and sunk, killing about 100 US passengers. This ignited the US to join the allies.

Imagine the US joining the Axis, and then again in WWII. If you look at it, there would be no France, there would be no UK, there would be no Russia, hell, even the US wouldn't exist. But we helped the right people, and we won.

Let's not forget the D-Day landings and paradroppings behind enemy lines the night before. Without the Ameicans the landings would have been a terrible slaughter for the Allies.

In the 60's we went to Vietnam to help out the French and the South Vietnamese, we were abandoned and sent to fight a force that memorized the land like we memorize our rooms. The US never lost a battle in Vietnam, we just lost the war with our week politics, just like always.

The United States is a very important contributor to medicine aswell. Without us, you would still be searching for a cure for Small Pox. We have made HUGE advancements in medical science and Military technology. And without us, there would be a Soviet flag on the moon, and the Soviets would still be in the Middle east, and they would have a huge hand in everything. There would still be a communist Soviet Union.

Now please, i'm not looking for a flame war, i just want a simple explanation, i have nothing against anyone of another country. If you have anything to say just comment back.

Lastly, today, from all the bs we recive from ourselves and others. We are STILL a Democratic republic, we STILL have loyal citizens, we STILL have an amazing Armed Force, and we are STILL on this planet. That is all i have to say.

 

[Wiseone]

Now please, i'm not looking for a flame war, i just want a simple explanation,

Lies. (ten characters)

 

[Hoplite]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

I just have a question.

Why?

I think we need to differentiate "dislike" with "critical of".

Simply because you criticize something or find faults with it, doesnt mean you hate or dislike it. We criticize people we love, it doesn't mean we dont love them or hate them.

 

[Gardener]

Simply because you criticize something or find faults with it, doesnt mean you hate or dislike it. We criticize people we love, it doesn't mean we dont love them or hate them.

It does if that's all you ever do.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

I hate freedom yarrrrrr

 

[Harshaw]

It does if that's all you ever do.

It also does if you take particular joy and zeal in it.

 

[Hoplite]

It does if that's all you ever do.

Have you considered there may be more to what a person does than what you see in limited instances?

 

[Barbbtx]

I think we need to differentiate "dislike" with "critical of".

Simply because you criticize something or find faults with it, doesnt mean you hate or dislike it. We criticize people we love, it doesn't mean we dont love them or hate them.

I criticize Obama a lot, and seldom find anything right in his policies. Would that give you the impression that I like him or that I am anti-Obama

 

[Hoplite]

I criticize Obama a lot, and seldom find anything right in his policies. Would that give you the impression that I like him or that I am anti-Obama

Do you actively work to harm him or his attempts to reach his goals?

 

[Barbbtx]

Do you actively work to harm him or his attempts to reach his goals?

Actually yes I guess I do try to stop him from reaching his goals. I do it by trying to educate people on how his policies are wrong for the country and I do it at the voting booth.

 

[Hoplite]

Actually yes I guess I do try to stop him from reaching his goals. I do it by trying to educate people on how his policies are wrong for the country and I do it at the voting booth.

Then yeah I'd say you were anti-Obama.

 

[Barbbtx]

Then yeah I'd say you were anti-Obama.

I already Knew that.

 

[Le Marteau]

The historical list of accomplishments you gave A. was skewed towards a highly Amerocentric and Ameroglorific point of view, and B. failed to mention any of the immoral, greedy, imperialistic, bad, untrsutworthy or 'evil' things America has done.

 

[Michael418]

I don't accept the premise that patriotism means blindly supporting your country in whatever it does, and refusing to call it out when it errs. There is a legitimate difference between reform-minded criticism and anti-American bigotry.

Think of it this way: if you really love a person, and they do something that you know is going to be harmful for them, is the proper course of action to simply shut up and not say anything so that you don't hurt their feelings, or is it to speak out and perhaps keep them from committing a greivous error?

I criticize because I care.

 

[liblady]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

I just have a question.

Why?

In 1775 we declared war on the British Empire, in the year 1783 we won the war and became our own free country, we were a Democratic Republic. I see a lot of people claiming that the USA is an Empire. We are of no such thing. We are still a Democratic Republic, not a monarchy or an oligarchy.

In the following years we had a Civil War, the Union was victorious, setting all the black slaves free, but our racism and "Jim Crow" laws didnt end untill the 80's or 90's. We got over that problem, up to that point, we are still a Democratic Republic.

On the date 12,7,41 we where obliterated at Pearl Harbor, our Pacific fleet destroyed, open for attack. The next day, war was declared between the USA and the Axis powers, the US once again in another World War to help out their Allies.

But before the second world war, there was a first. And if an event never happened, we would never have joined the Allies. In the teens we were more likely to enter on the axis side. This all changed when The sinking of the Lusitania cruise ship by a German submarine and the Zimmermann note.
The Lusitania was a passenger ship that a German torpedo hit and sunk, killing about 100 US passengers. This ignited the US to join the allies.

Imagine the US joining the Axis, and then again in WWII. If you look at it, there would be no France, there would be no UK, there would be no Russia, hell, even the US wouldn't exist. But we helped the right people, and we won.

Let's not forget the D-Day landings and paradroppings behind enemy lines the night before. Without the Ameicans the landings would have been a terrible slaughter for the Allies.

In the 60's we went to Vietnam to help out the French and the South Vietnamese, we were abandoned and sent to fight a force that memorized the land like we memorize our rooms. The US never lost a battle in Vietnam, we just lost the war with our week politics, just like always.

The United States is a very important contributor to medicine aswell. Without us, you would still be searching for a cure for Small Pox. We have made HUGE advancements in medical science and Military technology. And without us, there would be a Soviet flag on the moon, and the Soviets would still be in the Middle east, and they would have a huge hand in everything. There would still be a communist Soviet Union.

Now please, i'm not looking for a flame war, i just want a simple explanation, i have nothing against anyone of another country. If you have anything to say just comment back.

Lastly, today, from all the bs we recive from ourselves and others. We are STILL a Democratic republic, we STILL have loyal citizens, we STILL have an amazing Armed Force, and we are STILL on this planet. That is all i have to say.

perhaps you could enlighten us as to who doesn't like america in this community.

 

[Whovian]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

First, welcome to the board. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Second, I'd have to respectfully disagree with this statement. I see viewpoints from across the board here... liberal, conservative, middle of the road, etc. But I have seen very few who I would say 'dislike Americans' or even 'America itself'.... even the few foreign posters I am personally aware of.

 

[Deuce]

I already Knew that.

Well, Obama is the president. Some of the things he does become things America is doing. If you are against those things, you must be anti-America, according to the OP.

Also, because America did some good things, it clearly has never done any bad things that you have any right to criticize. That includes health care reform, right? America did that. You can't be against that and be for America!!!

Are you with us, or against us, Barbbtx? If you're against us, you must be an Enemy of the State, and not the cool kind with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. The kind that goes to Gitmo and gets drowned, but only for pretend.

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

The historical list of accomplishments you gave A. was skewed towards a highly Amerocentric and Ameroglorific point of view, and B. failed to mention any of the immoral, greedy, imperialistic, bad, untrsutworthy or 'evil' things America has done.

Englishman,

My maternal ancestors were from Donegal. Your people murdered, raped and stole my people's land. We still despise all Englishmen. Your people are evil.

 

[Mensch]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

I just have a question.

Why?

In 1775 we declared war on the British Empire, in the year 1783 we won the war and became our own free country, we were a Democratic Republic. I see a lot of people claiming that the USA is an Empire. We are of no such thing. We are still a Democratic Republic, not a monarchy or an oligarchy.

In the following years we had a Civil War, the Union was victorious, setting all the black slaves free, but our racism and "Jim Crow" laws didnt end untill the 80's or 90's. We got over that problem, up to that point, we are still a Democratic Republic.

On the date 12,7,41 we where obliterated at Pearl Harbor, our Pacific fleet destroyed, open for attack. The next day, war was declared between the USA and the Axis powers, the US once again in another World War to help out their Allies.

But before the second world war, there was a first. And if an event never happened, we would never have joined the Allies. In the teens we were more likely to enter on the axis side. This all changed when The sinking of the Lusitania cruise ship by a German submarine and the Zimmermann note.
The Lusitania was a passenger ship that a German torpedo hit and sunk, killing about 100 US passengers. This ignited the US to join the allies.

Imagine the US joining the Axis, and then again in WWII. If you look at it, there would be no France, there would be no UK, there would be no Russia, hell, even the US wouldn't exist. But we helped the right people, and we won.

Let's not forget the D-Day landings and paradroppings behind enemy lines the night before. Without the Ameicans the landings would have been a terrible slaughter for the Allies.

In the 60's we went to Vietnam to help out the French and the South Vietnamese, we were abandoned and sent to fight a force that memorized the land like we memorize our rooms. The US never lost a battle in Vietnam, we just lost the war with our week politics, just like always.

The United States is a very important contributor to medicine aswell. Without us, you would still be searching for a cure for Small Pox. We have made HUGE advancements in medical science and Military technology. And without us, there would be a Soviet flag on the moon, and the Soviets would still be in the Middle east, and they would have a huge hand in everything. There would still be a communist Soviet Union.

Now please, i'm not looking for a flame war, i just want a simple explanation, i have nothing against anyone of another country. If you have anything to say just comment back.

Lastly, today, from all the bs we recive from ourselves and others. We are STILL a Democratic republic, we STILL have loyal citizens, we STILL have an amazing Armed Force, and we are STILL on this planet. That is all i have to say.

Oh, you popped your cherry. Congratulations and welcome to DP!

 

[VanceMack]

Lastly, today, from all the bs we recive from ourselves and others. We are STILL a Democratic republic, we STILL have loyal citizens, we STILL have an amazing Armed Force, and we are STILL on this planet. That is all i have to say.

Life is seldom as simple as people percieve it...and frequently far less complicated than they make it. Some hate America because they simply dont think. Some hate America because they think too much. Some hate America because they have an inferiority complex. Some because they have a superiority complex (and since we do too...well...narcissists tend to clash). Some have never experienced the 'good' things our government have done, but have certainly lived through the bad. Some can understand the value in keeping an agressive Soviet Union from gaining access to the worlds richest oil fields, while some can only see that our support of people like the Shah has caused death and destruction to their family. Some in VietNam could certainly appreciate the value in keeping Ho from controlling all of VietNam, while some think a unified VietNam under communist rule would have been acceptable, while still some didnt give too much of a rats ass either way because they were rice farmers eeking a living out in the middle of wetlands and didnt appreciate either side slaughtering their neighbors and family members but were pretty sure that at least half of the combatants didnt look like them and to their minds really had no business being there...

...its complicated.

 

[BmanMcfly]

First off, I kind of have a feeling this post is going to get a lot of hype, seeming a lot of people in this community come from a place where the dislike of Americans is pretty high.

I just have a question.

Why?

The neo-cons told us that it was because people hate that we are free... they are jealous.

In 1775 we declared war on the British Empire, in the year 1783 we won the war and became our own free country, we were a Democratic Republic. I see a lot of people claiming that the USA is an Empire. We are of no such thing. We are still a Democratic Republic, not a monarchy or an oligarchy.

In many ways the US is an empire, yes, we live in a democratic republic, HOWEVER, because of executive orders, for all intents and purposes the president IS dictator for his term in office.

In the following years we had a Civil War, the Union was victorious, setting all the black slaves free, but our racism and "Jim Crow" laws didnt end untill the 80's or 90's. We got over that problem, up to that point, we are still a Democratic Republic.

On the date 12,7,41 we where obliterated at Pearl Harbor, our Pacific fleet destroyed, open for attack. The next day, war was declared between the USA and the Axis powers, the US once again in another World War to help out their Allies.

But before the second world war, there was a first. And if an event never happened, we would never have joined the Allies. In the teens we were more likely to enter on the axis side. This all changed when The sinking of the Lusitania cruise ship by a German submarine and the Zimmermann note.
The Lusitania was a passenger ship that a German torpedo hit and sunk, killing about 100 US passengers. This ignited the US to join the allies.

Imagine the US joining the Axis, and then again in WWII. If you look at it, there would be no France, there would be no UK, there would be no Russia, hell, even the US wouldn't exist. But we helped the right people, and we won.

Let's not forget the D-Day landings and paradroppings behind enemy lines the night before. Without the Ameicans the landings would have been a terrible slaughter for the Allies.

In the 60's we went to Vietnam to help out the French and the South Vietnamese, we were abandoned and sent to fight a force that memorized the land like we memorize our rooms. The US never lost a battle in Vietnam, we just lost the war with our week politics, just like always.

That was about the time where there was a turning point in american society, since then there hasn't been a proper declaration of war for example.

The United States is a very important contributor to medicine aswell. Without us, you would still be searching for a cure for Small Pox. We have made HUGE advancements in medical science and Military technology. And without us, there would be a Soviet flag on the moon, and the Soviets would still be in the Middle east, and they would have a huge hand in everything. There would still be a communist Soviet Union.

Let's not forget the post WW2 conflict between the US and Russia... a little mentioned conflict over who got which nazi scientists... the american's called their part in this 'operation paperclip'. I couldn't tell you how much of our technological advancement since that time comes directly from nazi influence, but it's a factor in this. Though, beyond that you make a good point.

Now please, i'm not looking for a flame war, i just want a simple explanation, i have nothing against anyone of another country. If you have anything to say just comment back.

The problem is that americans have had it SO GOOD FOR SO LONG that they never noticed the corruption growing, and while there were ways to stop this from happening, the people were still living the good life and were politically apathetic.

Lastly, today, from all the bs we recive from ourselves and others. We are STILL a Democratic republic, we STILL have loyal citizens, we STILL have an amazing Armed Force, and we are STILL on this planet. That is all i have to say.

But, we are viewed as the bully of the world, we call for peace yet push for war on an essentially continual basis, well, it's not really 'US' it's people who claim to be acting in the interests of 'we the people', when they are really only interested in their own self-interest and so there is the political-corporate revolving door policy that's become more and more apparent, especially since JFK.

Now, when talking about patriotism there are some that believe that it's the patriotic duty to 'follow the president' and others who believe it is patriotic to follow the rule of law...

IMO, the key date though is in 1913 when the federal reserve became america's central bank... they are responsible for funding the eventual military industrial complex, and while they are responsible for a great deal of the prosperity we've seen, they are also responsible for SEVERAL depressions, and now through their 'mandate' for inflation they are turning what was once the world reserve currency and the standard for stable currencies the world over, to something that one day might be as valuable as an zimbabwean note. Because they print the money, they control who gets the loans, who gets the funding, and ultimately down to when we go to war... and so the federal reserve IS the 'empire' acting as a parasite that's tied itself TO THE democratic republic to perform it's evil IN OUR NAME so that america might be brought down to the level of a second or third world status AND to take the blame for their objectives simultaneously. (That agenda is simply the merger of all central banks into a 'global central bank' to run IMF style policies for the entire world.)

 

[Barbbtx]

Well, Obama is the president. Some of the things he does become things America is doing. If you are against those things, you must be anti-America, according to the OP.

]Obama's policies are bad for America. It's my duty as an American to oppose them.

Also, because America did some good things, it clearly has never done any bad things that you have any right to criticize. That includes health care reform, right? America did that. You can't be against that and be for America!!!

There's plenty to criticize. Obamacare is not the American way. It's not good for the economy or our health. It would be un-American in my opinion to support it.

Are you with us, or against us, Barbbtx? If you're against us, you must be an Enemy of the State, and not the cool kind with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. The kind that goes to Gitmo and gets drowned, but only for pretend.

Just who is usDeuce? I am against the people who are out to destroy America with a thousand paper cuts. I am against anyone who is out to fundamentally transform America into something we won't recognize. I am against all socialists, communists, progressives, marxists because they do not believe in capitalism and they believe in redistribution of wealth among other things. I am against all who do not believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
I stand with my friends in the tea party, I stand with my conservative and liberal friends who are willing fight back against those who are trying to change this great country into something she was never meant to be.
2012 can't come soon enough.

 

[R. Shackleferd]

The united states is an evil awful military-industrial empire until someone gets hit by an earthquake or gets flooded or gets plagued with some illness and then provides said nation with military and industry.

One of the reasons why I'm a proponent for non-interventionism is because I'm tired of the US being taken advantage of by a bunch of ingrates.

Masochists like the Salvation Army should be the only ones being taken advantage of like this since I'm not forced to donate to their cause via taxes.

 

[Deuce]

Just who is usDeuce? I am against the people who are out to destroy America with a thousand paper cuts. I am against anyone who is out to fundamentally transform America into something we won't recognize. I am against all socialists, communists, progressives, marxists because they do not believe in capitalism and they believe in redistribution of wealth among other things. I am against all who do not believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
I stand with my friends in the tea party, I stand with my conservative and liberal friends who are willing fight back against those who are trying to change this great country into something she was never meant to be.
2012 can't come soon enough.

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Your head
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But thanks for exactly proving my point, by the way.