According to one of my favorite media watch dogs, yesterday the Sunday talks shows were pushing the idea members of Congress were exempt from Obamacare (PPACA), they are not as pointed out in this article from the Vancouver Washington Columbian.
Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law | The Columbian
WASHINGTON - If Americans remember anything about the 2010 health care law, it might be the president's refrain that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."
Everyone, that is, except members of Congress and their staff members.
A provision inserted into the 2010 Affordable Care Act (ACA) made an exception: House and Senate members and their congressional staff must give up their federal coverage Dec. 31.
Instead, they're required to enroll in plans sold through the new "health exchanges" in their districts or place of residence.
That September 2009 amendment, offered by Republican Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, sprang from the GOP's attempts to derail health care reform. Grassley argued politicians should live with their own law, which he opposed. The amendment survived when Democrats pushed the legislation through six months later without a single Republican vote.
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Now members of Congress will join the earliest initiates to the ACA.
I'm guessing the fact that they will have 70% of their premiums covered by the taxpayers isn't worth mentioning to you?
My guess is that he already knew this, his intention was to deceive.Many workers get their premiums partially covered by their employer. And btw, ObamaCare isn't the legislation that started paying parts of congress's premium. That was around before ObamaCare. They already enjoy the 70% subsidy. So I'm not sure why you say "they will have 70%..." In reality it's "They will continue to have 70%".
Many workers get their premiums partially covered by their employer. And btw, ObamaCare isn't the legislation that started paying parts of congress's premium. That was around before ObamaCare. They already enjoy the 70% subsidy. So I'm not sure why you say "they will have 70%..." In reality it's "They will continue to have 70%".
My guess is that he already knew this, his intention was to deceive.
Agreed. They will continue to enjoy a 70% subsidy. Do you think the same will be true for the rest of us when premiums go through the roof? The federal subsidies are definitely not continued at 70% for the average citizens in the same pay range as a congressional staffer.
Now members of Congress will join the earliest initiates to the ACA.
I am sorry, but you seemed to imply this was new with Obamacare, please accept my apology. I don't believe I left out anything that was pertinent to the story.I was aware, but have no intention to deceive. You, however, conveniently left out that detail. Shall I assume your intention was to deceive?
Unfounded speculation. It's already been reported that states that played along with ObamaCare and set up state exhanges, which is simply a easy to navigate market for health insurance, that provides easy to compare plans from competing health insurance companies, that premiums are generally below what was expected and are more affordable that the CBO had even scored them to be.
HHS: Premiums under ObamaCare lower than expected - The Hill's Healthwatch
I am sorry, but you seemed to imply this was new with Obamacare, please accept my apology. I don't believe I left out anything that was pertinent to the story.
It's not unfounded speculation. It's a question posed to you. If premiums don't increase dramatically, then the 70% won't matter and I'll admit you were correct. Will you do the same if/when they do? Or will you blame the insurance companies and move on?
If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
By all evidence, you mean the article you posted. Meanwhile:
Low-premium, high-deductible health plans are endangered by Affordable Care Act - The Washington Post
Opponents of Obamacare Think Health Care Costs Will Rise - Stephanie Slade (usnews.com)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...emium-joy-under-the-affordable-care-act/?_r=0
Ohio Department of Insurance
Quick Facts about Health Care Reform and Premiums | AHIP Coverage
Why Healthcare Costs Are About To Explode - Forbes
Will Employers Drop Health Insurance Because of the Affordable Care Act? - WSJ.com
Aetna insurance company warns of higher health care costs - Washington Times
ACA premium sticker shock could fuel foes - Brett Norman - POLITICO.com
Lots of opinion pieces peppered with surveys by partisan opponents of the plan.
The only piece based facts is the endangerment of low-premium high-deductible plans because they don't meet the lowest threshold that is considered "health insurance".
As for Ohio...I'm curious about that because most exchanges in big states have ended up seeing prices drop. I guess for some reason blue states are just better at implementing ACA.
Or blue states had higher premiums to begin with and are simply sharing the burden of their mismanagement with the rest of us.
Or blue states had higher premiums to begin with and are simply sharing the burden of their mismanagement with the rest of us.
If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
By all evidence, you mean the article you posted. Meanwhile:
Low-premium, high-deductible health plans are endangered by Affordable Care Act - The Washington Post
Opponents of Obamacare Think Health Care Costs Will Rise - Stephanie Slade (usnews.com)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...emium-joy-under-the-affordable-care-act/?_r=0
Ohio Department of Insurance
Quick Facts about Health Care Reform and Premiums | AHIP Coverage
Why Healthcare Costs Are About To Explode - Forbes
Will Employers Drop Health Insurance Because of the Affordable Care Act? - WSJ.com
Aetna insurance company warns of higher health care costs - Washington Times
ACA premium sticker shock could fuel foes - Brett Norman - POLITICO.com
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