Me Too Movement

[spud_meister]

How do you know that only those who have sexually assaulted someone are targets of the movement?

Because that's what the movement does, target sexual predators.

Have you been accused by Me Too?

No, resoundingly disproving your idea that they're targeting all men.

 

[Indian Giver]

Because that's what the movement does, target sexual predators.

So, how do you know that everyone who is accused is a sexual predator?

 

[Indian Giver]

No, resoundingly disproving your idea that they're targeting all men.

Prove to me that you are not a sexual predator.

Are you getting the idea?

 

[spud_meister]

Prove to me that you are not a sexual predator.

Are you getting the idea?

I've never been accused of being a sexual predator, and I've never put myself in a situation where my actions could be interpreted as sexually predacious. It's not hard to avoid accusation of that type.

 

[spud_meister]

So, how do you know that everyone who is accused is a sexual predator?

I don't. But is seems far more likely than none of them are. If these men didn't put themselves in situations where these accusation, true or false, could arise, then there wouldn't be this issue.

 

[Indian Giver]

I've never been accused of being a sexual predator, and I've never put myself in a situation where my actions could be interpreted as sexually predacious. It's not hard to avoid accusation of that type.

Neither have I. However, just because someone is accused of being a sexual predator does not mean that they are one.

I suggest that you look up Steve Titus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Steve_Titus

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case


https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Rape-Madness-Injustice-Seattle/dp/0385299354

and

John Stoll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_child_abuse_cases

https://www.truthinjustice.org/john-stoll.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/10/magazine/tm-molest32

After reading all of these, do you still believe that every man accused of rape and sexual assault is guilty?

If so, SHAME ON YOU!

Please never be on a jury.

 

[spud_meister]

Neither have I. However, just because someone is accused of being a sexual predator does not mean that they are one.

I suggest that you look up Steve Titus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Steve_Titus

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case

The Seattle Times: Local news: Steve Titus Case


https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Rape-Madness-Injustice-Seattle/dp/0385299354

and

John Stoll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_child_abuse_cases

https://www.truthinjustice.org/john-stoll.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/10/magazine/tm-molest32

After reading all of these, do you still believe that every man accused of rape and sexual assault is guilty?

If so, SHAME ON YOU!

Please never be on a jury.

I don't believe I've ever said every man accused is guilty. However, for every man you find that's been falsely accused, I can find a dozen that were convicted. And if it were possible to acquire the data, I'd guarantee there's a dozen more that never had their crimes reported.

 

[Koke]

Let me let you in a little secret. Women were sexually harassed and assaulted even when they were still treated like property. In fact, rates of sexual assault have actually declined over the years.

Posting a graph that starts in the 1990's is obviously intentional and it is to argue your point.

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

Although the population was lower in the 1960s and early 1970s, rates when adjusted for population for nearly all crime (including rape) are much lower.

 

[Indian Giver]

I don't believe I've ever said every man accused is guilty. However, for every man you find that's been falsely accused, I can find a dozen that were convicted. And if it were possible to acquire the data, I'd guarantee there's a dozen more that never had their crimes reported.

It is better that a dozen guilty men go free than one innocent man be imprisoned or executed.

Steve Titus was innocent. He was found guilty and thanks to the hard work of a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, won a new trial - which he never made. The stress of his ordeal killed him and he died without justice, After death, he was exonerated, but his parents and friends had already expended their life savings in an attempt to save Steve Titus from this nightmare. The young girl he was accused of raping apologized to him while he was still alive. Her rapist lives today - Edward Lee King is incarcerated in Airway Heights Prison near Spokane. He earliest release date is in the 2040's.

John Stoll was completely innocent, just like Titus. He was accused by his own kids who were coached by the prosecutors. Those attorneys were ultimately charged for the miscarriage of justice. Stoll spend nearly 25 years in hell (California state prison) for crimes that he did not commit.

This is what you are supporting, sir. Men who are blameless being absolutely destroyed.

Does your conscience remain clear? How?

 

[spud_meister]

It is better that a dozen guilty men go free than one innocent man be imprisoned or executed.

Steve Titus was innocent. He was found guilty and thanks to the hard work of a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, won a new trial - which he never made. The stress of his ordeal killed him and he died without justice, After death, he was exonerated, but his parents and friends had already expended their life savings in an attempt to save Steve Titus from this nightmare. The young girl he was accused of raping apologized to him while he was still alive. Her rapist lives today - Edward Lee King is incarcerated in Airway Heights Prison near Spokane. He earliest release date is in the 2040's.

John Stoll was completely innocent, just like Titus. He was accused by his own kids who were coached by the prosecutors. Those attorneys were ultimately charged for the miscarriage of justice. Stoll spend nearly 25 years in hell (California state prison) for crimes that he did not commit.

This is what you are supporting, sir. Men who are blameless being absolutely destroyed.

Does your conscience remain clear? How?

You realise these people had their day in court and the justice system failed them right? They weren't convicted by the court of public opinion, but by a fair trial. You're literally claiming it's better women are raped than men have to face court. I'm not the one that needs to check their conscience.

 

[Indian Giver]

You realise these people had their day in court and the justice system failed them right? They weren't convicted by the court of public opinion, but by a fair trial. You're literally claiming it's better women are raped than men have to face court. I'm not the one that needs to check their conscience.

The people that you are against never even had a day in court. They were convicted by the court of public opinion because these alleged victims were too chicken **** to file actual charges.

You believe that any woman who says she was assaulted but doesn't report it to the police is telling the truth.

You are despicable, sir.

 

[grip]

You realise these people had their day in court and the justice system failed them right? They weren't convicted by the court of public opinion, but by a fair trial. You're literally claiming it's better women are raped than men have to face court. I'm not the one that needs to check their conscience.

If the men accused of guilt were eventually found guiltless by facts, then the justice system failed them. And you approve of injustice, because it suits your purpose of an argument for a falsehood of women being raped? Shame on you sir for backing an unjust sentence and outcome, because it fit into a true cause, where women are being unjustly abused and harassed.

 

[HowardBThiname]

So Larry Nassar should've been allowed to continue "treating" kids because he wasn't proven guilty yet, and it would be unfair to take away his job until his innocence was proven?

Read better.

Did you miss where I said anything against the law should be immediately addressed?

Do you think what he did was not against the law? :roll:

 

[HowardBThiname]

You realise these people had their day in court and the justice system failed them right? They weren't convicted by the court of public opinion, but by a fair trial. You're literally claiming it's better women are raped than men have to face court. I'm not the one that needs to check their conscience.

You're getting off-track. The Me Too movement has virtually nothing to do with criminals who broke the law and were found guilty in court. It has everything to do with painting women as victims for offenses as small as conversations.

It's detrimental to women and men both.

 

[spud_meister]

The people that you are against never even had a day in court. They were convicted by the court of public opinion because these alleged victims were too chicken **** to file actual charges.

You believe that any woman who says she was assaulted but doesn't report it to the police is telling the truth.

You are despicable, sir.

The people I'm against never had a day in court because the system failed their victims. It's been proven time and time again that a single woman speaking up against a powerful man will be dismissed, ridiculed and shamed. You need to look at the victims of Bill Clinton to see exactly that. The system failed these people precisely because of attitudes like yours, who dismiss allegations regardless of context, and who think unreported rape is preferable to false accusations.

 

[spud_meister]

If the men accused of guilt were eventually found guiltless by facts, then the justice system failed them. And you approve of injustice, because it suits your purpose of an argument for a falsehood of women being raped? Shame on you sir for backing an unjust sentence and outcome, because it fit into a true cause, where women are being unjustly abused and harassed.

Where, exactly, have I claimed any of the nonsense you've spouted in this post?

 

[HowardBThiname]

So it's always been happening, it's only now that we've reached a tipping point where women are able to come forward.[/COLOR]

Not to mention that it's been so extensive in the workplace that today, for at least the past 15 years, large corporations and now smaller businesses have REQUIRED sexual harassment training in order to save their asses in court.

Women have always been able to come forward, but if an "incident" did not rise to the level of needing to publicly humiliate someone, they wisely did not. The fact that they're doing it now does nothing to make them appear strong and equal to males. It does just the opposite. It defines women by their sex and it labels them as victims. Socially -- it's a giant step backward for women.

That's not all the Me Too movement hurts -- it hurts real victims of sexual assault by lumping petty incidents such as a man making a verbal pass or brushing against them in the same category as rape. Huge mistake.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Where, exactly, have I claimed any of the nonsense you've spouted in this post?

That's exactly what you've been advocating -- propping up the Me Too movement -- accepting the accusations as true, despite those men never having been convicted in a court of law.

 

[spud_meister]

You're getting off-track. The Me Too movement has virtually nothing to do with criminals who broke the law and were found guilty in court. It has everything to do with painting women as victims for offenses as small as conversations.

It's detrimental to women and men both.

:shrug: Indian Giver brought it up. The point of the Me Too movement is to remove the stigma and shaming that comes with reporting sexual assault, so as to ensure that individuals need not wait for favourable social conditions in 10 years time to be able to report crimes without repercussions.

 

[spud_meister]

That's exactly what you've been advocating -- propping up the Me Too movement -- accepting the accusations as true, despite those men never having been convicted in a court of law.

Where, exactly, have I said accusations must be accepted as true?

 

[sangha]

>Libertarian
>an actual goddamn Nazi

If this guy ran for office as a Democrat before being driven back into the far-right fringe, would you actually consider him a Democrat? I certainly wouldn't, and I don't consider a rejected Libertarian candidate that limped back to the Alt-Right to be a Libertarian. This isn't even a "no true Scotsman" situation, he's literally not a big-L Libertarian.

Fair enough, but a goat-blood drinking Libertarian? No way in hell was I not going to post that

 

[HowardBThiname]

Where, exactly, have I said accusations must be accepted as true?

That's what the Me Too movement is all about -- pointing fingers for petty offenses, such as catcalls or making a pass, or asking a woman on a date. These things should not be lumped in with rape. Yet, that's what's happening. And, it's not good for anyone, male or female.

 

[Waddy]

They need to go through the process. If they're innocent, a defamation lawsuit should be easy. Or are you realising that seeking due process through the law is a slow and painful process that often has ineffective results?

Proving a negative is never easy. Impossible in most cases. Proving a crime has been committed is much easier. A warrant and the perp goes to jail immediately.

 

[sangha]

Being married man just means being around your children. She has the custody. Take her to court and you'll find that out.

Wrong

 

[sangha]

Yes, some did. It was the price of staying alive usually. Im not sure how this applies to porn stars who get raped on the set.

Maybe those porn stars particiated in order to stay alive. Same goes for many other rape victims