Oh hell yeah! Tuna and spiny lobster are very cheap here, I eat them close to twice a week! :chew:
Where are you that a good burger is hard to find?
Take this:
(sirloin steak)
And this:
(chuck steak)
Put it through this:
Then decide how you like your burgers and turn it into something like this:
If you can't figure that out, you don't deserve a good burger.
The poor will continue to be poor so long as they are not forced to improve their own situation in life. They are largely poor because they have done it to themselves, made bad decisions and failed to take advantage of opportunities when they had the chance. Who else is to blame for their situation? You refuse to acknowledge their part in their own failures.
Where are you that a good burger is hard to find?
Take this:
(sirloin steak)
And this:
(chuck steak)
Put it through this:
Then decide how you like your burgers and turn it into something like this:
If you can't figure that out, you don't deserve a good burger.
Won't sell any more crapburgers. They won't cut the price, will they, and crap is crap, no matter how fast it lands in your lap.
I agree. That's my point. And they deserve to die.
Yet I've read that every chain that has bought them them has found them to be a good investment.
'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.
Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.
McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'
McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post
This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).
If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.
It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
you still don't get it have a nice day.
it isn't about selling more burgers if they lower their operating costs by getting rid of 3 or 4 people then they dont' have to sell more burgers.
Grew up in San Diego. Spiny Lobster (bugs) and tuna were a way of life. As a kid I was actually sick of lobster. Those were the days.Oh hell yeah! Tuna and spiny lobster are very cheap here, I eat them close to twice a week! :chew:
You still don't get it cutting cost is a short term solution, until McDonald’s figures out why sales are slumping they will still have a problem
Like I said earlier, the 'acceleration' will be IMO small.
"Promote the modernization..." Sounds good, but means little.
You going to teach a person with an IQ of 80 to fix robots?
And if a person with few skills doesn't catch on, they get to beg, their children go without healthcare, die early of treatable illness or disease, etc.?
That's what I expected. No attempt to actually have an honest discussion.
Thanks for the mouthwatering pics but USDA prime beef is extremely expensive and imported in frozen where I am so it aint practical to do what you are suggesting. When I do buy USDA prime I pretty much cook it as a steak.
That's what I do - I just don't ground the steak. I actually cut up a nice skirt steak and mix it with my ground beef... It makes for a really tasty burger. I also throw bread crumbs and Worcestershire sauce into the ground beef and steak mix - make my patty's and throw them on the grill. Everyone loves them because they're "chewy" because of the steak, so it's like getting the best of both worlds - a burger and a steak. haha
The largest employer of unskilled workers in the country is already testing automated cashiers in CA so the cost barrier is likely crossed even without a $15 minimum wage.
So it's not really any different than most government projects.
No, that IQ range is capable of robot assembly and packaging which, as an actual marketable skill, pays more than minimum wage already.
"Doesn't catch on"? What does that mean? And nice straw man you built there ... apparently arguing that unskilled labor will be replaced by automation is an endorsement of the abolition of all social services! :roll:
Were you expecting me to respond to your straw man arguments before you actually posted them?
Exactly my point. And that equipment will get even cheaper.
Which ones? Building planes, Medicare, SS?
They might be, but there aren't any jobs assembling and packaging robots.
Sheesh, I asked this: "But beyond that, is there any role for government or society?"
You responded: " If there is a job for Government it is to promote the modernization of the work force. If people refuse to make use of the ample services already provided to help them gain a marketable skill then what more does society owe them?"
So now you're saying we ALSO owe them social services beyond "promoting the modernization of the work force?" So you wouldn't let poor children die of preventable disease if their mothers 'refused to...gain a marketable skill'? You're contradicting yourself.
No, I was expecting what I got, which wasn't much except a long trip avoiding an honest discussion.
I'm confused; what does ordering a burger on tablet have to do with minimum wage? This seems a bit of a stretch...
If you are force to raise your operating costs, then you look for places to cut costs to offset the increase. This is a logical place to start. At least they haven't invested automated burger cooker/assemblers yet (raise the MW to $15 and you will see them though).
When I heard about this idea, I imagined something that White Castles already does and that is ordering up the burger (from home) and coming and getting it.
Right-Wing utopia is where everyone makes a buck an hour and Uncle Sam picks up tab for what employers don't pay, but bitch about Uncle Sam picking up the tab.
'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.
Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.
McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'
McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post
This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).
If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.
It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
Sooooo... it is your argument that the accelerated loss of unskilled labor after a minimum wage increase will be small because unskilled labor is already doomed? You don't think doubling the cost of unskilled labor will prompt more businesses to start going the automation route, and tip the scales on McDonald's decision on their automation trials?
The government doesn't build planes and Medicare and SS are doomed... so good job in your examples there, chief! :thumbs:
I'm betting you haven't looked.
I asked you what you think we owe them, I never stated my opinion on it. And my response was to your point that automation would kill unskilled jobs when there are no other jobs. Do you think the government owes them a job that sinks to their level? Do you think anyone owes them that? What you propose would kill SKILLED jobs to protect unskilled jobs. In other words, it is societal poison.
If McDonald's were to automate their cashier system nationwide there would be a billion dollar industry formed over night to supply McDonald's demands and and well paying career jobs to replace the unskilled jobs being lost. You see this as a bad thing, I see this as progress.
This has nothing to do with the minimum wage whatsoever. Also I know that McDonald's can afford to pay its workers $15/hr because they do that in other countries around the world.
"Even in countries with a high minimum wage, the golden arches manage to turn a profit. Here's how." (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-magical-world-where-mcdonalds-pays-15-an-hour-its-australia/278313/)
Will McDonald's charge higher prices if the minimum wage goes up? Yes, but either way we are going to pay. It's either going to be through increased McDonalds prices or it is going to be through the government in the form of paying for increased social services to poor workers.
No, that would be left-wing utopia. Right wing utopia would be not having the government involved at all and people making what they were actually worth.
At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
But you've already expressed your opinion if their worth doesn't pay the bills - "Screw em."
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