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McCain Tells Ellen DeGeneres: You Shouldn’t Have The Right To Get Married

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Think Progress McCain Tells Ellen DeGeneres: You Shouldn’t Have The Right To Get Married

McCain said that he opposes gay marriage, but said couples should be able to allowed to enter into legal agreements:

McCAIN: Well, my thoughts are that I think people should be able to enter into legal agreements, and I think that is something that we should encourage, particularly in the case of insurance and other areas, decisions that have to be made. I just believe in the unique status of marriage between man and woman. And I know that we have a respectful disagreement on that issue.

DEGENERES: Yeah, I mean, I think that it is looked at, and some people are saying that blacks and women did not have the right to vote. Women just got the right to vote in 1920, blacks didn’t have the right to vote until 1870, and it just feels like there’s this old way of thinking that we’re not all the same. We are all the same people. All of us. You’re no different than I am. Our love is the same.”

The audience was largely silent for McCain’s remarks, but cheered loudly after Ellen spoke. Watch it:
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Im all for it. Live and let live.
 
Gay people should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us.
 
I'm surprised McCain came on a show where he knew he would get the gay marriage question, and where he'd have to give an answer unpopular with the crowd.

That being said I strongly dislike his answer.
 
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Looks like gramps is shoring up his base. ;)
 
Mccain basically said in that statement the legal status can be the same what more do ya want
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Think Progress McCain Tells Ellen DeGeneres: You Shouldn’t Have The Right To Get Married
DEGENERES: Yeah, I mean, I think that it is looked at, and some people are saying that blacks and women did not have the right to vote. Women just got the right to vote in 1920, blacks didn’t have the right to vote until 1870, and it just feels like there’s this old way of thinking that we’re not all the same. We are all the same people. All of us. You’re no different than I am. Our love is the same.”



Im all for it. Live and let live.
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It always amuses me when people compare sexual deviancy to race or gender,As though choosing to have sex with someone of the same gender is somehow equal to something you can't choose like skin color or gender.Thats like a teenager with a broken nail bitching and moaning to a woman with a couple of kids about how painful her broken nail is.I know lets compare a can of soda to heroin or Berkly,California to Bagbad,Iraq.Perhaps we can also compare fat people and smokers to racial minorities and women.
 
WI Crippler said:
I am of the same mindset. "You want it? You got it. All of it"
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They'll have it for a month, realize it's not all it's cracked up to be and then go crawling back to being 'partners'.
 
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jamesrage said:
It always amuses me when people compare sexual deviancy to race or gender,As though choosing to have sex with someone of the same gender is somehow equal to something you can't choose like skin color or gender.Thats like a teenager with a broken nail bitching and moaning to a woman with a couple of kids about how painful her broken nail is.I know lets compare a can of soda to heroin or Berkly,California to Bagbad,Iraq.Perhaps we can also compare fat people and smokers to racial minorities and women.
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It's not ridiculous as far as how much I care.

As in, why would I care about a person's sexual deviancy any more than their skin colour? Or how fat they are, if they smoke, etc?
 
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jamesrage said:
It always amuses me when people compare sexual deviancy to race or gender,As though choosing to have sex with someone of the same gender is somehow equal to something you can't choose like skin color or gender.Thats like a teenager with a broken nail bitching and moaning to a woman with a couple of kids about how painful her broken nail is.I know lets compare a can of soda to heroin or Berkly,California to Bagbad,Iraq.Perhaps we can also compare fat people and smokers to racial minorities and women.
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Aren't heterosexuals defined by their gender preference just like homosexuals are? By your standard heterosexuals don't have a right/privilege to marriage either.
 
Hatuey said:
They'll have it for a month, realize it's not all it's cracked up to be and then go crawling back to being 'partners'.
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Crawling? ****, I'm thinking more like sprinting. :2razz:
 
WI Crippler said:
I am of the same mindset. "You want it? You got it. All of it"
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lol... gay male relationships are nowhere near the same as straight ones:
  1. They are of the same gender. That gives us many things in common right off the bat.
  2. Many gay male relationships are sexually open. We are men so we understand sex can be just about getting off. Cheating does exist in the gay world and some men are upset by it, but in general, it is not enough to end a relationship. If anything, it strengthens it.
  3. Relationships involving 3 members or frequent 3-ways are not uncommon. Prevents boredom.
  4. There is no monthly mood swings to deal with or get away from. Less tension.
  5. Rarely hear "I have a headache". Both (or all) members are ready and willing at all times.
  6. Having babies is not a risk. That removes some financial worries.

I am sure there are more, just cannot think of them right now. And of course, these are all generalizations.

So to respond to people who say things like "You want it? You got it. All of it"..... :rofl:laughat::2rofll::lamo

...... it is not the same. I doubt marriage will change this.
 
One thing that I really liked about the interview and what I give McCain and Ellen both respect for is that it was a very divisive issue...yet handled in a respectable way....appropriate for the show.
 
When are people gonna wake up? Gay folks are here to stay and this is the USA! Give em freedom and stop hating! End of story!
 
galenrox said:
It would be a very good thing for Republicans if gay marriage is an issue in this election, because there hasn't been any ideological shift on the issue in anywhere that it will matter electorally.
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I disagree. The majority of American people may still be opposed to gay marriage, but I think an even bigger majority would be turned off by a candidate who made it an issue at a time when we're in a total catastrophe in Iraq, have a housing crisis (and possible recession) on our hands, and American soft power is at an all-time low.

Especially if the candidate who makes it an issue is John McCain. I get the distinct impression that McCain is more enlightened on this issue than he lets on...and I think it would undercut his image as a straight-talker to talk about gay marriage any more than necessary. He seems very uncomfortable doing so.
 
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This is one of the only issues I agree with McCain on.

I agree on giving them the legal rights that come with marriage.
And i agree in protecting them from hate crimes.

I do not believe in having a society that openly accepts it as a normal condition.
Pretending its a normal marriage sends the wrong message to society and to our children.
Being gay is not a choice a child has to make. Its an abnormality.

I would agree to anything else that ensures they have the same rights as everyone else.
They have the right to get married... to the opposite sex, just like everyone else.

I saw the Ellen interview.
She made a comment along the lines of, "We let them get married here and straight people realized that it did nothing to them."
It actually did do something...
It opened the door for it to spread, gain momentum, and led to the very interview and discussion she was having.

We are trying to do the same thing with Marijuana through the medical Marijuana movement.
(Foot in the door)
 
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lol... gay male relationships are nowhere near the same as straight ones:
  1. They are of the same gender. That gives us many things in common right off the bat.
  2. Many gay male relationships are sexually open. We are men so we understand sex can be just about getting off. Cheating does exist in the gay world and some men are upset by it, but in general, it is not enough to end a relationship. If anything, it strengthens it.
  3. Relationships involving 3 members or frequent 3-ways are not uncommon. Prevents boredom.
  4. There is no monthly mood swings to deal with or get away from. Less tension.
  5. Rarely hear "I have a headache". Both (or all) members are ready and willing at all times.
  6. Having babies is not a risk. That removes some financial worries.

I am sure there are more, just cannot think of them right now. And of course, these are all generalizations.

So to respond to people who say things like "You want it? You got it. All of it"..... :rofl:laughat::2rofll::lamo

...... it is not the same. I doubt marriage will change this.
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This is something I am coming to accept in my old age. We are not like heteros in our interactions. I think our emotional bonds are deeper and our physical bonds are far more earthy and...well...physical. I have come to understand that I like variety physically but I love constancy when it comes to my emotional bonds. Physical pleasure is physical pleasure while the deep abiding love I feel for my partner is strong and true. I am much more forgiving of carnal daliances than my father would have been because I understand what a fleshly diversion means to me: nothing. A physical act of lust is not as penetrating as the trust it takes to tie my bank accounts to another person.

I just wish I had come to understand these things when I was younger. I think I missed out on a great deal of pleasure because I was too demanding a lover what with wanting what straight people had and all.
 
Not all gay men are down with stepping out on a partner and lesbians, in my opinion, are even worse when it comes to jealousy then straight gals. Just saying.
 
I actually watched this segment on YouTube and I've got to say I think it was a draw. Both Ellen and McCain handled themselves very well. Its true, McCain didn't really say much and was vastly outnumbered so he stayed quiet, but he wasn't disrespectful or condescending. He just disagreed. I dig that.

Ellen was on the offensive but was still tactful. I liked how she ended it "I hope someday we'll be able to call ourselves married too." She never came off as snapping at him which often happens in this type of debate.

McCain +1 / Ellen +1
 
There is no "freedom" to entitle yourself to benefits that you are unqualified for. Gay couples are unqualified to receive the benefits that have been set up by the public to encourage marriage. The public has largely expressed in recent referendums that they want marriage as it relates to affairs of government, to be defined as being between a man and a woman. The public has the right to do this.

I am a stanch advocate for federalism ~ the equal balance of power among the States, the people and the government. I believe in very few roles for the Federal government, and would like to see most federal laws abolished along with many "positive" federal rights; including: federal marriage considerations.

I believe that most "positive rights" should be kept mainly within the role of the State government. This would let state voters, like the one's in Massachusetts, legally offer the same considerations to same-sex couples as traditionally married couples and not compel the rest of the country to go along with it.

As it is, people continue to negotiate "positive rights" with the government. And as long as they do, the public is entitled to set the criteria for the qualifications for such considerations.

Make no mistake, the people are being discriminatory when they define marriage between a man and a woman, but it's not discrimination.

The public currently supports defining marriage as between a man and a woman. All men and women are free to marry.

If the public wants to make "love" the criteria for legal marriage qualification, they can.
 
Indy said:
I actually watched this segment on YouTube and I've got to say I think it was a draw. Both Ellen and McCain handled themselves very well. Its true, McCain didn't really say much and was vastly outnumbered so he stayed quiet, but he wasn't disrespectful or condescending. He just disagreed. I dig that.

Ellen was on the offensive but was still tactful. I liked how she ended it "I hope someday we'll be able to call ourselves married too." She never came off as snapping at him which often happens in this type of debate.

McCain +1 / Ellen +1
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Yeah the whole thing was handled well by both parties. Wasn't anything like the freak show with Rosie and Tom Selleck going at it over the NRA. Now that was funny.
 
Yeah yeah. Gay marriage civil rights equal union blah blah blah. What I want to know is who the hell would marry Ellen DeGeneres anyways? Ann Heche left that broad for some dick. She got with Ellen and soon afterward said "Hell with this...I want a man again".

Scared straight indeed.
 
Gipper said:
Yeah yeah. Gay marriage civil rights equal union blah blah blah. What I want to know is who the hell would marry Ellen DeGeneres anyways? Ann Heche left that broad for some dick. She got with Ellen and soon afterward said "Hell with this...I want a man again".

Scared straight indeed.
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Are you kidding? That Portia gal is hot!
 
When it comes to gay marriage both Obama and McCain have the same position.............Civil Unions..........
 
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