Maybe Tim Walz is the leader of the Dems?

[poweRob]

At least until they run out of other people's money.

Yet another oft repeated pablum right out of the fascist manifesto. It'll be interesting the day I see you try to use your own words.

 

[poweRob]

Exactly. Both major parties seem much more interested in what bathroom a transgender uses than fixing any of the problems facing this country today.

There is a lot of political and media influence in trying to tell us what to hate. It's a great and effective distraction to making any actual changes. The statys quo lovers are funding keeping it the way it is.

 

[aociswundumho]

Yet another oft repeated pablum right out of the fascist manifesto.

Fascists supported the same social welfare programs you do:

By 1925, the Fascist government had "embarked upon an elaborate program" that included food supplementary assistance, infant care, maternity assistance, general healthcare, wage supplements, paid vacations, unemployment benefits, illness insurance, occupational disease insurance, general family assistance, public housing and old age and disability insurance.

Economy of fascist Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[poweRob]

Fascists supported the same social welfare programs you do:

Economy of fascist Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is the reality and is what you support.

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini​

 

[Theowl32]

Three communists.

You people need your own political party. I suggest calling it the Neo-Bolshevik party.

They'll stick with democrat for now..

 

[LouC]

Maybe Tim Walz is the leader of the Dems?​

Nope.

We Dems are currently leaderless and rudderless and pretty much clueless.

We are pretty locked in on staying that way until the end of Trump-MAGA, if that ever comes.

 

[SoCal]

People like myself only argued that Democrats follow both international and American law....

I agree

...that's not asking for perfect. I blame Democrats for ceding to fascism, which always helps fascism.

They could always do more, but I'd rather be governed by Harris, than a authorian who acts just like an outright fascist.

And btw I agree, as of now until someone else steps up, Waltz is the best face for the Democrats...

 

[Dans La Lune]

I agree


They could always do more, but I'd rather be governed by Harris, than a authorian who acts just like an outright fascist.

And btw I agree, as of now until someone else steps up, Waltz is the best face for the Democrats...

I agree on paper. I'd rather be governed by Harris than Trump, sure. Throw a dart in a crowd and I'd rather be governed by the person it hits than Trump. Trump's going to cause a lot of suffering. But it was never in my hands, Harris was always going to lose (since she lost). If I'm being asked to throw my vote away (on Harris), what is the benefit? It wouldn't make me feel good. It wouldn't promote anything I believe in. It wouldn't even get the vote-shaming losers off my back. I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020, and that STILL didn't get them off my back.

I honestly don't see how people who supported Biden as of 2024 can criticize Trump's Israel/Gaza policy with any credibility. It literally wouldn't have happened without Biden. Had liberals held firm on this one thing, it never would have happened. Biden continued this policy because he felt he could get away with it. And Harris felt secure enough in supporting Biden's policy to campaign with Liz Cheney.

Actions have consequences. Blaming voters is just stupid (not you, but other people doing that).

 

[braindrain]

What in the world makes you kneel before mediabiasfactcheck.org site without any question?

Oh btw...

GovTrack Removes 2019 Webpage Labelling Harris as Most Liberal Senator​

It was as always bullshit rw click bait story to make "liberal" a boogeyman word against the candidate.

Oh look, just as Obama was running for president... He was rated the most liberal senator. And Hillary too!!!!! What a remarkable coincidence.

National Journal: Obama Most Liberal Senator In 2007

Hillary Clinton Tied For 16th Most Liberal In Ratings Of "Key Senate Votes"

www.cbsnews.com

All three of them are centrist establishment Dems and you are here believing that all of them were to the left of Bernie Sanders because a website said so in the election year. You guys are so easily duped.

Ahh so now the left has a problem with that site. Funny as I see them use it all the time.

Yes it all a conspiracy out to get you and your fellow progressives. You sound just like the maga clowns.

 

[braindrain]

The one problem with progressives is that since our policies are very VERY popular, it attracts opportunistic liars. People who ride prog policies into office land the position and then pull the right wing ripcord to chase the money. Betray everyone. Sinema was a green party person, flipped to Dem to have a better chance at winning while running on prog principles, got into office and ran to the right for money. Looks like Fetterman is in the middle of doing this now. Tulsi Gabbard pulled this shit too.

You mean your policies are popular as long as they don’t have to paid payed for by the people wanting the free stuff. Funny how progressives always leave that bit out.

 

[poweRob]

You mean your policies are popular as long as they don’t have to paid payed for by the people wanting the free stuff. Funny how progressives always leave that bit out.

Polls are polls. You'll just have to get over the fact that you are deep in a minority when it comes to policies. Not my fault.

 

[poweRob]

You mean your policies are popular as long as they don’t have to paid payed for by the people wanting the free stuff. Funny how progressives always leave that bit out.

Pathetic comeback to me showing you your claims are such bullshit. Do go ahead with your loyalty with that click bait comment by explaining how Hillary, Obama, and Kamala were all senators more left then Bernie Sanders. You know it's wrong but the last thing you'll ever do at this point is admit it.

 

[braindrain]

Polls are polls. You'll just have to get over the fact that you are deep in a minority when it comes to policies. Not my fault.

Yeah and the polls show your supposed popular policies lose that popularity the moment people are asked if they are willing to pay for those programs.

But hey keep burning your head in the sand. It’s what progressives are good at.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Tim “Blue Falcon” Walz. The guy who supposedly carried “weapons of war” but can’t load his own shotgun.

Run him. Please run him.

 

[poweRob]

Yeah and the polls show your supposed popular policies lose that popularity the moment people are asked if they are willing to pay for those programs.

But hey keep burning your head in the sand. It’s what progressives are good at.

You just keep denying absolute facts. It's what maga is known for.

 

[braindrain]

Pathetic comeback to me showing you your claims are such bullshit. Do go ahead with your loyalty with that click bait comment by explaining how Hillary, Obama, and Kamala were all senators more left then Bernie Sanders. You know it's wrong but the last thing you'll ever do at this point is admit it.

It’s seems in your poutrage you can’t even manage to respond to the right post.
Maybe take a few deep calming breaths.

Look I get it really hurts your pride that progressives are simply not bet popular. Cant even get your more left wing presidential candidates the democratic nomination let alone win at the national level. But hey look on the bright side. Trumps stupidity is going to help swing the pendulum to the left. Maybe far enough to give you a chance.

 

[braindrain]

You just keep denying absolute facts. It's what maga is known for.

If that is what you have to tell yourself to sooth your butthurt then I say go for it.

 

[poweRob]

It’s seems in your poutrage you can’t even manage to respond to the right post.
Maybe take a few deep calming breaths.

Look I get it really hurts your pride that progressives are simply not bet popular. Cant even get your more left wing presidential candidates the democratic nomination let alone win at the national level. But hey look on the bright side. Trumps stupidity is going to help swing the pendulum to the left. Maybe far enough to give you a chance.

I responded just as intended. You pretending I didn't blow up your stupid "Most libertalistSSS!11111!!!! angle by showing you it happens to every dem candidate for prez. It's a lie. You are spreading a lie. Hard to blame you though. It's just what magas do.

 

[poweRob]

If that is what you have to tell yourself to sooth your butthurt then I say go for it.

Projection.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obama ran on hope and change and a progressive platform, won and was given TWO SUPER-MAJORITIES, and lost them after passing Republican-inspired healthcare. Why did he lose them?

Majorities are won by taking swing districts/states. Large majorities are won by winning opposition (in this case red) districts/states. The people that make the majority are the Dems you despise the most, the ones who represent red areas. They are also, by definition, the reps in the most precarious position, in that they hold enemy territory and represent a median voter far to the right of the Democratic Party. These were by and large the Blue Dogs.

In the summer of 2009, The Economist said the following regarding the Blue Dog Coalition: "The debate over health care ... may be the pinnacle of the group's power so far." The Economist quoted Charlie Stenholm, a founding Blue Dog, as stating that "This is the first year for the new kennel in which their votes are really going to make a difference".[21] In July 2009, Blue Dog members who were committee members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee successfully delayed the House vote on the Health Insurance Reform Bill (HR3200) until after the summer recess.[22][23] It was during this recess that the term 'Obamacare' was first derisively adopted by Republicans on Capitol Hill.[24] Blue Dog opposition to a potential "public option" within Obamacare, together with the contentious town hall meetings faced by House members during the 2009 summer recess, gave the healthcare bill's Republican opponents an opportunity to attack the public option. However, on Nov. 7, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Affordable Health Care for America Act 220 - 215[25] - a bill that would "provide health coverage to almost every American" by creating "a public health insurance option to compete with private insurers."[26][27][28] In fact, a majority of the Blue Dogs actually voted for the health care bill, by a 28 to 24 margin.[29]

The Washington Post stated that the Blue Dogs, with over 50 members, were the most influential voting bloc in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010.[30]

So yes, Gatsby is correct that those majorities were inevitably going to disappear due to a combination of (1) reversion to the mean, and (2) the Dems doing big things with their majorities, polarizing red districts against their (temporarily) blue reps.

But if you think that supermajority was ever going to pass single-payer health care, then I don't think you have much of a recollection of that group or that moment in history.

 

[SoCal]

I agree on paper. I'd rather be governed by Harris than Trump, sure. Throw a dart in a crowd and I'd rather be governed by the person it hits than Trump. Trump's going to cause a lot of suffering. But it was never in my hands, Harris was always going to lose (since she lost)...

Since she lost, she was always going to lose?? No one knew for certain who would win.

...If I'm being asked to throw my vote away (on Harris), what is the benefit? It wouldn't make me feel good. It wouldn't promote anything I believe in. It wouldn't even get the vote-shaming losers off my back. I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020, and that STILL didn't get them off my back...

No one asked you to throw your vote away, you did that on your own. Better to have vote-shamers on your back, than not voting. And it doesn't matter if Hillary, Biden or Harris didn't promote anything you believed, what matters is that Trump is going to do more harm to the Palestinians and probably all the other things you believe in than any Democrat would do. Get real, better to have a glass half full than empty.

...I honestly don't see how people who supported Biden as of 2024 can criticize Trump's Israel/Gaza policy with any credibility. It literally wouldn't have happened without Biden. Had liberals held firm on this one thing, it never would have happened. Biden continued this policy because he felt he could get away with it. And Harris felt secure enough in supporting Biden's policy to campaign with Liz Cheney...

I just can't believe you think Biden's policies on Israel/Gaza would have been the same or worse than if Trump had won in 2020, you're smarter than that. Biden may not have gotten much done for the Palestinians, but you can bet that someone like Trump who admires and idolizes someone like Netanyahu will treat them much worse. Trump actually uses 'Palestinian' as a cuss word. I believe Harris would have accomplished much more, but however much, you have to know they're ******ed with Trump in the WH.

...Actions have consequences. Blaming voters is just stupid (not you, but other people doing that).

Feel free to call me stupid, I would say the same about those who helped Trump by not voting, or voting for a 3rd party. Yes, I blame the all the voters actions for putting a pathological lying, convicted authorian lush in the WH. You can have the last word, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this...

 

[braindrain]

I responded just as intended. You pretending I didn't blow up your stupid "Most libertalistSSS!11111!!!! angle by showing you it happens to every dem candidate for prez. It's a lie. You are spreading a lie. Hard to blame you though. It's just what magas do.

You clearly didn’t and that you don’t have the integrity to admit to your mistake shows just how butt hurt you really are.

And I am sorry but you not liking what they rating says don’t carry more weight then their very high ratings for being least biased and most factual. Your hurt feelings are simply not that important.

You thinking your feelings and opinions are more important then facts shows that you are a lot more like maga then I will ever be.

But then anyone who pays any attention knows that the far left and the far right are two sides of the same coin.

 

[braindrain]

Projection.

Why would I be butt hurt about you whining and trying to claim that a site that is ranked least biased and most factual is accurately far right.

 

[poweRob]

You clearly didn’t and that you don’t have the integrity to admit to your mistake shows just how butt hurt you really are.

And I am sorry but you not liking what they rating says don’t carry more weight then their very high ratings for being least biased and most factual. Your hurt feelings are simply not that important.

You thinking your feelings and opinions are more important then facts shows that you are a lot more like maga then I will ever be.

But then anyone who pays any attention knows that the far left and the far right are two sides of the same coin.

You did read it on the internet so it has to be true. Even though I showed you that they say that about every dem prez candidate. Still not going to explain how Kamala, Hillary and Obama are all to the left of Bernie Sanders. I don't blame you because you can't. And that you keep fighting while dancing around that fact show how it is you that lacks any integrity. The only person here whining is you whining about how I don't buy that ridiculous ratings story. Eat it up though. It's not me looking stupid for believing such nonsense.

 

[braindrain]

You did read it on the internet so it has to be true. Even though I showed you that they say that about every dem prez candidate. Still not going to explain how Kamala, Hillary and Obama are all to the left of Bernie Sanders. I don't blame you because you can't. And that you keep fighting while dancing around that fact show how it is you that lacks any integrity. The only person here whining is you whining about how I don't buy that ridiculous ratings story. Eat it up though. It's not me looking stupid for believing such nonsense.

Keep denying reality, it’s a good look for you. Shows just how similar you and your maga relatives are.

And no you didn’t show that. You linked to a completely different source. But nice try.

But no your butt hurt is pretty obvious. It’s why you not only couldn’t keep what you were responding to straight but then had to lie about it.
That you think it is me looking stupid while you rant about a source that is rated least biased and most factual is actually a far right wing source is hilarious. You probably need to take a look in a mirror.

But I know that is impossible for you. So feel free to have the last word. I really don’t care about your hurt feelings and your sad little ranting and denying reality has grown boring.