Maybe Tim Walz is the leader of the Dems?

[braindrain]

You sound very conservative.

You sound like maga.

 

[Dans La Lune]

You sound like maga.

Yes, my policies are very in line with MAGA. Keep telling yourself that, while salivating over conservative Dems and their neoliberal policies which gave us Trump.

 

[Dans La Lune]

So you understand that your policies are not supported unless they are free huh. Not much of a ringing endorsement.

Nothing is free, except at the point of service. I advocate for socialized healthcare, which costs less and produces better outcomes and a healthier society. I also support Social Security, and think it should be strengthened by raising the cap on taxable income.

I think the Democratic party is doomed when it caters to people like you, who support Republican policies.

 

[Theowl32]

Its conservatives who are the Anti Biden Party and its your party who makes everything about trans the right wing says the word trans more than a actual trans gender person does they have a obsession with talking about it. All i ever hear from conservatives is biden sucks vaccines are poison global warmings a hoax hunter biden laptop trans people are bad laptop laptop trans trans sports sports trans and using sports teams to justify dehumanizing lgbt people when trans is only 1 percent of the population and that barely happens when they play on a sports team anyway. Its the right wing who jokes about lgbt suicide rates caused by shaming them or the religious people who say "your a sinner your gonna burn in hell" which causes people to commit suicide.

This is what your sad pathetic useless party is. In a nutshell. The fact that none of you are even embarrassed by the likes of ALL the democrats and all them are...so gone mentally. There are no exceptions. Zero.

This in a nutshell..

 

[j brown's body]

If the left has no impact on Trump then why does the left spend every last waking minute trying to Get Trump!!! and nothing else? Look at this forum, there are 200 or so neo-leftists here who spend their entire day posting Trump Hate, you included. If it has no impact, why do it? Are all the neo-leftists here paid to post Trump Hate? Is that it? Let me make a bold prediction: The minute the entire left stops focusing on Trump and focuses solely on becoming a better party that truly does care for the working class and is willing to give up Big Money, well, that is the minute the people start taking the left seriously.

A couple of points:

• Trump is in the news everyday and this site focuses on news stories.
• Trump cultivates hatred.
• Trump is corrupt as hell.
• Big Money is the mother's milk of politics.

Interesting stat:



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[j brown's body]

This is what your sad pathetic useless party is. In a nutshell. The fact that none of you are even embarrassed by the likes of ALL the democrats and all them are...so gone mentally. There are no exceptions. Zero.

This in a nutshell..

That's not Democrats.

 

[Bodecea]

It's ironic that I'm suggesting that Tim Walz is the leader of the Democratic Party when I wouldn't vote for Kamala, even with Tim Walz as half the ticket. Maybe they should have used Tim Walz more? Also, why don't Dems want to be popular? Any thoughts on that?

I like him very much.

 

[Theowl32]

That's not Democrats.

Well, it's all their pathetic voters.

 

[Phys251]

I'd lose all credibility if I voted for genocide as a progressive. If I just lost credibility with you, I call that a bargain.

Progressivism means recognizing that you're not going to get everything you want in one election cycle. Especially when you throw away your vote.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Progressivism means recognizing that you're not going to get everything you want in one election cycle. Especially when you throw away your vote.

Harm mitigation only works when there's a credible theory of change. What's the theory of change, and do you have a red line for not voting?

 

[Phys251]

Harm mitigation only works when there's a credible theory of change. What's the theory of change, and do you have a red line for not voting?

Yes. When I'm dead. When will you throw away YOUR vote?

 

[Phys251]

Well, it's all their pathetic voters.

All Democrats are socialists?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Yes. When I'm dead. When will you throw away YOUR vote?

Your red line isn't even Nazism? Wow. That's cold.

 

[Phys251]

Your red line isn't even Nazism? Wow. That's cold.

Did you just suggest that Kamala Harris was a Nazi?

And I notice you didn't answer my previous question.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Did you just suggest that Kamala Harris was a Nazi?

Nope. I asked you for YOUR red line. You said when you're dead. That means you'd vote for Dems if they engaged in Nazism.

And I notice you didn't answer my previous question.

I already drew my red line. Genocide. What's your red line?

 

[Phys251]

Nope. I asked you for YOUR red line. You said when you're dead. That means you'd vote for Dems if they engaged in Nazism.

Lie, and a hilariously awful strawman. If the Dems went full Nazi--which they ****ing won't, and you know it--I'd vote for the other party. Which I have before.

I already drew my red line. Genocide. What's your red line?

Already gave it to you. How's your protest vote working out for you?

 

[Gatsby]

Obama ran on hope and change and a progressive platform, won and was given TWO SUPER-MAJORITIES, and lost them after passing Republican-inspired healthcare. Why did he lose them?

1. Reversion to the mean.
2. As you noted, Obama passed major health care reform (among other things). Major changes are usually not rewarded by voters and one shouldn't expect them to be. Its fine to do them anyway, as long as one recognizes there will likely be political costs to doing so.

Medicare For All: 70%+ popularity.
Universal Pre-K: 79% popularity.
Taxing the Rich: 70%+ popularity.
LGBTQ Rights: 70%+ popularity.
Minimum Wage Increase: 67%+ popularity.
Climate Change Mitigation: 66-80% poularity.

And yet Bernie Bros never seem to get elected outside of places like Vermont or Massachusetts or Queens. Curious!

If you can't win on popular issues, there's a word for you: LOSER. If you know they're popular but don't campaign on them as a Democrat, there's a word for you: REPUBLICAN.

You are the one who acknowledges the voters have rejected everything you stand for for 30+ years. The word for that is loser.

Well, if you don't give people a real choice, and push conservatives in red states, they're going to vote for the conservative candidate every time.

They already vote for a conservative or moderate every time, as they are conservative states. Do you see any Bernie Bros winning statewide in Oklahoma?

Oh, and the Bernie-inspired Build Back Better had a 70% approval rating in West Virginia.

Loser strategy yields loser results.

We had a test case of your exact strategy in this exact state. In 2018, a Bernie Bro named Paula Jean Swearingen primaried Joe Manchin for his Senate seat. Manchin easily crushed her 70-30, then went on to narrowly win his general election by just over 3 points.

And then to drive the point home, in 2020 this exact same Bernie Bro actually won the Democratic primary for West Virginia's other Senate seat. And how did *she* fare in the general election? She lost by 43 points.

West Virginia isn't going to elect a Bernie Bro. They are barely even going to elect a Joe Manchin...even that takes a minor miracle. It's too conservative of a state. Stop nominating losers to lose.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Lie, and a hilariously awful strawman. If the Dems went full Nazi--which they ****ing won't, and you know it--I'd vote for the other party. Which I have before.

So your red line is Nazism. Good. Is it genocide?

Already gave it to you. How's your protest vote working out for you?

How did appeasing the mythical Cheney/Kamala voter work for you?

 

[Phys251]

So your red line is Nazism. Good. Is it genocide?

Genocide would be what your current president is enabling. I adore your naive belief that just getting a "progressive" president would have magically stopped Israel.

How did appeasing the mythical Cheney/Kamala voter work for you?

It is adorable that someone who threw away his vote feels entitled to ask stupid questions like that. Did you feel left out by not being catered to?

 

[Dans La Lune]

1. Reversion to the mean.

?

2. As you noted, Obama passed major health care reform (among other things).

RomneyCare. Heritage Foundation based reform. With two super-majorities.

And yet Bernie Bros never seem to get elected outside of places like Vermont or Massachusetts or Queens. Curious!

Yeah, well, at least we try.

You are the one who acknowledges the voters have rejected everything you stand for for 30+ years. The word for that is loser.

You ran on rejecting progressives and now you have Trump.

They already vote for a conservative or moderate every time, as they are conservative states.

Well, if you give no options other than a conservative and a moderate conservative, I'm not surprised.

Do you see any Bernie Bros winning statewide in Oklahoma?

I see him being able to win everywhere.

We had a test case of your exact strategy in this exact state. In 2018, a Bernie Bro primaried Joe Manchin for his Senate seat. Manchin easily crushed her 70-30, then went on to narrowly win his general election by just over 3 points.

Bernie-inspired policies were overwhelmingly popular in West Virginia.

And then to drive the point home, in 2020 this exact same Bernie Bro actually won the Democratic primary for West Virginia's other Senate seat. And how did *she* fare in the general election? She lost by 43 points.

Bernie-inspired policies were overwhelmingly popular in West Virginia.

West Virginia isn't going to elect a Bernie Bro. They are barely even going to elect a Joe Manchin...even that takes a minor miracle. It's too conservative of a state. Stop nominating losers to lose.

Shhh... here's the strategy: We pretend to have a progressive platform, then we get Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema or Lieberman to sabotage it. That way Dems look like they're trying, but have someone to blame their failures on. Pissing inside the Big Tent for the Win. *wink*

 

[Dans La Lune]

Genocide would be what your current president is enabling. I adore your naive belief that just getting a "progressive" president would have magically stopped Israel.

By obeying US law? That's the low bar the Biden and Kamala couldn't clear.

It is adorable that someone who threw away his vote feels entitled to ask stupid questions like that. Did you feel left out by not being catered to?

What pressure did you put on Biden and Kamala?

 

[Gatsby]

Bernie is not a liberal, he's a progressive. And it's already been shown why he lost in 2016 and 2020. In 2020, on the verge of Bernie winning, all the corporate Dems dropped out and consolidated around Biden. If your own party is against you, you're going to have an uphill battle.

So why did they all consolidate around Biden instead of Bernie Sanders? If your ideas were so popular then surely they would have more buy-in among elected members of the more progressive party. If you can't even win there, you certainly can't win among the general electorate which is much less liberal than Democratic primary voters or elected Democrats.

 

[Dans La Lune]

So why did they all consolidate around Biden instead of Bernie Sanders?

Why did corporate Dems consolidate around Biden to stop Bernie? Is that the question?

If your ideas were so popular then surely they would have more buy-in among elected members of the more progressive party. If you can't even win there, you certainly can't win among the general electorate which is much less liberal than Democratic primary voters or elected Democrats.

Don't worry, your neoliberal party is safe from progressives.

 

[Phys251]

By obeying US law? That's the low bar the Biden and Kamala couldn't clear.

tRump, who you enabled with your thrown-away vote, is oh so much better.

What pressure did you put on Biden and Kamala?

I asked you first.

 

[Dans La Lune]

tRump, who you enabled with your thrown-away vote, is oh so much better.

You have no credibility on genocide or holding politicians accountable. None. ZERO.

I asked you first.

"Being catered to = obeying US law".

Dems deserve to lose.