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Massive explosion on Crimea’s Kerch bridge

It does matter. If we don’t stop Putin now he will attack our allies in the future.

No, Putin has been attacking those who attacked Russians -- ie. the Ukrainian military and their Azov extremist allies -- after they attacked the native Russian population of Donbass and were murdering them.

The best way for Russia to avoid war with us is to get the **** out of Ukraine. Right the **** now.

They're not in "Ukraine" -- they're in Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.

Russia can leave at any time.

Ukraine doesn’t want Russia there.
"Ukraine" doesn't want Russians there, including those who are native to the land.


I think we can all live in peace and harmony. And Putin can go on robbing his people if that’s what the Russians want for themselves but Russia cannot invade its neighbors.
I think your Azov buddies don't want peace and harmony, they want ethnic supremacy for themselves.
Russians in Donbass asked Moscow for help, and were entitled to receive it. Moscow came to the aid of its neighbors, who were in dire need.
 
@basionok, do you disagree?

In this video, where does it look like the fire, smoke and debris is originating? The center of the westbound span, or off camera down and to the right?

Crimea Bridge explosion forward and backward
 
Or propaganda on Russia's part to cover up the fact that they are vulnerable when it comes to their coveted bridge.
Oh no - are you now going to tell us that Russia magically bombed their own bridge, just like they magically bombed their own pipeline?

"It's all a big trick from Putin, to get sympathy!"

Biden is trying to encourage WW3 to generate headlines that deflect attention away from himself and his own lousy track record.

His party is going to be decimated in November.
 
Oh no - are you now going to tell us that Russia magically bombed their own bridge, just like they magically bombed their own pipeline?

"It's all a big trick from Putin, to get sympathy!"

Biden is trying to encourage WW3 to generate headlines that deflect attention away from himself and his own lousy track record.

His party is going to be decimated in November.
It was definitely Ukraine. It just wasn't a truck bomb.
 
Trumpsrters dont give a damn about Ukraine other then the money and weapons drain.
Oh and that pesky nuclear response thingy
You who are all but officially authorized to speak for "Trumpsters" as a fellow Trumpster are trying unsuccessfully to be clear.

What is clear instead is that the Russian Vichy Americans who are the PutinTrumpRowers throughout the land fully praised Trump saying Putin's illegal and barbarian invasion is "genius." Putin's doomed invasion.

And you're fully and flippantly on board with Putin's menacing "pesky nuclear response thingy." Remember Trump is the oblivious numbnuts who kept asking why given we have nukes we don't use 'em. To include against hurricanes. Trump being the Transaction Guy and Putin the Action Man.

Trump meanwhile and with fellow losers everywhere has stayed away from Putin's numbnuts disaster in Ukraine. Trump has himself become a POW about Ukraine. Except for here so have the PutinTrumpRowers.
 
@basionok, do you disagree?

In this video, where does it look like the fire, smoke and debris is originating? The center of the westbound span, or off camera down and to the right?

Crimea Bridge explosion forward and backward


Hi Ashes,

Followed your posting for the most part, and largely agree with you.

When it comes to this video I struggle. I actually made a comment on this video on the (one of the) first pages of this thread. When I did a frame-by-frame analysis of the footage I see the last frame where all is ok. I then see 1 frame where the bottom 20% of the screen is white. I made a particular comment on this frame. So yes, the explosion has started. But it takes time for a frame to 'build-up' So this doe not mean that much when things are happening that fast. Camera scans from top to bottom and from left to right. After this frame there is several white frames. Too much light from the explosion to see anything really.

I have asked, but never got a response, if someone here has any idea if a proper conclusion can be drawn from the above. I think more information can be derived from this 1 single frame. Provided you have the technical background to do such analysis on CCD camera elements and explosives. I can not.

I find it hard to draw any conclusions from this footage.

- First I thought it was a truck bomb. (Russia now claims this to be the case, but that is only more reason to reject that idea)
- Later I started to swift towards something from the water.
- Is a missile strike a possibility? Seems unlikely when coming from the top down. But maybe it did not come from the top down.
- Maybe it was a special operation with explosives planted. But than why the columns are still standing.

there is 2 things I think that are important to notice about the explosion that are not mentioned a lot though.
1 - There are 2 sections of roadway that have collapsed separated by a road section that has not collapsed.
2 - The largest section of collapsed roadway still has the middle part standing up in part and resting on a column. I find this very strange. It looks like it was completely lifted up and slid sideways. I am not an explosives expert, but to me that looks like it came from below. Anyway, I can not really explain it.

All I am trying to say is that 'we home scientists' can hardly make a proper analysis of the information available.

In addition to this there is the guesswork we're doing about who has done this and why this was done.

- Could it have been Ukraine. Possible, and initially my first choice.
- Could it have been Russia? Seems unlikely, but the very moment Russia started to claim that it was the US, I can not help but think that is must have been Russia. But there is something else to it. It could have been a Russian government operation, but it could also have been a Russian terrorist organization.
- If other counties were involved, I think this is limited to the supply of intelligence.

Let's get back to the Russian claim again for a sec though. Again, as we have seen many times over, when Russia says something than it is probably not true. History just shows that the vast majority of their public claims are typically incorrect.In addition to this there is the Russian mentality of creating a false narrative. Now I truly believe that the Russians are increadibly f...ing stupid, but I find it hard to believe that they are stupid enough to start a nuclear war. However, from all the claims that the Russians have made on Ukraine so far, the most solid from their side and the least likely for them to give up is of course Crimea. At the same time they have also created a reason to use nuclear weapons if they stick to their own narrative. In addition to this, in their mindset the use of 'tactical' nukes is not the same as nuclear war. Or at least, they think they can sell it this way to the public.

Having said all that, the bottom line is, the bridge is damaged and this is causing a headache for the Russians. And this I can only applaud.


Joey
 
No, Putin has been attacking those who attacked Russians -- ie. the Ukrainian military and their Azov extremist allies -- after they attacked the native Russian population of Donbass and were murdering them.



They're not in "Ukraine" -- they're in Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.


"Ukraine" doesn't want Russians there, including those who are native to the land.



I think your Azov buddies don't want peace and harmony, they want ethnic supremacy for themselves.
Russians in Donbass asked Moscow for help, and were entitled to receive it. Moscow came to the aid of its neighbors, who were in dire need.
Hi Sanman,

You have no idea what you are talking about.

All Russia has done is look for an easy to sell narrative to justify restoring what Putin considers Russian glory. He is psychologically damaged and hurt by the falling apart of the USSR and just wants to restore this as much as possible. He uses simple and incorrect historical analogies and distorted facts that are often believed by the less educated such as yourself to create a narrative to get away with what is nothing other than an invasion of a foreign country.

The funny thing is that they are already reduced back to the stone age now and for a long time to come. Sadly most Russians seem to be running away from this instead of fighting for their own country and overthrow the Putin regime.
- They are loosing they war.
- They are isolated from the rest of the world. I mean, they do not have any friends left other than North Korea and Belarus. That must be a great feeling that no one wants you around. When everyone spits on you.
- When the war is over and done with the remaining Russian inside Ukraine will either flee back to Russia or become 'proper' Ukrainians. Going back to Russia obviously means additional cost for Russia which is something they can ill-afford at the present time.
- Russia will have to pay war damages to Ukraine for a long time to come.

And now lets look at it from a slightly different angle. During the time of the Kievan-Rus state in the 9th century, the state was run from Kyiv and moscow was still farmland. So really, I think Ukraine has more claims to Russia than the Russians have to Ukraine.

Slava Ukraini


Joey
 
I know Republican politics, Im not saying the DC "establishmnet" doesnt fully support Ukraine.
Im saying populism is increasing hostile to our excessive un-questioning support for Ukraine

Im not about to claim it's a majority, but it's a growing minority of Republicans OUTSIDE DC
Your backup lights are even dimmer than your headlights.
 
Hi Sanman,

You have no idea what you are talking about.

All Russia has done is look for an easy to sell narrative to justify restoring what Putin considers Russian glory.

Nah, I don't see it that way at all. Russians in Donbass were being terrorized by Azov, and Putin wasn't the only one in Russia who wanted to remedy that.

He is psychologically damaged and hurt by the falling apart of the USSR and just wants to restore this as much as possible. He uses simple and incorrect historical analogies and distorted facts that are often believed by the less educated such as yourself to create a narrative to get away with what is nothing other than an invasion of a foreign country.
No, you're the one who is less educated, relying on these silly cliché caricatures and imagining everyone will swallow them up. You need to update your propaganda training, because it looks old and worn out.

The funny thing is that they are already reduced back to the stone age now and for a long time to come. Sadly most Russians seem to be running away from this instead of fighting for their own country and overthrow the Putin regime.
- They are loosing they war.
'losing' not 'loosing', Mister Educated.

And no, they won't lose the war, because they've got huge advantages they haven't even used yet.

- They are isolated from the rest of the world. I mean, they do not have any friends left other than North Korea and Belarus. That must be a great feeling that no one wants you around. When everyone spits on you.
There are plenty of countries that understand Washington has been instigating the war. Look at the electoral backlash wave across Europe. Biden is bringing more of his opponents to power everywhere -- including in America.

- When the war is over and done with the remaining Russian inside Ukraine will either flee back to Russia or become 'proper' Ukrainians. Going back to Russia obviously means additional cost for Russia which is something they can ill-afford at the present time.
- Russia will have to pay war damages to Ukraine for a long time to come.

It's Americans who are paying through the nose to Ukraine. And taxpayers are fed up of that.

And now lets look at it from a slightly different angle. During the time of the Kievan-Rus state in the 9th century, the state was run from Kyiv and moscow was still farmland. So really, I think Ukraine has more claims to Russia than the Russians have to Ukraine.

Slava Ukraini


Joey
Russia part of Ukraine, Ukraine part of Russia - same difference
 
Nice!

Sorry anyone had to die, but this bridge being strategically redeployed is a massive slap towards the Russian war effort. Good news.
 
Hi Ashes,

Followed your posting for the most part, and largely agree with you.
Hi Joey. Thank you, I put some thought and effort into some of them.

When it comes to this video I struggle. I actually made a comment on this video on the (one of the) first pages of this thread. [removed content for character limit] Camera scans from top to bottom and from left to right. After this frame there is several white frames. Too much light from the explosion to see anything really.

I have asked, but never got a response, [removed content for character limit] Provided you have the technical background to do such analysis on CCD camera elements and explosives. I can not.
I'm not sure the cause of the half frame. Could be the blast went mid scan, so the white is the frame being drawn and the rest is the previous. It could also have something to do with the video being a recording of a screen.

I find it hard to draw any conclusions from this footage.

- First I thought it was a truck bomb. (Russia now claims this to be the case, but that is only more reason to reject that idea)
I believed that for a short time after Russia first announced it.

- Later I started to swift towards something from the water.
A likely possibility. I can think of a few ways by sea.

- Is a missile strike a possibility? Seems unlikely when coming from the top down. But maybe it did not come from the top down.
Maybe, but I don't think so. No witness reports or video of a missile or anything incoming, just boom.

- Maybe it was a special operation with explosives planted. But than why the columns are still standing.
A likely candidate. They probably brought as much with them as they could, and they knew it wasn't enough to destroy a column. Enough to break a span or two though.

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1 - There are 2 sections of roadway that have collapsed separated by a road section that has not collapsed.
2 - The largest section of collapsed roadway still has the middle part standing up in part and resting on a column. [removed content for character limit]
3 spans total fell. 2 fell into the water, 2 look intact, 1 broke in half. The left one only fell a little. The middle one broke in half. The right one looks intact or broken in half in the water.
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All I am trying to say is that 'we home scientists' can hardly make a proper analysis of the information available.
We're kind of like Shakespeare's monkeys.

In addition to this there is the guesswork we're doing about who has done this and why this was done.

- Could it have been Ukraine. Possible, and initially my first choice.
Very highly likely.

- Could it have been Russia? [removed content for character limit] But there is something else to it. It could have been a Russian government operation, but it could also have been a Russian terrorist organization.
I don't think so, it's too useful to them. And everyone is cheering, nobody feels sorry for them.

- If other counties were involved, I think this is limited to the supply of intelligence.
Agreed, unless it is previously unknown delivery of a weapon to Ukraine.

Let's get back to the Russian claim again for a sec though. Again, as we have seen many times over, when Russia says something than it is probably not true. [removed content for character limit] Now I truly believe that the Russians are increadibly f...ing stupid, but I find it hard to believe that they are stupid enough to start a nuclear war. [removed content for character limit] Or at least, they think they can sell it this way to the public.

Having said all that, the bottom line is, the bridge is damaged and this is causing a headache for the Russians. And this I can only applaud.


Joey
I don't believe them, and the investigation into the truck and driver and fertilizer is a laugh. They should have waited until they knew before they announced it was the truck. Sorry for the cuts.
 
Russia part of Ukraine, Ukraine part of Russia - same difference

The difference is in a simple choice. Putin or Zelensky. Now we all understand you have taken a liking to lickin' Putin's behind, but I'd rather opt for Zelensky.

Anyway, it is your choices that makes you irrelevant.


Joey
 
Is the USA "entitled" to the Monroe Doctrine?
There is no moral or ethical equivalency to Russia v USA.

Russian elites reject the rule of law for instance. Putin is running at the mouth about nuclear explosions.

Indeed Putin's armed invasion of Ukraine is the first time a country has tried to change the borders in Europe by force since WW II. Kremlin is out of time.

Russia hasn't any sphere of influence because due to geostrategic restrictions Russia borders the democratic and prosperous Europe that is a continent of peace and stability. Russian elites are demented against this. Hell bent.
 
I'm not sure the cause of the half frame. Could be the blast went mid scan, so the white is the frame being drawn and the rest is the previous. It could also have something to do with the video being a recording of a screen.

That could well be it actually. Hadn't thought about that yet.

I don't think so, it's too useful to them. And everyone is cheering, nobody feels sorry for them.

Yeah, it's kind of funny to see so many people happy about a blown up bridge. I'm one of them I love it. Shame it was not completely taken out of service on the 2 big spans. lol.

Maybe, but I don't think so. No witness reports or video of a missile or anything incoming, jus

True.

I don't believe them, and the investigation into the truck and driver and fertilizer is a laugh. They should have waited until they knew before they announced it was the truck. Sorry for the cuts.

I kinda like this about Russia. Similar to Trump. When the rate of lying becomes such that you have a better chance of getting to the truth simply by taking the opposite from what they say. I helps analysing them and makes it easier.


Joey
 
I speak Dutch, French, German, English and a little but of Danish, Maltese and Thai, and you wanna catch me on a spelling mistake? Your mother would be proud of you. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


Joey
Hilarious. I've seen fellow Americans that speak only English (and many times poorly) that criticize the people from other countries that speak at least two other languages. The arrogance is astounding.
 
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How can Ukraine be running up the score when she is still down many touch downs. Your advice is appropriate when a team is up. Ukraine has to first get back to Ukraine1991 territorial extent to consider it a tie. Anything beyond that can then be considered running up the scores.
You dunno the difference between a tie and a win.

Putin losing his territorial gains of war by means of war is not a tie.

It's a rout and a defeat. A win for the home team that is decisive and conclusive.

A walk off grand slam.
 
Hilarious. I've seen fellow Americans that speak only English (and many times poorly) that criticize the people from other countries that speak at least two other languages. The arrogance is astounding.

Hi Enigma,

People have often asked me where I am from. People who have travelled can hear I am Dutch and on occasion they even hear in my English accent that I am from the Rotterdam region.

But; Only 5 times I have been asked where I come from in England. And every single time, without an exception, this was asked by a drunk Irish man. And then they are completely surprised when I tell them I am Dutch. Too funny!


Joey
 
You utterly blow off Russian security needs and superpower sphere of influence.

Russian security? Like what? Stop the Ukrainian gay and lesbian horde that’s trying to overrun Russia and send the Orthodox patriarch fleeing to Armenia with his mitre on fire? A little lebensraum, perhaps? What happened to the “Ukrainians are little Russians who need to be hugged” argument? ❓

I hate to break it to the Russians, but 19th Century-style imperialist spheres of influence died when the Soviets gutted the Monroe Doctrine with their meddling in Latin America, including support for so-called “wars of national liberation.”

The fact is Russia invaded a nation that was not a threat to it because it’s attempting to rebuild a lost empire. Ain’t gonna happen.

Europe doesnt need the USA
-it will take what they can get,but Europes NATO states are perfectly capable of standing up to Russia

NATO is a collective security alliance. Russia would love nothing better than to divide it, just as the Soviets attempted to do during the Cold War. NATO member states understand that it’s through cooperation and unity that it achieves its strength. It’s what makes its deterrence against potential aggression credible. Remove that unity, and a foe has already won. And if we’re going to have any chance to secure an enduring peace and security in Europe, international norms of behavior must to be enforced. It’s the reason the alliance was created in the first place.

not the USA's war/problem. Europe can handle it -they wont as long as they can free ride on the USA

How many times does a test subject chimpanzee have to be shocked before it gets the message? If we let this dictator, who only understands force, subjugate Ukraine he’s not going to stop there. Eventually, Americans will pay in spades for sticking their heads in the sand.
 
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Hi Enigma,

People have often asked me where I am from. People who have travelled can hear I am Dutch and on occasion they even hear in my English accent that I am from the Rotterdam region.

But; Only 5 times I have been asked where I come from in England. And every single time, without an exception, this was asked by a drunk Irish man. And then they are completely surprised when I tell them I am Dutch. Too funny!


Joey
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I had to share your post with my wife that is a retired German teacher that also speaks Spanish. She thought it was funny too! She had some Germans think her first language was Danish! I don't know if that is an insult or not. :ROFLMAO: (She's American from near Chicago).
 
Just found out about this thread. I'll try to catch up. I've been posting my theories over on the Ukraine War thread.
 
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