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Massive explosion on Crimea’s Kerch bridge

It's just that when armed men come to your door and tell you to vote, and they can see your vote, it just doesn't seem on the up and up.
its a WAR ZONE
Yes, Putin and his supporters remind us of the nuclear blackmail every day.
well gee. lets talk about real exigent threats like "domestic terrorists"
whats the problem of a few nukes among enemies? :eek:
 
are you trying to suck me into something to give points? are you asking about the Bridge?
If it's the latter it's been well documented on this thread, if it's the former like I said IM DONE
I'm trying to talk about the bridge. Have been for dozens of pages. The official word from Russia is it was a truck bomb, ostensibly suicide. Since it now seems obvious to me it wasn't the truck that exploded the bridge, I'm curious about your opinion. I'm also not a moderator, and any discussion about points here is improper.
 
its a WAR ZONE

So?

well gee. lets talk about real exigent threats like "domestic terrorists"
whats the problem of a few nukes among enemies? :eek:

I think that may be the third time you've brought up nuclear blackmail in this page alone. God only knows how many times you've brought it up in total.
 
I'm trying to talk about the bridge. Have been for dozens of pages. The official word from Russia is it was a truck bomb, ostensibly suicide. Since it now seems obvious to me it wasn't the truck that exploded the bridge, I'm curious about your opinion. I'm also not a moderator, and any discussion about points here is improper.
"improper" -what is the sanctions ? or are you talking good form?
I have to check with my next door Russian neighbor and phone Moscow.. i'll get back to you with the talking points
 
war zone. troops. you know like apple pie and mindless interventionism go together
I think that may be the third time you've brought up nuclear blackmail in this page alone. God only knows how many times you've brought it up in total.
because what happend to Ukraine is of utter lack of impotance to the USA. However a well placed nuke can ruin your day
 
war zone. troops. you know like apple pie and mindless interventionism go together

Yes, and...how does that make the vote fair? If armed Democrats were at every polling station and could see you vote, would you consider that fair?

because what happend to Ukraine is of utter lack of impotance to the USA. However a well placed nuke can ruin your day

Fourth time you've used nuclear blackmail in just the last two pages. Are you going for a fifth?
 
Where did the truck come from?

The truck traveled across Russia’s southern Krasnodar Region for some time before the incident.

For several days, the vehicle reportedly moved through the western part of the province, including the Taman Peninsula, which is linked to Crimea through the bridge.

Later, it reportedly went north before “disappearing” from CCTV footage for around six hours on the night before the incident. Early Saturday, it is said to have re-appeared in a village which is a 30-minute drive from the last place it was spotted. One hour later, it drove to the bridge and exploded.

Who did the truck belong to?

The vehicle was owned by a Russian national identified as Samir Yusubov. The channel also published a video of a 26-year-old man who claimed to be Yusubov, and added that he was the owner of the truck. He denied having any role in the incident. “I have nothing to do with what happened on the Crimean Bridge.”

Yusubov also claimed that he is not even in Russia right now, and the truck was used by his “uncle” – his father’s cousin, Makhir Yusubov – who reportedly works in freight transportation. The man also said that his ‘uncle’ took transport orders from a website, without providing any further details.

Makhir was the de-facto owner of the truck. The channel also said that relatives recognized him in one of the CCTV videos showing the truck undergoing a check prior to the incident.

Makhir has not been in contact with his relatives since at least October 6, two days prior to the incident.

Could the driver be involved in the plot?

Russian business daily RBK claimed that the driver might have been unaware of what the truck was carrying. He supposedly received a fertilizer transport order, it reported, citing a security source who added that he was allegedly “kept in the dark.”

Investigators searched the apartments of Makhir Yusubov’s relatives.

 
"improper" -what is the sanctions ? or are you talking good form?
I have to check with my next door Russian neighbor and phone Moscow.. i'll get back to you with the talking points
I'm only going to talk about the bridge. Truck, or not truck?
 
Fact: it's not part of Ukraine, and your repeating it over and over won't make it so. The entire rest of the world doesn't revolve around you and your narrow obsession with Putin. Everybody else has a life to live, yet you can't figure that out.
Dumb post
It is a fact that all sane people understand that Crimea is part of Ukraine. You are in bed with Putin and that’s disgusting. You and Putin claiming that Crimea is part of Russia doesn’t make it so. If it was part of Russia there would have been no need to annex it.
Russia ceded control of Crimea sixty years ago (see below). When Ukraine declared its independence Crimea was part of the deal. Just because there is a majority of ethnic Russians living there doesn’t make it part of Russia any more than Koreatown in LA is part of Korea.

 
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Ukraine did it . im not sure what the Russian spin is about yet
I agree it was most likely a Ukrainian operation. I told you what the spin is. It's even been repeated in this thread. Not by you though. So I wondered.
 
I agree it was most likely a Ukrainian operation. I told you what the spin is. It's even been repeated in this thread. Not by you though. So I wondered.
the thing is US and Ukraine "intelligence"are essentially the same thing We share everything and we coordinate with Uk
what im wondering is if we provided any logistics, but since we have turned Uk into a USA outpost,my instinct is "no"
I think they got everything they need to accelerate the war.. which is NOT in our best interest
 
No, Moscow is acting to protect the vulnerable Russians of Donetsk and Luhansk, and that aim is not barbaric in itself.
You see those Russians of the Donbass as untermenschen, and that's what's barbaric.
The spin around in your every post must be dizzying.

The post is also a lousy dance to stomp to.

Bombing and execution murdering unarmed civilians in their cities as military doctrine is barbarian -- and I said barbarian not "barbaric." You're excusing barbarians who hate democracy while punishing those who either seek it or have it.

Your Hero Putin's unprovoked and criminal armed invasion of Ukraine is the first time a leader in Europe has attempted to change the borders in Europe since World War II. Now Putin is talking nuclear explosions that would be the first use since World War II. All of you are out of our time, mores, values.

Putin's armband right abroad not only supports this, but you eagerly advocate it. The most transparent weakness is however that the PutinTrumpRowers will say anything no matter how silly, just to say something.
 
Trumpsrters dont give a damn about Ukraine other then the money and weapons drain.
Oh and that pesky nuclear response thingy

This just flat out isn’t true. The fact that support for Ukraine has near unanimous support in Congress and a wide majority of Americans enthusiastically support US policy concerning Ukraine tells us that many Trump supporters do support our current policy. You are alone.
 
The war is not in the USA's strategic interest because defending Ukraine has become secondary
(and who couldn't possibly haven't seen this coming??? ) to our war against Russia proper.

As I already said, European security is in the USA’s strategic interest going back to the Truman Doctrine and the establishment of NATO. This war could end tomorrow if Putin would just leave Ukraine. The idea that a Western-oriented Ukraine poses some kind of existential threat to Russia is simply a load of crap.

What interest does the USA have in a direct war against Russia?

This is really up to Russia. We don’t desire a direct war with them, but if they’re threatening the West with and nuclear blackmail, invading peaceful neighbors, disrupting world energy and food supplies, propping up the world’s Assads and Maduros, and just being an all around pain in the ass, destroying their economy and ability to wage war would be a good thing. If you’re going to tolerate a Pit Bull in your neighborhood, at least ensure it’s neutered.

On top of all that we provoke Putin by the sabotage - if it was "Ukraine intelligence" - we were up to our eyeballs involved..

Dude, the ****er invaded a peaceful neighbor. A bully can’t walk up to a kid on a playground, punch him in the nose, and then claim he was provoked when the kid’s big brother shows up and kicks him in the nuts.
 
the thing is US and Ukraine "intelligence"are essentially the same thing We share everything and we coordinate with Uk
what im wondering is if we provided any logistics, but since we have turned Uk into a USA outpost,my instinct is "no"
I think they got everything they need to accelerate the war.. which is NOT in our best interest

A free and independent Ukraine — separate from Russia — is very much in our interests.
 
No, Crimea was transferred to Ukraine by force of Khruschev's diktat, which has now been undone.

This is a very odd description of what happened and completely ignores the supremacy of Soviet rule over Russia and also the fact that Russia itself and Russians in general were the entities most responsible for the formation of the Soviet Union and the perpetuation of the Soviet Union. This account you present is nothing more than historical revisionism, in short a lie.

You have no monopoly on violence, nor any permanent monopoly on the American people, who are in the midst of revolt against you and your gang. Your stunts are doomed to failure. November is a few weeks away

This is the silly and superficial analysis of someone who is not familiar with American culture, or politics.

Support for Ukraine is widespread, even amongst Republicans.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

You likely get 100 percent of your news from RT.
 
No, Moscow is acting to protect the vulnerable Russians of Donetsk and Luhansk, and that aim is not barbaric in itself.
You see those Russians of the Donbass as untermenschen, and that's what's barbaric.

Putin started the civil war after he lost control over the Ukrainian government. You are doing nothing more than mindlessly and blindly repeating Russian propaganda. It’s very clear where your sympathies lie and you are welcome to return to Russia any time you like.
 
Some time back, a news article pointed out that, if there was ever going to be actual peace between Ukraine and Russia, blowing up this bridge would not be in Ukraine's long term interest. I think the fact that they have now blown it, indicates that they have come to the determination that there will be no peace, as long as Russia is still standing. Given Russia's behavior, I understand and empathize with this point of view. Slava Ukraine!
 
This just flat out isn’t true. The fact that support for Ukraine has near unanimous support in Congress and a wide majority of Americans enthusiastically support US policy concerning Ukraine tells us that many Trump supporters do support our current policy. You are alone.
I know Republican politics, Im not saying the DC "establishmnet" doesnt fully support Ukraine.
Im saying populism is increasing hostile to our excessive un-questioning support for Ukraine

Laura Ingram
Tucker
Glen Greenwald
Rand Paul
a few others are increasingly done with this -especailly since nukes are on the table-
but even before that as we dnt see Russia as an existential threat tothe US,or even NATO in Europe
and the true cost of the war is more like 100 billion when you add in indirect support

Im not about to claim it's amajority, but it's a growing minority of Republicans OUTSIDE DC
 
Some time back, a news article pointed out that, if there was ever going to be actual peace between Ukraine and Russia, blowing up this bridge would not be in Ukraine's long term interest. I think the fact that they have now blown it, indicates that they have come to the determination that there will be no peace, as long as Russia is still standing. Given Russia's behavior, I understand and empathize with this point of view. Slava Ukraine!
=perpetual war and an eastern Europe as a hot zone for the forseeble future

I dont care as long as Europe is fine with bankrolling this -but they never will since the USA is doing the heavy lifting
 
A free and independent Ukraine — separate from Russia — is very much in our interests.
doesnt make a damn difference to the USA if Russia or Ukraine controls Donbas and Crimea
In fact Russia could swallow Ukraine and it still wouldn't.. it's not our interest to be in a direct war against Russia either-
which you consistently deny,while it's increasing apparent that is exactly what is happening
 
=perpetual war and an eastern Europe as a hot zone for the forseeble future

I dont care as long as Europe is fine with bankrolling this -but they never will since the USA is doing the heavy lifting

We all benefit from a peaceful, stable, democratic, modern, secure Europe that is free from the corrupting and evil influence of Putin and his henchmen.
 
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