Marine says song about killing Iraqis a joke

[LogicalReason]

I really hate it when people throw this around like some dirty sock in people's face. I served my country for over 20 years. I NEVER demand respect because of it. I joined the military because I wanted to serve my country and felt it was the right thing to do, not because I wanted respect from people.

I didn't even mention respect. But I agree with you and I think most of us who serve or have served in the military joined for that reason.. to serve their country not for respect.

What I was saying was that the men and women in the military regardless of where their stationed or what branch they serve in.. protect the rights of Americans.

There are other professions, such as police officers, fire fighters, and many other civilian personnel that have given their lives to protect people as well. Soldiers are not the only people that deserve respect and sadly, people seem to forget this as well.

Agreed again.

I commented on the idea that every soldier, no matter what conflict he/she is invloved in, is actively protecting my rights. I respect soldiers, but I do not think this is quite accurate.

Iraq was not threatening my 'rights to summarize', much less any other right, nor was kosovo, nor was somalia. These guys deserve respect, for sure, but they do not deserve compliments for something they are not really doing.

I was starting to think of the pharagraphs I was going to write. Then I decided on one simple sentence.

They are protecting your rights, whether you care to admit it or not.

 

[TheNextEra]

What I was saying was that the men and women in the military regardless of where their stationed or what branch they serve in.. protect the rights of Americans.

Ok I may have misunderstood what you were saying then. I see where you are coming from now and agree with that statement.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

I am being way too practical/literal for you guys.

Gunny you make the most sense when you speak of the 'coiled snake' analogy that keeps other nations in check and keeps america's status as a potential threat, which in turn keeps us realtively safe from foreign invasion/influence. This allows us to maintain our current way of life, which includes certain rights we were granted by this country's founders.
You are right in that respect.

But I am being practical, not theoretical. Break it down, as throw away the glamourous images.
Prove to me that my 'right to free speech' is being protected by a private first class stationed in S. Korea.


What my point was is that the soldiers today maintain America's image as a 'tough kid' and may keep us safe from other nations, however, the only thing really protecting my rights, in a literal sense, is the US legal system, which in all it's glory, has its flaws too. So I suppose that the armed forces protects the existence of the legal system, to an extent.

I read things literally, and I hate cloudy lines that are repeated all the time.
The same way I feel about Soldiers in Iraq--I do not think they are 'protecting my freedom', as some of you do, because, practically speaking, my freedom was never threatened by Iraq, despite the claims.


Get it? Words mean things.

 

[Kelzie]

I don't care for Country Music either way.

What?!? Blasphemy, how could you?!! :shock:

 

[MSgt]

I am being way too practical/literal for you guys.

Gunny you make the most sense when you speak of the 'coiled snake' analogy that keeps other nations in check and keeps america's status as a potential threat, which in turn keeps us realtively safe from foreign invasion/influence. This allows us to maintain our current way of life, which includes certain rights we were granted by this country's founders.
You are right in that respect.

But I am being practical, not theoretical. Break it down, as throw away the glamourous images.
Prove to me that my 'right to free speech' is being protected by a private first class stationed in S. Korea.


What my point was is that the soldiers today maintain America's image as a 'tough kid' and may keep us safe from other nations, however, the only thing really protecting my rights, in a literal sense, is the US legal system, which in all it's glory, has its flaws too. So I suppose that the armed forces protects the existence of the legal system, to an extent.

I read things literally, and I hate cloudy lines that are repeated all the time.
The same way I feel about Soldiers in Iraq--I do not think they are 'protecting my freedom', as some of you do, because, practically speaking, my freedom was never threatened by Iraq, despite the claims.


Get it? Words mean things.

Whatever does it for you I guess.:shrug:

 

[LogicalReason]

I am being way too practical/literal for you guys.

Gunny you make the most sense when you speak of the 'coiled snake' analogy that keeps other nations in check and keeps america's status as a potential threat, which in turn keeps us realtively safe from foreign invasion/influence. This allows us to maintain our current way of life, which includes certain rights we were granted by this country's founders.
You are right in that respect.

But I am being practical, not theoretical. Break it down, as throw away the glamourous images.
Prove to me that my 'right to free speech' is being protected by a private first class stationed in S. Korea.


What my point was is that the soldiers today maintain America's image as a 'tough kid' and may keep us safe from other nations, however, the only thing really protecting my rights, in a literal sense, is the US legal system, which in all it's glory, has its flaws too. So I suppose that the armed forces protects the existence of the legal system, to an extent.

I read things literally, and I hate cloudy lines that are repeated all the time.
The same way I feel about Soldiers in Iraq--I do not think they are 'protecting my freedom', as some of you do, because, practically speaking, my freedom was never threatened by Iraq, despite the claims.


Get it? Words mean things.

I'll one final time but I doubt it will work lol.

Iraq never threatened Americas freedoms. But here is how the soldiers in Iraq are protecting your freedom. Because they may be 'soldiers in Iraq' now but they were soldiers in America before they got sent to Iraq. Meaning.. they protected your freedoms from the fact that the United States Military protects the democracy of the US from foreign enemies, home grown coups, etc. Which means that the marine that who's service you said had not protected your freedoms.. did in fact protect your freedoms.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

It's a song.....................................It's a song about killing someone after they threaten you with a smg.

Whats all the hub bub ... bub

Trust me kid.. this isn't the downfall of the country.. It's a song

 

[jamesrage]

Here we go again... It's the same old " How dare the left actually report on what is going on?" They hate the troops. :roll:

What possible ****ing reason could there be for airing such a story?The oinly reason to air such a story is to undermine our troops and to tarnish their reputation.The story of a soldier singing a song about killing is the equavilent of the media reporting that someone spitting on the sidewalk.

Look, if a cop busted into your house and for no reason beat the crap out of you, I would hope that some journalist would report it. Does that mean that the left hates cops? Of course not.

It is not the same thing.The story of a soldier singing a song about killing is a non-story.Alot of military cadence involves the killing of something.This story is nothing more than a attempt by the liberal media to smear our soldiers and marines and to undermine their mission.

If a cop sang a song about how fun it would be to kill and rape little homeless girls in New York, I'd have a problem with that too.

It is not the same thing.

America needs to hold itself to a higher standard than this. The worst part is that the Islamic media will play this Marine's tape over and over to recruit new jihadists.

I wonder who in the hell would give the arab media the tape to be played over and over again?Rats in the liberal media perhaps?

Turn it around - how would you feel if Fox was showing a video of an Al Quada member singing a little ditty about beheading troops? Would it make you hate them more?

Not Really,they already stated they wanted to kill us.

Would you be more savage and ruthless in your next attack?

So you agree the story is nothing more that a rat liberal media attempt to piss off our enemies and undermine our troops?

 

[jamesrage]

Ok so let me see if this sums things up for most people.

Songs about killing Iraqis: Good
Songs criticizing the president (Ala Dixie Chicks): Bad

Is this correct?

THis story is just spiteful attempt to smear our marines and soldiers and to undermine their mission.

 

[afr0byte]

THis story is just spiteful attempt to smear our marines and soldiers and to undermine their mission.

Either that, or a reasonable complaint about a song that glorifies killing people.

 

[jamesrage]

I am being way too practical/literal for you guys.

Gunny you make the most sense when you speak of the 'coiled snake' analogy that keeps other nations in check and keeps america's status as a potential threat, which in turn keeps us realtively safe from foreign invasion/influence. This allows us to maintain our current way of life, which includes certain rights we were granted by this country's founders.
You are right in that respect.

But I am being practical, not theoretical. Break it down, as throw away the glamourous images.
Prove to me that my 'right to free speech' is being protected by a private first class stationed in S. Korea.


What my point was is that the soldiers today maintain America's image as a 'tough kid' and may keep us safe from other nations, however, the only thing really protecting my rights, in a literal sense, is the US legal system, which in all it's glory, has its flaws too. So I suppose that the armed forces protects the existence of the legal system, to an extent.

I read things literally, and I hate cloudy lines that are repeated all the time.
The same way I feel about Soldiers in Iraq--I do not think they are 'protecting my freedom', as some of you do, because, practically speaking, my freedom was never threatened by Iraq, despite the claims.


Get it? Words mean things.

Would you rather our enemies see us as a nation of punk bitches instead of a country to not be ****ed with?

Saddam violated several UN accords,he would not let the UN inspecters inspect certian places, if we kept letting him do the same thing he would be a bigger threat to us and more lives would have been lost.

As for the cut and run people, they want to US to look like punk bitches.They want our enemies to attack us because cutting and running would make it look like we run after being hit and therefore a easy target.

 

[Deegan]

Either that, or a reasonable complaint about a song that glorifies killing people.

Well duh, we glorify killing people everyday in boot camp, it's what they do, and they are the best in the world, you can't ask them to turn it on and off at your suggestion!:roll:

 

[jamesrage]

Either that, or a reasonable complaint about a song that glorifies killing people.

Reasonable complaint my ***.It is nothing more than a smear campain by the liberal media to smear our troops.

 

[jamesrage]

Well duh, we glorify killing people everyday in boot camp, it's what they do, and they are the best in the world, you can't ask them to turn it on and off at your suggestion!:roll:

It amuses me when people who never been to boot camp make absurd suggestions.

 

[Caine]

How sad that some Marines find entertainment in a song about killing Iraqis, sick humor to say the least. Haditha and now this? What is going on with our troops in Iraq? Oh yeah... a sick, sad and unjustifiable war.

Bring our troops home soon before we lose all that is precious to our country, before we lose what made this country so compassionate so great, before we lose our edge! Please!








http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300342/

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. - A Marine corporal seen in a video singing about killing members of an Iraqi family says the song was a joke.

“It’s a song that I made up and it was nothing more than something supposed to be funny, based off a catchy line of a movie,” Cpl. Joshua Belile said in Wednesday’s Daily News of Jacksonville.

In a four-minute video called “Hadji Girl,” a singer who appears to be a Marine tells a cheering audience about gunning down members of an Iraqi woman’s family after they confront him with automatic weapons...

Oh boy! A Story from my hometown made it to Debate Politics!

 

[Caine]

Pull your head out of your asses people. Are we so desperate that we look to grandstand on this too?

You ever heard the term, "napalm sticks to kids?"

It's a term used in a ditty while running in formations. Many of our ditties involve killing people. It is motivating. It is the same sort of stuff found on Army Bases too. I guess some people don't stop to consider that a Marine's sole purpose is to kill. Do you people even realize that the Marine Corps doesn't have one unit that isn't centered around destruction and death? Even our Engineers are trained in explosives. There are approximately 177,000 active duty Marines who are warriors and trained killers that sing and run to these type of chants and songs. How dare they not sing about Care Bears, Bugs Bunny, and little froggies. :roll:

"My main objective is to be professional, but to kill him."

And yes, Gunny, the same **** gets sang while running in formations on Army bases, well, at least I knew it was at Fort Bragg. Paratroopers tend to be more hardcore than the rest of the "kind-ler, gentle-r army", but im certain its no different anywhere else.

The problem here is that people don't understand the mentality of those in the military. Yes, our jokes are sometimes viewed as immature, and "strange". Ive definately noticed that since Ive been out of the military, it seems like I have to change my way of looking at things, or maybe because the future police officers ive been working with are already headed into that "uptight snob cop" attitude.

Anyways, yeah, these people will never understand.

 

[Caine]

I didn't even mention respect. But I agree with you and I think most of us who serve or have served in the military joined for that reason.. to serve their country not for respect.

What are you talking about? I joined for the pay!!!

 

[Captain America]

You know, everybody has their reason or reasons for joining I suppose. I certainly had mine. And when asked, the correct response was "I owe it to serve my country." I certainly said it with conviction.

But I really didn't just wake up one morning and tell myself I love my country so much that I'm going down and join the miltary. We might have said it, but......... (Don't get me wrong, I do love my country....a lot.)

I pushed a buttload of booters through and not two of them had the same reason but they all gave the same answer.

More times than not, it was a love/jilted/financial/education/recruitment thing. But hey, we all love our country so why not?

 

[Jerry]

How sad that some Marines find entertainment in a song about killing Iraqis, sick humor to say the least......
...

Weak. Seriously weak.

I did, however, find a site with much better graphics and more detail on this issue, if anyone is interested.

You know, there are 3 types of people in this world......

 

[Caine]

You know, everybody has their reason or reasons for joining I suppose. I certainly had mine. And when asked, the correct response was "I owe it to serve my country." I certainly said it with conviction.

But I really didn't just wake up one morning and tell myself I love my country so much that I'm going down and join the miltary. We might have said it, but......... (Don't get me wrong, I do love my country....a lot.)

I pushed a buttload of booters through and not two of them had the same reason but they all gave the same answer.

More times than not, it was a love/jilted/financial/education/recruitment thing. But hey, we all love our country so why not?

lol... Absolutely.

I knew it was part of the "image" of being in the military.
But I never once told myself I was joining for the sole reason of "serving my country".
Anyone who really does is full of ****.

Of course, I didn't join for the pay either, well, I did kinda, I joined to get out of that Marine Corps hellhole town Jacksonville, NC. Where, unless you went to college, if you stayed there you'd end up working some low-wage job that sucked, having to put 3 guys in a $400 a month townhouse just to afford all your bills. Trust me, I left one of my best friends behind in Jacksonville, and thats what he does, poor guy.

Most people join because either they have a military tradition in thier family (which would be thier reason for wanting to "serve thier country"), their options were limited for careers where they live and they were not in the position to afford college, or even more personal ( I met a few guys who joined because of personal relationships with 9/11 victims, i.e. family members killed, etc.)

 

[jamesrage]

You know, everybody has their reason or reasons for joining I suppose. I certainly had mine. And when asked, the correct response was "I owe it to serve my country." I certainly said it with conviction.

But I really didn't just wake up one morning and tell myself I love my country so much that I'm going down and join the miltary. We might have said it, but......... (Don't get me wrong, I do love my country....a lot.)

I pushed a buttload of booters through and not two of them had the same reason but they all gave the same answer.

More times than not, it was a love/jilted/financial/education/recruitment thing. But hey, we all love our country so why not?

I joined becasue I wanted to serve my country and to see if this was something I wanted to do.

 

[Captain America]

I joined because my whole world fell out from under my feet and I had a 5 year old son that depended on me to feed, house, clothe, and provide healthcare for. My local job market was zilch and there wasn't anything I wouldn't do to take care of my son.

Desperation, security, benefits, income and most of all love. That's why I joined.

But I was, and still am, patriotic. Old Glory gives me the goosebumps.

 

[Captain America]

I joined becasue I wanted to serve my country and to see if this was something I wanted to do.

Good answer recruit! Now drop and give me 20! :mrgreen:

 

[Caine]

Good answer recruit! Now drop and give me 20! :mrgreen:

BWUAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.
:rofl

 

[Deegan]

I joined so that I could fly an F-16, and blow s**t up, but it was not to be.