I would classify enacting a mandatory period of service to the state as aggressively authoritarian in nature. Perhaps a mandatory number of weeks of private, non-profit volunteer work would be better?
how would forcing people to do volunteer work be better than paying them to do a job?
To pay every single person who turns 18/21 would probably cost a great deal of money that we don't have.
but no way would I have gotten into a fox hole or trusted the cover from someone who didn't agree or volunteer to serve.
that's not the point in the context of your post. you said mandatory service to the state was agressively authoritarian. how is forcing people to do volunteer work any less authoritarian?
people who don't know jack **** about the military really shouldn't talk about the military. it makes them look ignorant
What does this mean, and how did you arrive at this conclusion.
Who said I was referring to you in particular? Defensive are we?
Are you also saying that it is a form of slavery? If not, then I'm not really taling about your views. You're certainly entitled to your own opinions regarding morality, but when one places a label such as "slavery" on a certain institution, I must bring into question whether or not said institution actually fits the legal description of slavery.
kinda like the government forcing you to pay taxes,
or telling you what you can or cannot do on your own property because there is some endangered fungus growing on a rock in your backyard...
-- Nobody knows how they will respond until faced with the horror of it.
Oh didn't I mention? My father was a veteran of WWII and Korea and ended his 22 year career as a drill sergant.
Of course that doesn't mean he quit being a drill SGT.
Would you support a mandatory service when a person turns 21 or 18?
So how does that answer my question again? Do you talk to him about military folk the way you talk to us, chief?
No, he died when I was 13. I totally idolized him though and I wanted to join the military and his advice was; "you'll get killed, someone like me will order you to charge a machine gun nest and if you don't do it he'll shoot you himself."
And you should probably know that he didn't think Vietnam (or Korea for that matter) was a 'real' war and he wouldn't think Iraq and Afghanistan were either. I suppose it has to do with body count or the fact that 'total annihilation' is off the table these days...
I don't share his views though, he was also a racist and homophobe.
Oh yeah and I was basically verbally abused on a daily basis because an 8 year old can't do everything perfectly. So I guess I was being broken down into a self loathing little jerk and missed the reward of graduating into someone he would be proud of had he been able to complete his torment or whatever he was doing.
But after he died I started smoking and drinking then I went to marajuana and LSD. Started hanging out with skate-punks and hating highschool jocks...
Take from that what you will.
What i take from it is your resentment for your father dying is taken out with cheap shots at the military. Add to that resentment of successful folk and cowering behind drugs to escape. I have all i need to know here abou you and your motives. :thumbs:
Well I don't really resent successful people, my dad didn't finish highschool, lied about his age and joined the Army. Before he died our family owned a successful masonry plant... we had enough money to travel for 2 months out of every summer.
Otherwise you're right, except it was anger not resentment and we all know anger is a secondary emotion most often triggered by fear.
So what are you afraid of that makes you so angry at me?
Not so. Anger is a secondary emotion most often triggered by pain...not fear. Anxiety is the by-product of fear.
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