Manchin demands Biden apologize for 'outrageous' coal comments: 'Time he learn a lesson'

[John3945]

Let's all vote republican and be as awesome as West Virginia.

What don't you like about West Virginia?

 

[ttwtt78640]

The need for a resource and then lessening need for a resource (coal) caused the issue.

I was addressing the education issue which you raised.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I was addressing the education issue which you raised.

It wasn't necessary before as the community was thriving (at least to their expectation) until the economic circumstance changed.

 

[Crovax]

The entire coal industry employees less people than Arby's, and Arby's needs workers.

Arby's doesn't deserve workers, they deserve to go out of business. The Arby's in my city still hasn't opened their dining room yet citing "community wide" staffing shortages meanwhile there is a Chik Fila next to it is staffed to the max with at least 20 people working every time I go in there.

 

[sub1028]

The entire coal industry employees less people than Arby's, and Arby's needs workers.

most college professors should be employed there they are overpaid fat ****s, another liberal caring comment

 

[Noodlegawd]

most college professors should be employed there they are overpaid fat ****s, another liberal caring comment

Drug dealers need to make money too. No sympathy for them?

 

[LostInSeattle]

Coal has been gradually replaced over the last 15 years, primarily by uber cheap gas natural - the result of fracking, and increased investment in energy efficiency. Though this has happened primarily on the basis of cost, coal is also dirtier to mine (though the full consequences of hydraulic fracturing have yet to be determined), dirtier to burn, and less efficient than gas. Pointing the finger at wind and solar is silly and ahistorical.

Making matters worse for east coast miners has been a shift in the primary locus of production from Appalachia to the cheaper Powder River Basin in the west. Like replacement by gas, this is purely market driven.

Going forward, I am sure the Biden administration hopes that coal plant retirements are replaced largely with renewables. And gas isn't as cheap as it used to be.

The government doesn't retire coal plants; the owners (utilities and merchant operators) do.

Manchin has always favored coal companies, who are famous for really caring about their workers (sarcasm). Helping them retrain and encouraging diversified economic activity is the best thing he could do for his constituents and their families. Protecting coal companies is the best thing he can do for himself.

 

[bomberfox]

Coal simply isn't efficient enough. By today's requirements, you may as well burn wood.

British thermal units (Btu) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

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I long for the day Manchin loses his wealth.

 

[bomberfox]

I'm in an industry that is on track to be decimated by progress before too long. It sucks - but if we want to be a first-world country we have to know that things change.

You deserve to be brought along .

 

[yankintx]

Trump’s promise to put coal miners back to work was a failure

In 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump made a promise to coal miners at a rally in West Virginia. “For those miners, get ready because you’re going to be working your asses off,” he told them, wearing a white hard hat. “We’ll be winning, winning, winning.”

qz.com

And the suckers believed him, as did the steel industry in PA.

 

[notquiteright]

renewables are supposedly cheaper, but since they cant be a primary source ( no storage or in demand ramp up) and require subsides
Coal is still sought after in India and China.. nuclear is still the best option. Macron is pushing nuclear.. Shutting down coal is nuts

Manchin demands Biden apologize for 'outrageous' coal comments: 'Time he learn a lesson'

Sen. Joe Manchin tore into President Biden for comments on Friday in which he said that coal plants will be shut down and replaced with renewable energy.

www.foxnews.com

No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant," Biden said.

"So it's going to become a wind generation," Biden continued. "And all they're doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we're going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power."

Let me be clear, this is something the President has never said to me," Manchin said of the Biden comments. "Being cavalier about the loss of coal jobs for men and women in West Virginia and across the country who literally put their lives on the line to help build and power this country is offensive and disgusting.

"The President owes these incredible workers an immediate and public apology and it is time he learn a lesson that his words matter and have consequences," Manchin said.

Manchin is bought by Big Coal. Power plants are shutting down plants that relied on Eastern Soft Coal. They are decades old, can't ramp up quickly is shut down when demand is low...

The era of soft eastern coal is over. The mines have to go too far underground, and mine owners cut safety corners without any real fear of punishment. Manchin is riding a dying horse. Now that he isn't THE one to kill democratic bills, who is listening to him???

Oh yeah, MAGA whiners...

 

[Glitch]

Coal is not the preferred energy source. Eventually it'll all be shut down. However to mitigate risks associated with severe energy shortages (i.e war, natural disaster, etc) I think they should keep at least some coal infrastructure going until other forms of energy production reach full maturity/reliability. Also more importantly, with a working system/model we can scale up and expand if we absolutely have to.

Just because coal is not the preferred energy source does not mean it will all be shut down. There are preferences and then there are practical considerations. For example, the natural gas resources for the city of Anchorage are running out, and there are two large coal mines within a few miles of the city. The city is using power from every source it has available, including hydroelectric, wind, solar, and beginning next year a 5 MW tidal generator. However, it is still not enough.

Anchorage currently has one coal power plant, but as the natural gas diminishes the only other resource at Anchorage's disposal to replace that power is coal. Eventually they may develop a geothermal power plant on the Augustine volcano, but not before they run out of power.

Contrary to popular belief, the coal power plants built today are not like those built at the turn of the 20th century, any more than your vehicle is similar to Ford's Model-T. They are significantly cleaner and more efficient. A century of advancing technology has a tendency to do that to an industry.

 

[Jacksprat]

Manchin needs to shut up. We no longer need his vote. Let him go to the GOP and see how much power he has.

 

[LadyCaptain]

You deserve to be brought along .

Thank you, I think I'll be able to retire by the time it happens, but I feel sorry for the young workers coming up. It will be a good thing for the country as a whole and the generations to come.

 

[mrjurrs]

Screw you Senator.

 

[Gatsby]

No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant," Biden said.

"So it's going to become a wind generation," Biden continued. "And all they're doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we're going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power."

Let me be clear, this is something the President has never said to me," Manchin said of the Biden comments. "Being cavalier about the loss of coal jobs for men and women in West Virginia and across the country who literally put their lives on the line to help build and power this country is offensive and disgusting.

"The President owes these incredible workers an immediate and public apology and it is time he learn a lesson that his words matter and have consequences," Manchin said.

I mean...Biden is not wrong. But it's probably something he doesn't need to say out loud if it's going to piss off Manchin.

 

[Manc Skipper]

I long for the day Manchin loses his wealth.

With a Democratic Senate majority he's lost his relevance, Biden no longer has to pander to him.

 

[Integrityrespec]

renewables are supposedly cheaper, but since they cant be a primary source ( no storage or in demand ramp up) and require subsides
Coal is still sought after in India and China.. nuclear is still the best option. Macron is pushing nuclear.. Shutting down coal is nuts

Manchin demands Biden apologize for 'outrageous' coal comments: 'Time he learn a lesson'

Sen. Joe Manchin tore into President Biden for comments on Friday in which he said that coal plants will be shut down and replaced with renewable energy.

www.foxnews.com

No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant," Biden said.

"So it's going to become a wind generation," Biden continued. "And all they're doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we're going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power."

Let me be clear, this is something the President has never said to me," Manchin said of the Biden comments. "Being cavalier about the loss of coal jobs for men and women in West Virginia and across the country who literally put their lives on the line to help build and power this country is offensive and disgusting.

"The President owes these incredible workers an immediate and public apology and it is time he learn a lesson that his words matter and have consequences," Manchin said.

Biden is so damn dumb. Wind is never going to replace fossil fuels. If that stupid ass would get some opinions from scientist on the other side of the issue he'd find out real quick that he's pissing in the wind. Wind and solar will never be more that about 20% of the power that runs the nation and the world. You can wish all you want, believe the climate crisis liberals but 20, 30, 50 years from now that's not going to change. We have a President that is harming the country and the people by slowing fossil fuel production and bragging about doing it.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Rep. Khanna on Twitter, Free Speech, and the Hunter Biden Story

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Joe can be pissed but he helped Joe pass legislation that will hurt America. Manchin is far too conservative for the current democrat party and a President who vowed to kill all coal plants and get rid of all fossil fuels.
Manchin needs to switch parties. He is failing to protect the men and women he represents because he votes with the climate freaks on their legislation.

 

[KingLeo]

renewables are supposedly cheaper, but since they cant be a primary source ( no storage or in demand ramp up) and require subsides
Coal is still sought after in India and China.. nuclear is still the best option. Macron is pushing nuclear.. Shutting down coal is nuts

Manchin demands Biden apologize for 'outrageous' coal comments: 'Time he learn a lesson'

Sen. Joe Manchin tore into President Biden for comments on Friday in which he said that coal plants will be shut down and replaced with renewable energy.

www.foxnews.com

No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant," Biden said.

"So it's going to become a wind generation," Biden continued. "And all they're doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we're going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power."

Let me be clear, this is something the President has never said to me," Manchin said of the Biden comments. "Being cavalier about the loss of coal jobs for men and women in West Virginia and across the country who literally put their lives on the line to help build and power this country is offensive and disgusting.

"The President owes these incredible workers an immediate and public apology and it is time he learn a lesson that his words matter and have consequences," Manchin said.

Biden is right.
Since 2011 more than 120 former coal powered plants have been converted to gas.'That trend will continue.
Coal for US electric production will continue to decrease.
In 2005 coal made up about 50% of US electricity generation.
In 2022 that number is around 20%.

 

[Integrityrespec]

But Trump said coal was coming back!!

He pandered and the uneducated rubes lapped it up. Trump did the same with the steel industry in PA 2016. Perhaps that's why the man lost PA in 2020, empty BS promises.

Biden is a compulsive liar, always has been. He'll say anything that sounds good to him at the moment.

 

[yankintx]

Biden is a compulsive liar, always has been. He'll say anything that sounds good to him at the moment.

And Trump did not ?

 

[Dans La Lune]

renewables are supposedly cheaper, but since they cant be a primary source ( no storage or in demand ramp up) and require subsides
Coal is still sought after in India and China.. nuclear is still the best option. Macron is pushing nuclear.. Shutting down coal is nuts

Manchin demands Biden apologize for 'outrageous' coal comments: 'Time he learn a lesson'

Sen. Joe Manchin tore into President Biden for comments on Friday in which he said that coal plants will be shut down and replaced with renewable energy.

www.foxnews.com

No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant," Biden said.

"So it's going to become a wind generation," Biden continued. "And all they're doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we're going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power."

Let me be clear, this is something the President has never said to me," Manchin said of the Biden comments. "Being cavalier about the loss of coal jobs for men and women in West Virginia and across the country who literally put their lives on the line to help build and power this country is offensive and disgusting.

"The President owes these incredible workers an immediate and public apology and it is time he learn a lesson that his words matter and have consequences," Manchin said.

Coal is a dying industry. That's just the way it is, and I'm not interested in reading a corrupt Coal Baron's take on it. Manchin is easily among the most corrupt politicians in America.

 

[Ishm]

Biden is so damn dumb. Wind is never going to replace fossil fuels. If that stupid ass would get some opinions from scientist on the other side of the issue he'd find out real quick that he's pissing in the wind. Wind and solar will never be more that about 20% of the power that runs the nation and the world. You can wish all you want, believe the climate crisis liberals but 20, 30, 50 years from now that's not going to change. We have a President that is harming the country and the people by slowing fossil fuel production and bragging about doing it.

Wind, Solar, Traditional Geothermal, Hydro, Tidal, Hot Rock, Wave, Nuclear......... The days of fossil fuel power generation will linger for a long time in specific applications, but renewable energy is going to become dominant over the next few decades. There are already dozens of countries around the world who are above 50% generation from renewables, and more of you include nuclear as a clean energy. Renewables are no longer fringe technologies. They are where all the R&D investment is going, and are already cheaper in many cases than fossil powered generation.

Who in their right mind wants to stay held to ransom by the fossil fuel industry (like Europe today) when you can build generation that you totally control and has a totally stable generation cost???? Imagine if the world was 20 years further ahead in renewable energy production, Russian war driving oil and gas prices higher - who cares. As opposed to today when the world is facing a huge recession due to balooning energy costs as the fossil fuel companies rake in the boom in profits.

 

[Quag]

Coal shrunk under Trump who said he was bringing it back
Only idiots think coal will come back