Male Opt Out

[ecofarm]

If a woman abdicates her moral beliefs by having sex...

Whoa.

 

[Lursa]

If a woman abdicates her moral beliefs by having sex she can not say she is morally opossed to abortion. I agree with you

Are you saying she's morally opposed to sex?

Otherwise, she abdicates nothing. Both Y2Y & I have spelled this out clearly for you: she can do whatever she feels morally right: have an abortion or have a kid. And she accepts the risks of that choice.

So someday, if you ever manage to actually understand...then you will agree. Keep trying. Someday, your struggle will be worth it! :mrgreen:

 

[vegas giants]

Are you saying she's morally opposed to sex?

Otherwise, she abdicates nothing. Both Y2Y & I have spelled this out clearly for you: she can do whatever she feels morally right: have an abortion or have a kid. And she accepts the risks of that choice.

So someday, if you ever manage to actually understand...then you will agree. Keep trying. Someday, your struggle will be worth it! :mrgreen:

Are you saying men are moraly opposed to sex? These are your words....if you don't know what they mean who does? LOL

 

[Lursa]

Are you saying men are moraly opposed to sex? These are your words....if you don't know what they mean who does? LOL

Never did. Why did you just right that? Are you unable to articulate your argument?

Or, please post my quote where I wrote men are morally opposed to sex?

Or, admit you are lying.

See...you have several options. :mrgreen:

 

[soylentgreen]

It can certainly be the other way around too

Certainly if shared custody is arranged between the two. But your continued lie that you are being forced to be a parent or the one bringing up the child has the easy part is how low you sink in your disingenuous desire to seek pity.

 

[vegas giants]

Certainly if shared custody is arranged between the two. But your continued lie that you are being forced to be a parent or the one bringing up the child has the easy part is how low you sink in your disingenuous desire to seek pity.

The woman has a chance to opt out financially post conception. The man should have that same chance

 

[vegas giants]

Never did. Why did you just right that? Are you unable to articulate your argument?

Or, please post my quote where I wrote men are morally opposed to sex?

Or, admit you are lying.

See...you have several options. :mrgreen:

When did I say specifically that women are opposed to sex? Have you read this thread? LOL

 

[vegas giants]

How important were their morals when they chose to have sex?

How come their morals only became important when they lost their gamble?

If their moral beliefs on the subject were that important to them, they would have avoided that risk. :mrgreen:

Note the highlighted section!

 

[Lursa]

When did I say specifically that women are opposed to sex? Have you read this thread? LOL

nah uh uh...you were specifically discussing moral beliefs and objections. No moving the goal posts.

And right here. Otherwise, what did you mean? I asked you to explain:

If a woman abdicates her moral beliefs by having sex she can not say she is morally opossed to abortion. I agree with you

Please, feel free to explain?

 

[Lursa]

How important were their morals when they chose to have sex?

How come their morals only became important when they lost their gamble?

If their moral beliefs on the subject were that important to them, they would have avoided that risk. :mrgreen:

Note the highlighted section!

Right. If men want to morally roll avoid the financial obligation, they dont risk having sex. They can avoid having sex to remain within their moral beliefs.

If a woman wants to avoid the *moral* consequences of pregnancy (because it's not possible to avoid the physical ones), she doesnt have sex or she accepts whichever consequence conforms to her moral beliefs: abortion or pregnancy.

Seriously, this is a simple concept that we've tried explaining to you many times. Take some 'alone time' with it, please. See if you can figure it out with quiet and concentration. :doh

 

[OlNate]

Uh....so was drinking from the white water fountain if you were black at one time. DUH

We want the law to change

Can you please explain, in detail, why you would put black segregation, which impacted all of black America, in the same category of men who are upset that they have to pay their fair share for the child they helped create, which only impacts a small, distinctly "less than" segment of male America? To me it appears that racism, something that one faces through something they had no control over, thanks to genetics, is different than males being forced to face their responsibilities, something they could have avoided simply by dropping a dollar into a condom machine before going in.

But maybe you have a different perspective that I am missing. Because from here there is no systematic assault against men, due to the fact that the majority of men do not want or need this protection.

 

[vegas giants]

Can you please explain, in detail, why you would put black segregation, which impacted all of black America, in the same category of men who are upset that they have to pay their fair share for the child they helped create, which only impacts a small, distinctly "less than" segment of male America? To me it appears that racism, something that one faces through something they had no control over, thanks to genetics, is different than males being forced to face their responsibilities, something they could have avoided simply by dropping a dollar into a condom machine before going in.

But maybe you have a different perspective that I am missing. Because from here there is no systematic assault against men, due to the fact that the majority of men do not want or need this protection.

There is a systemic violation of the civil rights of men. Women have a post conception financial opt out. So should men. They should not be discriminated against on the basis of gender

 

[vegas giants]

Right. If men want to morally roll avoid the financial obligation, they dont risk having sex. They can avoid having sex to remain within their moral beliefs.

If a woman wants to avoid the *moral* consequences of pregnancy (because it's not possible to avoid the physical ones), she doesnt have sex or she accepts whichever consequence conforms to her moral beliefs: abortion or pregnancy.

Seriously, this is a simple concept that we've tried explaining to you many times. Take some 'alone time' with it, please. See if you can figure it out with quiet and concentration. :doh

Its not possible for women to avoid the physical consequences of pregnancy? Of course it is

 

[OlNate]

There is a systemic violation of the civil rights of men. Women have a post conception financial opt out. So should men. They should not be discriminated against on the basis of gender

So, if you want to make it "equal", how do we impose the same physical risks that women are exposed to, utilizing their "post conception financial opt out" to men?

 

[vegas giants]

Right. If men want to morally roll avoid the financial obligation, they dont risk having sex. They can avoid having sex to remain within their moral beliefs.

If a woman wants to avoid the *moral* consequences of pregnancy (because it's not possible to avoid the physical ones), she doesnt have sex or she accepts whichever consequence conforms to her moral beliefs: abortion or pregnancy.

Seriously, this is a simple concept that we've tried explaining to you many times. Take some 'alone time' with it, please. See if you can figure it out with quiet and concentration. :doh

Men should also accept the financial consequence that conforms to their moral belief financially. You said it perfectly. LOL

 

[Lursa]

There is a systemic violation of the civil rights of men. Women have a post conception financial opt out. So should men. They should not be discriminated against on the basis of gender

They arent discriminated against.

Men that gestate now (as does happen) would have the same choices...abortion/have a kid. Once he's gestating, the egg donor would have no ability to 'opt out' of financial responsibilities towards that kid.

Not remotely leading to gender discrimination in today's modern world of medical miracles.

See? Equal! :mrgreen:

 

[vegas giants]

So, if you want to make it "equal", how do we impose the same physical risks that women are exposed to, utilizing their "post conception financial opt out" to men?

We can't. How do we allow men to have the same right to allow the fetus to be born the woman has if he wants it and she doesn't? We can't. We just make it as equal as possible

 

[vegas giants]

They arent discriminated against.

Men that gestate now (as does happen) would have the same choices...abortion/have a kid. Once he's gestating, the egg donor would have no ability to 'opt out' of financial responsibilities towards that kid.

Not remotely leading to gender discrimination in today's modern world of medical miracles.

See? Equal! :mrgreen:

Nope. Currently there is gender discrimination against men which is a violation of law.

 

[Lursa]

Men should also accept the financial consequence that conforms to their moral belief financially. You said it perfectly. LOL

No, I didnt say that. I said they had to accept their financial consequences and if they didnt want to abdicate their moral beliefs, then they needed to decide that before having sex.

Just like women.

It's very very sad that you are incapable of understanding the very clearly written post that you responded to. Again: some time to reflect on it alone may provide you the means to avoid further embarrassment.

Here it is for you to mull over again:

Right. If men want to morally roll avoid the financial obligation, they dont risk having sex. They can avoid having sex to remain within their moral beliefs.

If a woman wants to avoid the *moral* consequences of pregnancy (because it's not possible to avoid the physical ones), she doesnt have sex or she accepts whichever consequence conforms to her moral beliefs: abortion or pregnancy.

Seriously, this is a simple concept that we've tried explaining to you many times. Take some 'alone time' with it, please. See if you can figure it out with quiet and concentration. :doh

 

[Lursa]

Nope. Currently there is gender discrimination against men which is a violation of law.

No, that's not true. Currently, men gestate and the laws pertain equally to them.

What laws are violated?

 

[vegas giants]

No, I didnt say that. I said they had to accept their financial consequences and if they didnt want to abdicate their moral beliefs, then they needed to decide that before having sex.

Just like women.

It's very very sad that you are incapable of understanding the very clearly written post that you responded to. Again: some time to reflect on it alone may provide you the means to avoid further embarrassment.

Here it is for you to mull over again:

How important were their morals when they chose to have sex?

How come their morals only became important when they lost their gamble?

If their moral beliefs on the subject were that important to them, they would have avoided that risk.


Sounds pretty clear to me. Women can only have moral objections to abortion before sex

 

[vegas giants]

No, that's not true. Currently, men gestate and the laws pertain equally to them.

What laws are violated?

Gender discrimination is a violation of federal law

 

[OlNate]

We can't. How do we allow men to have the same right to allow the fetus to be born the woman has if he wants it and she doesn't? We can't. We just make it as equal as possible

Ah...so long as it is in the man's favor, amirite? :lol:

Here's another post where you just lost. Maybe your idea needs reworking, if so many roads lead directly from it to failure. Not that I am surprised that someone who advocates for a male opt out would think he had a solution that he claims is about equality, but directly creates yet another situation where women face a disparity of privilege compared to men.

Sorry, the current laws are there to make it "as equal as possible". And given your lack of concern about your "solution" being inherently unfair to women, I'm sure you'll understand when no one cares about your supposed inequality you supposedly face. :shrug:

 

[OlNate]

Gender discrimination is a violation of federal law

Which you admit to having no problem with, so long as it's the woman who is discriminated against.

 

[vegas giants]

Ah...so long as it is in the man's favor, amirite? :lol:

Here's another post where you just lost. Maybe your idea needs reworking, if so many roads lead directly from it to failure. Not that I am surprised that someone who advocates for a male opt out would think he had a solution that he claims is about equality, but directly creates yet another situation where women face a disparity of privilege compared to men.

Sorry, the current laws are there to make it "as equal as possible". And given your lack of concern about your "solution" being inherently unfair to women, I'm sure you'll understand when no one cares about your supposed inequality you supposedly face. :shrug:

The law will always be in a woman's favor in one way. She can kill that fetus even if he desperately wants it. And we just have to accept that. I accept it