Make the Case Against Obama with Evidence

[Conservative]

Not so. The point of the stimulus as it was presented by Obama was to stop unemployment. It has failed in that regard.
Secondly, the government cannot hand out any money that it doesnt take away from markets. Markets that probably would either use it better or fail and be replaced with something that does use it better.

Yep, those outstanding Obama results

YouTube - ‪American Crossroads "Recovery Summer"‬‏

 

[Whovian]

b hussein obama is going to declare a state of emergency and permanently postpone elections , thus triggering the Second American Revolution in the fight against the socialist police state. I will be at the helm of this fight ready and willing to defend our country from this animal. if we do not assemble against he and the socialisitic islamic pigs we will fall. the revolution is coming he will postpone the elections and we will become islamic slaves if we do not stand up with arms .

Heck...uhhhhh. I'll have double of whatever it is your taking.

apparently a single is sufficient

 

[haymarket]

Yep, those outstanding Obama results

YouTube - ‪American Crossroads "Recovery Summer"‬‏

Compared to Bush, President Obama did produce outstanding results.

Here is the Obama record on unemployment compared with the record of the man before him - George Bush

When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
That is an increase of 81%.

When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
That is an increase of 19%

Bush was four times worse than the man you constantly criticize for growing the unemployment figures. That is an amazing record compared to the previous President.

 

[mpg]

This shouldn't be a Bush vs Obama thread. Who hijacked it?

 

[Conservative]

This shouldn't be a Bush Vs Obama thread. Who hijacked it?

Obama supporters who want to divert from the Obama record. They cannot understand how they have been duped by the Obama and liberal leftwing rhetoric. No President in modern history has ever had 15 million unemployed Americans, added 4 trillion to the debt in two years, spent so much money to get so little economic growth, and lied as repeatedly as Obama including his lies to sell his Stimulus plan promoting shovel ready jobs.

 

[disneydude]

LOL...con....if you say it enough, perhaps even you will actually start believing it. You also think that everything is going rosy in Texas, when the facts say otherwise....you see what you want to see, your love and admiration have blinded you.

 

[Conservative]

LOL...con....if you say it enough, perhaps even you will actually start believing it. You also think that everything is going rosy in Texas, when the facts say otherwise....you see what you want to see, your love and admiration have blinded you.

I have given you the actual numbers from verifiable sites and yet you ignore them. Still waiting for an answer why the numbers were so bad with Democrat control of Congress and so good with Republican control along with a Republican President? I see the numbers, you see what you have been brainwashed into believing. My bet is you have never been to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of Economic Analysis, or U.S. Treasury sites to verify what you have been told. That doesn't help your crediblity nor do you seem to care.

 

[haymarket]

Obama supporters who want to divert from the Obama record.

Lets look at the Obama record:

When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
That is an increase of 19%

Now look at the record of the guy in your avatar who preceded him and set the table for him

When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
That is an increase of 81%.

The growth in unemployment was over 400% higher under Bush that it is under the Obama record.

And thats a fact.

 

[mpg]

Lets look at the Obama record:

When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
That is an increase of 19%

Now look at the record of the guy in your avatar who preceded him and set the table for him

When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
That is an increase of 81%.

The growth in unemployment was over 400% higher under Bush that it is under the Obama record.

And thats a fact.

You're playing into his hands.

 

[haymarket]

You're playing into his hands.

how is that?

 

[Conservative]

You're playing into his hands.

Isn't it great, we only have 15 million plus unemployed and because the unemployment percentage change is better that is a good thing. Notice how no liberal can explain how Bush created this problem and why the ecoinomic performance was so much better under the GOP Coingress with a GOP President than under a Democrat Controlled Congress from 2008-2011. I doubt that the American people who are unemployed today believe Obama has done a better job than Bush but as has been pointed out, this thread is about Obama and that is why the diversion to Bush. It is a losing argument but with the Obama record that is all they can do.

 

[haymarket]

from Conservative who keep dodging and hiding from the facts

It is a losing argument but with the Obama record that is all they can do.

Bush increased unemployment by 81% during his tenure.
Obnama has increased it by 19% during his tenure.
The rate of growth of unemployment was over 400% greater under Bush.

The Obama record is damn good considering the flaming bag of dog poop that was left on the porch the day he took over the residence.

 

[Conservative]

This shouldn't be a Bush vs Obama thread. Who hijacked it?

Here is the record on unemployment that Obama supporters want to ignore

2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767 14843 15119 14485
2011 13863 13673 13542 13747 13914

Discouraged workers

2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822

Unemployed + Discouraged

2008 8095 7831 8194 8043 8797 8980 9356 9890 10036 10656 11225 12042
2009 12653 13445 13995 14556 15310 15514 15330 15751 15865 16420 16201 16196 181236
2010 15902 16075 15999 16457 16056 15830 15784 15970 15976 16062 16401 15803 192315
2011 14856 14693 14463 14736 14736

12.6 million unwmployed January 2009
14.7 million unemployed May 2011

It only cost over a trillion dollars to get an increase in 2.1 million unemployed Americans. I want to see that on a campaign sign

 

[mpg]

how is that?

He claimed that you were using Bush to divert attention away from Obama.

 

[Conservative]

He claimed that you were using Bush to divert attention away from Obama.

Doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in discussing the Obama record. Republicans took a beating in 2008 with Democrats gaining overwhelming control of the Congress and Obama won the WH. He sold the electorate on the fact that he had the solutions and would clean up the so called mess he inherited. Today we now have a new definition of cleaning up the mess, 15 million unemployed Americans, 4 trillion added to the debt, 1.8% GDP growth, and lies over and over about accomplishments including Recovery summer and shovel ready jobs.

YouTube - ‪American Crossroads "Recovery Summer"‬‏

 

[haymarket]

He claimed that you were using Bush to divert attention away from Obama.

One can only appreciate what Obama has done in this very tough economic time if you look at what was done before he arrived on the scene. Conservative simply wants to hide his head in the sand pretending that Bush did not increase the growth in the unemployment rate more than 400% more than Obama did. But its a very inconvenient truth just the same.

 

[heckgunderson]

One can only appreciate what Obama has done in this very tough economic time if you look at what was done before he arrived on the scene. Conservative simply wants to hide his head in the sand pretending that Bush did not increase the growth in the unemployment rate more than 400% more than Obama did. But its a very inconvenient truth just the same.

obama has employed a lot of his people at his community organizer place has he not

 

[obvious Child]

Not so. The point of the stimulus as it was presented by Obama was to stop unemployment.

Actually it was to slow it. Which it did.

It has failed in that regard.

See above.

Btw, you are being highly dishonest right now. The stimulus prevented a massive decline in GDP and spending. That alone means it did not fail. And trying to find SOMETHING it failed while ignoring the only real reason a stimulus during a recession exists is EXCESSIVELY dishonest even for this place.

Secondly, the government cannot hand out any money that it doesnt take away from markets.

And who exactly did we point guns at and take their money? The stimulus was debt financed. That debt was freely bought. You are wrong. The market decided on its own accord that US debt was worth buying. Again, you are wrong. Crackpots tend to think that there are government agents out there forcing people to buy US debt at gun point rather then actually understanding how US debt offerings are made. The market made the free, unforced, uncoerced choice to invest in US debt. That debt financed the stimulus. Therefore, the government did not take any money away from the market. It was traded freely, openly and cleanly for a promise of a return. By your reasoning, corporate debt, mortgages and all other forms of debt are "taking money away from the market."

I see you aren't foolish enough to keep up with the "You're a liberal" bat**** argument. Good. There's hope for you.

Markets that probably would either use it better or fail and be replaced with something that does use it better.

Then you need to learn how a debt offering works. Because you seem to think that someone forced people and organizations to buy US debt.

 

[Conservative]

Here is the record on unemployment that Obama supporters want to ignore

2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767 14843 15119 14485
2011 13863 13673 13542 13747 13914

Discouraged workers

2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822

Unemployed + Discouraged

2008 8095 7831 8194 8043 8797 8980 9356 9890 10036 10656 11225 12042
2009 12653 13445 13995 14556 15310 15514 15330 15751 15865 16420 16201 16196 181236
2010 15902 16075 15999 16457 16056 15830 15784 15970 15976 16062 16401 15803 192315
2011 14856 14693 14463 14736 14736

12.6 million unwmployed January 2009
14.7 million unemployed May 2011

It only cost over a trillion dollars to get an increase in 2.1 million unemployed Americans. I want to see that on a campaign sign

For those that continue to want to blame Bush for the economic numbers, here is a report on the unemployment by control of Congress. GW Bush never had the control of Congress that Obama had from 2009-2011 and yet he did have control of Congress from 2003-2007. Notice the unemployment numbers when the Democrats controlled at least one House of Congress, 2001-2002 and total control from 2008-2010. We went into recession in 2001 and 2008. Which Party was in power?

Democrat Control of the Senate in 2001-2002, total control from 2007-2010

Unemployment by Month

Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307
2008 7628 7435 7793 7631 8397 8560 8895 9509 9569 10172
2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612
2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767 14843
2011 13863 13673 13542 13747 13914

GOP Control of Congress, January 2003 8520 unemployed, December 2007 7253

2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273

These are the kind of numbers liberals want to ignore and divert from.

 

[Donc]

b hussein obama is going to declare a state of emergency and permanently postpone elections , thus triggering the Second American Revolution in the fight against the socialist police state. I will be at the helm of this fight ready and willing to defend our country from this animal. if we do not assemble against he and the socialisitic islamic pigs we will fall. the revolution is coming he will postpone the elections and we will become islamic slaves if we do not stand up with arms .

Gotta have at least one loon in a thread are its not a complete thread.:roll:

 

[mpg]

One can only appreciate what Obama has done in this very tough economic time if you look at what was done before he arrived on the scene. Conservative simply wants to hide his head in the sand pretending that Bush did not increase the growth in the unemployment rate more than 400% more than Obama did. But its a very inconvenient truth just the same.

Conservatives criticize Bush for his LIBERAL economic policies. Bush's approval rating wouldn't be so low if conservatives liked him. Obama's economic policies are FAR more liberal, so of course they're going to criticize him also. There's no contradiction there.

 

[Conservative]

Conservatives criticize Bush for his LIBERAL economic policies. Bush's approval rating wouldn't be so low if conservatives liked him. Obama's economic policies are FAR more liberal, so of course they're going to criticize him also. There's no contradiction there.

My criticisms of Obama are his policies, not anything personal. How can anyone say that things are better when there are 2.1 million more people unemployed, almost 3 million fewer people employed, rising numbers of discouraged workers and chronic unemployed, 4 trillion added to the debt, and 1.8% economic growth? Obama supporters love to state that which they cannot prove, that things would be worse were it not for Obama policies. The fact is things ARE worse

 

[obvious Child]

Conservatives criticize Bush for his LIBERAL economic policies. Bush's approval rating wouldn't be so low if conservatives liked him. Obama's economic policies are FAR more liberal, so of course they're going to criticize him also. There's no contradiction there.

Which basically means that Conservative is a hack then as he refuses to criticize Bush for his liberal policies. And Obama is little more then Bush's 3rd term.

 

[haymarket]

Here is the record on unemployment that Obama supporters want to ignore

Here is the record that YOU continually want to ignore: George Bush increased the unemployment rate by more than 400% over the rate of increase under President Obama.

And thats a fact.

When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
That is an increase of 81%.

When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
That is an increase of 19%

 

[ecofarm]

the rate of increase

A rate of increase that does not account for time. That's odd.