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This is the new America for you.

While a majority of jobs lost during the downturn were in the middle range of wages, a majority of those added during the recovery have been low paying, according to a new report from the National Employment Law Project.

The disappearance of midwage, midskill jobs is part of a longer-term trend that some refer to as a hollowing out of the work force, though it has probably been accelerated by government layoffs.

“The overarching message here is we don’t just have a jobs deficit; we have a ‘good jobs’ deficit,” said Annette Bernhardt, the report’s author and a policy co-director at the National Employment Law Project, a liberal research and advocacy group.

The report looked at 366 occupations tracked by the Labor Department and clumped them into three equal groups by wage, with each representing a third of American employment in 2008. The middle third — occupations in fields like construction, manufacturing and information, with median hourly wages of $13.84 to $21.13 — accounted for 60 percent of job losses from the beginning of 2008 to early 2010.

The job market has turned around since then, but those fields have represented only 22 percent of total job growth. Higher-wage occupations — those with a median wage of $21.14 to $54.55 — represented 19 percent of job losses when employment was falling, and 20 percent of job gains when employment began growing again.

Lower-wage occupations, with median hourly wages of $7.69 to $13.83, accounted for 21 percent of job losses during the retraction. Since employment started expanding, they have accounted for 58 percent of all job growth.

The occupations with the fastest growth were retail sales (at a median wage of $10.97 an hour) and food preparation workers ($9.04 an hour). Each category has grown by more than 300,000 workers since June 2009.

Majority of New Jobs Pay Low Wages, Study Finds - Yahoo! Finance

Don't worry if you work for the government expect to make the salary of most engineers do. But you'll spend most of your time surfing yahoo all day long then doing actual work.
 
That's the sort of thing -- "McJobs" -- they always say to sully and talk down the economy during Republican administrations.

Now we're truly in a jobless recovery, and that kind of chatter isn't coming from the usual places for some reason.
 
Not really surprising. Create an environment in which the job creators believe they are going to be screwed, and they will clamp down. Create an environment in which they are encouraged to produce profits and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and they will be more likely to share the enthusiasm and spread the wealth around voluntarily.
 
This is the new America for you.



Majority of New Jobs Pay Low Wages, Study Finds - Yahoo! Finance

Don't worry if you work for the government expect to make the salary of most engineers do. But you'll spend most of your time surfing yahoo all day long then doing actual work.

I completely agree with this. And I like Harshaw's calling them McJobs. When big business and smaller big business starts laying off tens of thousands of people...millions...they are never going to be hiring back at the same rate. The job growth we're seeing is not a fair showing of how the economy is growing. Those great jobs are going to take years to gain back.
 
I completely agree with this. And I like Harshaw's calling them McJobs. When big business and smaller big business starts laying off tens of thousands of people...millions...they are never going to be hiring back at the same rate. The job growth we're seeing is not a fair showing of how the economy is growing. Those great jobs are going to take years to gain back.

And it's going to take a change in the national state of mind, back to a more centrist and realistic outlook and expectation.
 
Not really surprising. Create an environment in which the job creators believe they are going to be screwed, and they will clamp down. Create an environment in which they are encouraged to produce profits and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and they will be more likely to share the enthusiasm and spread the wealth around voluntarily.

Well, the job creators didn't create jobs in the past 10 years so what says doing anything more will spur these "job creators" into creating jobs. Not to mention the top 5% is sitting on 40 trillion dollars in wealth-so i think they don't have a problem in the capital department but perhaps the problem is demand. Demand that has been dwindling because the middle class has been squishy squashed..
 
Well, the job creators didn't create jobs in the past 10 years so what says doing anything more will spur these "job creators" into creating jobs. Not to mention the top 5% is sitting on 40 trillion dollars in wealth-so i think they don't have a problem in the capital department but perhaps the problem is demand. Demand that has been dwindling because the middle class has been squishy squashed..

The demand has gone to China, because Americans don't want to pay for our own products, produced by our own people.
 
The demand has gone to China, because Americans don't want to pay for our own products, produced by our own people.

Low key manufacturing that is heavily tech assisted..or in other words unskilled labor aren't the high paying key jobs either; i suppose they are better than nothing
 
Low key manufacturing that is heavily tech assisted..or in other words unskilled labor aren't the high paying key jobs either; i suppose they are better than nothing

Not by much. What we have lost is a willingness to support our own workers, and until we are willing to turn that around, and stop acting like a bunch of cheap tight-wads, this isn't going to change. People in this country, rich and poor, want something for nothing, but they want to get paid big bucks for doing nothing. It's an attitude problem, and it's soaked into the very fabric of society.
 
This was going on long before the recession. The recession just accelerated it.

Not really surprising. Create an environment in which the job creators believe they are going to be screwed, and they will clamp down. Create an environment in which they are encouraged to produce profits and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and they will be more likely to share the enthusiasm and spread the wealth around voluntarily.

There is no such thing as a "job creator". That bit of rhetoric is ludicrous. Jobs are costs to companies. Companies seek to reduce costs. They have no motivation to increase jobs, only to increase profits. They only create new jobs when they HAVE TO DO SO. And that usually means when they have exhausted all other lower costs alternatives and increased their efficiency as much as possible.

Cutting down on regulations just means that companies will be able to get more from the workers they already have, and giving companies more tax cuts/credits just means they can invest in more ways to automate their process and reduce their workforce even more. Neither of those options really do anything to create new jobs, let alone better jobs.
 
So companies cannot afford 15 middle managers who are useless to supervise one person working? I could have told you that. America was sold a dream of being a country full of managers, and simply that is a pipe dream. I have worked at a few big companies and they paid people big money for the purpose of going to meetings. That was their job, just making meetings and going to them. A huge proportion of your middle and upper middle jobs were completely useless college graduates. Yes, those jobs are gone and hopefully they won't come back.

America is used to an overinflated wage, and that cannot be accomplished without someone to take money from. There just is not the same amount of money going around. Neither candidate seems to recognize those days are dead, and there is a world full of lesser paid people willing to do for more for less than the bloated american worker. This is not a problem you can correct with legislation unless you want to start some real imperialism. Republicans are the worst of the bunch thinking they all deserve to be the rich elite of the world when the world simply does not need millions of them. With other markets opening up all over the world america either needs to start competing with their hungry workers, or they need to take their countries over and control those markets. This idea that the world needs american innovation, and that american workers are the best is just bull**** patriotism. The world doesn't need a bunch of fat, lazy, good for nothing entitled old white ****s. It has enough of them already, and none of them are going to let their positions go without a fight.

But keep on buying Clint Eastwood speeches. It is not like he is going to be around much longer and have to reap the consequences of his lies. I would mention this to blacks, but they already seem to know the world doesn't need them. It has been telling them that since they were born. Hispanics seem to understand working and making due with less. Oh, and we have some company with us, it would seem europe has the same problem we do.
 
People in this country, rich and poor, want something for nothing, but they want to get paid big bucks for doing nothing. It's an attitude problem, and it's soaked into the very fabric of society.
What????

How dare you madam! Even poor unedj'cated people deserve six figure jobs! They gots a RIGHT to one!!! That art film degree ain't gonna pay for itself!
 
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This was going on long before the recession. The recession just accelerated it.



There is no such thing as a "job creator". That bit of rhetoric is ludicrous. Jobs are costs to companies.

Sure there is. It's a person who is willing to put his money, energy, creativity, and time into an endeavor at which he wants to make a living. If his idea or product sells adequately, he has to either hire someone else, or let his productivity peak and stay where it is. No good businessman, with a normal desire and creative urge, is happy to let customers walk out the door without his product. He wants to grow his business to the point that others are necessary in helping his creation thrive. This is where jobs come from. Good product, good demand, happy customers, and creative growth.
 
So companies cannot afford 15 middle managers who are useless to supervise one person working?
Examples, please? Which companies have 15-1 manager/employee ratio?

I have worked at a few big companies and they paid people big money for the purpose of going to meetings. That was their job, just making meetings and going to them.
Wanna know how I know you've never managed anything?

A huge proportion of your middle and upper middle jobs were completely useless college graduates.
Actually (since I know you've never managed anything), you'd be surprised how few managers are college graduates. EXPERIENCE means more than a degree, a lot of times. Especially if you've worked your way up in the company, and have direct knowledge of the place, and how it runs.

Seriously...if you're that ignorant about how business runs, stop with the inflated (and incorrect) assumptions.
 
Not really surprising. Create an environment in which the job creators believe they are going to be screwed, and they will clamp down. Create an environment in which they are encouraged to produce profits and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and they will be more likely to share the enthusiasm and spread the wealth around voluntarily.

I can't believe anyone still takes this "rich people are job creators" line seriously. Middle class people who run businesses create jobs. Big companies that already exist create jobs. Target doesn't need to be coddled in order to employ people. It needs people to shop at its stores, to be able to expand its reach so that it needs to employ more people to move more goods. Rich people don't go around willy nilly started companies. There's no truth in that. Middle class people with ambition start companies. Job creation is me starting a law firm with a few of my classmates and hiring some paralegals. Job creation is a family opening up a restaurant. Job creation is an ambitious startup company. NONE of that has anything to do with tax rates. It's about people trying to succeed. Not some kind of benevolent intervention from rich people. Our economy is NOT based on pitching ideas to the upper class so they can deign to go into business with us and then take the profits. We do not have some kind of split worker class and investment class dichotomy. But we will if we keep crippling the middle class and giving ridiculously favorable laws to the rich. We will destroy all of the entrepreneurial spirit of this country and replace it with something more resembling the 17th century aristocracies that the United States was created to oppose.
 
I can't believe anyone still takes this "rich people are job creators" line seriously. Middle class people who run businesses create jobs. Big companies that already exist create jobs. Target doesn't need to be coddled in order to employ people. It needs people to shop at its stores, to be able to expand its reach so that it needs to employ more people to move more goods. Rich people don't go around willy nilly started companies. There's no truth in that. Middle class people with ambition start companies. Job creation is me starting a law firm with a few of my classmates and hiring some paralegals. Job creation is a family opening up a restaurant. Job creation is an ambitious startup company. NONE of that has anything to do with tax rates. It's about people trying to succeed. Not some kind of benevolent intervention from rich people. Our economy is NOT based on pitching ideas to the upper class so they can deign to go into business with us and then take the profits. We do not have some kind of split worker class and investment class dichotomy. But we will if we keep crippling the middle class and giving ridiculously favorable laws to the rich. We will destroy all of the entrepreneurial spirit of this country and replace it with something more resembling the 17th century aristocracies that the United States was created to oppose.

Show me where I made any reference to "rich" people. I said job creators. Job creators come in all shapes and sizes, from the immigrant Mexican who can lay a ceramic tile floor, to a Steve Jobs. Gimme a break that those job creators don't exist. They are the reason we even HAVE a middle class. If you want to even be middle class, you have to have a job that pays you enough to live reasonably comfortably. Those jobs don't come from government. They come from wealth creators.
 
I am not sure blaming the rich is productive anymore. They have the money they have and no one is allowed to tell them where they have to spend it. This country needs new ideas, real innovative ideas. We used to be the best place for innovation to drive industry but too many other countries have caught up. We should support ideas born here but when was the last time anyone in this country developed a new idea that became an industry of it's own that had the ability to help drive the economy?
 
Well it seems that that is what the elites want. They want a push to neo fuedalism, a world where only the super rich and the super poor exist.

And if people think that their party is gonna save them, I am sorry but you are wrong. Just look at who is funding both parties and ask why they are so often on the boards of corporations and are paid tons of money by corporations to do 'consulting.' The game is rigged and we are the ones who are on the losing side. But I think we can change that.
 
And if people think that their party is gonna save them, I am sorry but you are wrong. Just look at who is funding both parties and ask why they are so often on the boards of corporations and are paid tons of money by corporations to do 'consulting.' The game is rigged and we are the ones who are on the losing side. But I think we can change that.

The bolded is one of the primary problems we have. Way too many people actually look to government to save them, and when you are looking to anyone to save you, you're already screwed.
 
Well it seems that that is what the elites want. They want a push to neo fuedalism, a world where only the super rich and the super poor exist.

That doesn't even make sense, Mr. Invisible. Where would Bill Gates be if no one could afford his computers? Where would GM/Ford/YouNameIt be if "the masses" couldn't afford their cars? The Rockefellers if no one could have afforded gasoline? The Sam Walton's if no one could afford their merchandise?

Businesses cannot survive without a healthy middle class. Which is exactly why we're in the mess we're in.
 
That's the sort of thing -- "McJobs" -- they always say to sully and talk down the economy during Republican administrations.

Now we're truly in a jobless recovery, and that kind of chatter isn't coming from the usual places for some reason.

I don't think that is true. I've particiapted in a few threads on this. We have a serious problem, and it doesn't matter at all who is president and which party is in control. A republican freind of mine calls it the Mexcaizing of America. Anyone who thinks this is a problem eithe rparty is ready to handle isn't paying attention IMHO.
 
I don't think that is true. I've particiapted in a few threads on this. We have a serious problem, and it doesn't matter at all who is president and which party is in control. A republican freind of mine calls it the Mexcaizing of America. Anyone who thinks this is a problem eithe rparty is ready to handle isn't paying attention IMHO.

What part of my post does this speak to?
 
What part of my post does this speak to?

The entire post:

Harshaw said:
That's the sort of thing -- "McJobs" -- they always say to sully and talk down the economy during Republican administrations.

Now we're truly in a jobless recovery, and that kind of chatter isn't coming from the usual places for some reason.

We do and have talked about it. So I repeat:

Boo said:
I don't think that is true (that we haven't been talking about it). I've particiapted in a few threads on this. We have a serious problem, and it doesn't matter at all who is president and which party is in control. A republican freind of mine calls it the Mexcaizing of America. Anyone who thinks this is a problem either party is ready to handle isn't paying attention IMHO.
 
I was referring to the professional chatterers, pols, and pundits.
 
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