Mainstream media biased?

[Big Eye]

Isolationism, ignoring science, doing nothing for working people except creating divisions between black, brown and white, refusal to even consider things like raising the minimum wage, hating government health insurance, present in every developed country, suggestions that dissent means disloyalty, America first BS, etc.

I think it’s great that America has been anti globalisation under Trump. Globalisation is the enemy of the west’s working class...we can’t compete on wages with Chinese and Indians.

Ignoring the current rampant scientism is good too...you should never place too much faith in unproven science from the wearing of masks to actions to attempt to counter climate change.

I generally agree with the minimum wage we have in the U.K....but it can be used by big business to squeeze out smaller business , so you have to keep a weary eye on how it can be exploited. Didn’t Walmart push to raise the minimum wage?

Government run health care isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be , but again, I think that over all it’s a good thing provided there is competition. In the U.K. the left has created a quasi religion out of “our nhs”...it’s almost like we serve it rather that it serve us...

 

[OpportunityCost]

Yet they do buy it every night

Really? That's why their ratings are in the toilet? Because people are "buying it"---they aren't and the ratings and falling revenue are the proof.

 

[vegas giants]

Really? That's why their ratings are in the toilet? Because people are "buying it"---they aren't and the ratings and falling revenue are the proof.

Toilet? More people choose to get their news from the MSM than fox....by a mile.

They choose that freely.


The people have spoken

 

[post]

Dismissed as laughably ridiculous

Toilet? More people choose to get their news from the MSM than fox....by a mile.

They choose that freely.


The people have spoken

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Not even vaguely possible, since any reasonable person considers Trump a success. It only requires the ability to think objectively and set aside any preconceptions, plus real facts instead of the alt-facts used by these media sources.

The interested parties are the defendant and the government---the judges role is impartial. The defendant was changing his plea. Sullivan refused to grant Brady motions he KNEW were exculpatory. Motions to dismiss can occur during sentencing, there is precedent. Anything else you wanted to throw at the wall?

 

[lurchadams]

Do YOU believe the Mainstream Media is and has been fair, objective and unbiased in their reporting on current political and social issues?

I think that trump's constant attacks on the media have created a bit of a reaction from the media. The people in the media are human. You can only take being called idiots, liars, and enemy of the people so long before it starts to get really boring.

 

[lurchadams]

I believe it has a small bias, but nothing nearly as strong as Fox and right-wing media. Opinion shows in the evening are more biased, but again are based on more facts than opinion shows on Fox.

MSM is more professional with better checks and fact verification.

I know it has a lot of negative press about Trump which make it SEEM biased, but if they were covering say Hitler, I think they'd also have a lot of negative coverage and yet noone would accuse them of being biased then (well, some on this board would actually). Note: no, I am not saying Trump = Hitler - just making a point that a lot of negative coverage does not imply bias.

When Faux gets something wrong they double-down. I don't think they ever apologized for that Seth Rich nonsense. At least when CNN or MSNBC gets something wrong they issue a correction.

 

[lurchadams]

There are a slew of sources indicating the Zucker forces his staff to cover anti-Trump stories wall to wall. And has kniption fits when they don't.

This is well documented. And pretty much common knowledge at this point.

Pffffffft... Veritas. I thought I smelled something when I opened this thread

 

[TheParser]

The "mainstream" media are totally unreliable because its practitioners are mostly college educated "journalists" who were indoctrinated by their ivory tower professors. (Before World War II, most reporters came from the working class, so they were more realistic about what life is really like.)

 

[post]

The "mainstream" media are totally unreliable because its practitioners are mostly college educated "journalists" who were indoctrinated by their ivory tower professors. (Before World War II, most reporters came from the working class, so they were more realistic about what life is really like.)

I could not disagree more. The real controversy is "the right" is not self aware. Almost always in "the driver's seat", they maintain the sense they are "back seat" passengers. Extremism is manifested in self-victimization... see Donald Trump and his angry band of deplorables.
Read "the Brass Check" by Upton Sinclair.

The Brass Check - Wikipedia

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Advertisers, described by Sinclair as "ownership of the owners". "PM" was not advertiser dependent.
Elementary example; local newspapers did not report negatively about car dealers or department stores. Such businesses paid the operating costs of the newspapers. For profit business routinely avoids biting the hand that feeds it.

When the 99% Had a Paper

The brief, wondrous life of PM

archives.cjr.org

PM "cut its eye teeth" with pioneering reporting on the rising Nazi threat.

Father Coughlin, Ralph Ingersoll, & the War Against Social ...
https://www.counter-currents.com/20...lph-ingersoll-the-war-against-social-justice/
...PM began with a long series of articles in the summer of 1940. "Nazi Propagandist Coughlin Faithless to Church and Country: Hatred and Bigotry Spread Throughout the Nation by Priest ...

Ralph Ingersoll (PM publisher) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ingersoll_(publisher)
Ralph McAllister Ingersoll (December 8, 1900 in New Haven, Connecticut - March 8, 1985 in Miami Beach, Florida) was an American writer, editor, and publisher. ... In 1930 Ingersoll went to Time Inc. as managing editor of Time-Life publications, and devised the formula of business magazine Fortune,[5] eventually becoming general manager of the company.[2]

PM (newspaper) - Wikipedia

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"PM was a liberal-leaning daily newspaper published in New York City by Ralph Ingersoll from June 1940 to June 1948 and financed by Chicago millionaire Marshall Field III.
...
According to a June 21, 1966, memo from Ingersoll:

Before the end of the War it was actually operating in the black.... In my opinion at the time and these 20 years later−PM's death is most soundly attributable to a sustained and well-organized plot originating amongst Field's friends and associates in the business world who were alienated by Field's loyalty to PM and to me. ...

PM was sold in 1948 and published its final issue on June 22. The next day it was replaced by the New York Star, which folded on January 28, 1949.

Politics

There were accusations that the paper was Communist-dominated, but others have concluded that the paper frequently opposed the policies of the Communist Party (CP) and engaged into editorial battles with the CP's paper, the Daily Worker.[5] ...."

 

[ttwtt78640]

I believe it has a small bias, but nothing nearly as strong as Fox and right-wing media. Opinion shows in the evening are more biased, but again are based on more facts than opinion shows on Fox.

MSM is more professional with better checks and fact verification.

I know it has a lot of negative press about Trump which make it SEEM biased, but if they were covering say Hitler, I think they'd also have a lot of negative coverage and yet noone would accuse them of being biased then (well, some on this board would actually). Note: no, I am not saying Trump = Hitler - just making a point that a lot of negative coverage does not imply bias.

Since the vast majority of media bias is accomplished simply by omission, the lack of positive coverage does imply bias. I agree that Fox News coverage is also biased, but their bias does not negate or balance the bias of the majority of MSM outlets.

 

[Slavister]

Since the vast majority of media bias is accomplished simply by omission, the lack of positive coverage does imply bias. I agree that Fox News coverage is also biased, but their bias does not negate or balance the bias of the majority of MSM outlets.

Trump gets positive coverage when he deserves it from MSM, e.g. when he finally put a mask on for the first time they thought it was a belated but a positive.

It's not MSM problem that Trump is one of the worst non-convicts in the USA. So lack of positive coverage is on Trump, not MSM.

 

[Nickyjo]

I think it’s great that America has been anti globalisation under Trump. Globalisation is the enemy of the west’s working class...we can’t compete on wages with Chinese and Indians.

Ignoring the current rampant scientism is good too...you should never place too much faith in unproven science from the wearing of masks to actions to attempt to counter climate change.

I generally agree with the minimum wage we have in the U.K....but it can be used by big business to squeeze out smaller business , so you have to keep a weary eye on how it can be exploited. Didn’t Walmart push to raise the minimum wage?

Government run health care isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be , but again, I think that over all it’s a good thing provided there is competition. In the U.K. the left has created a quasi religion out of “our nhs”...it’s almost like we serve it rather that it serve us...

One can have globalization and deal with the problems of cheap labor elsewhere. It’s just that conservatives don’t care about it. And about masks, we lead the world in Covid partly thanks to ignoring the science, and stand alone in the world with Trump’s position on climate change. If you don’t believe the science, whom do you believe? Trump has no credibility on anything; the devil is jealous as Donald has taken away his title of Prince of Lies.

 

[skeptic llc]

Name a reasonable, verifiable standard, then judge how the Trump administration has done by that standard. He has done well. This is not rocket science.

Economy, unemployment, deficit, coronavirus vs. other nations, crime, polls about direction of America, polls about him, pretty much anything you want to look at, his presidency has been a disaster. This is not rocket science.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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So very tired of your incapacity to not only form your own opinions but articulate them.

 

[post]

So very tired of your incapacity to not only form your own opinions but articulate them.

The only possible explanation for your opinion, quoted below, are baseless, pro-Trump, extreme right wing influences.

The interested parties are the defendant and the government---the judges role is impartial. The defendant was changing his plea. Sullivan refused to grant Brady motions he KNEW were exculpatory. Motions to dismiss can occur during sentencing, there is precedent. Anything else you wanted to throw at the wall?

 

[TurtleDude]

Do YOU believe the Mainstream Media is and has been fair, objective and unbiased in their reporting on current political and social issues?

I think since about Reagan's second term, the MSM has been biased and that has been established by polls that show that over 85% of MSM "journalists" covering presidential elections have admitted to voting for-Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and Hilary Clinton. The last two elections, the bias has become far more pronounced and ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/ and MSNBC are actively campaigning for Biden

 

[TurtleDude]

Of course it’s highly biased toward the left of centre liberal world view ...same here in the U.K.. The MSM is part of the political establishment...and the establishment is social democratic in Europe at least...the USA seems to be on the same slide to self destruction too.

"journalism" tends to attract people who have a strong proclivity to vote for welfare-socialist collectivism.

 

[Bassman]

They openly admit they are, there's no point in debating it.

Those of us who've been around when the Leftist Lamestream media had the monopoly before Reagan rightfully killed the "Fairness" Doctrine, know that at least since Cronkite opined on Vietnam since the Tet Offensive, the Lamestream press has been nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Democrat party.

 

[Bassman]

I think since about Reagan's second term, the MSM has been biased and that has been established by polls that show that over 85% of MSM "journalists" covering presidential elections have admitted to voting for-Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and Hilary Clinton. The last two elections, the bias has become far more pronounced and ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/ and MSNBC are actively campaigning for Biden

I would go back further than that.

 

[TurtleDude]

I would go back further than that.

I didn't pay too much attention in HS or college-didn't have time to listen to much TV

 

[Rawley]

When Faux gets something wrong they double-down. I don't think they ever apologized for that Seth Rich nonsense. At least when CNN or MSNBC gets something wrong they issue a correction.

Really? We must have missed their correction and apology for 24/7/365 for three years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA misinformation

 

[lurchadams]

Really? We must have missed their correction and apology for 24/7/365 for three years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA misinformation

Yep hundreds of contacts between the trump campaign and Russian agents prior to the election. trump lied about all of them. Nothing to see here!

 

[post]

Really? We must have missed their correction and apology for 24/7/365 for three years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA misinformation

Please explain....kindly provided examples of "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA misinformation". Are you claiming Fox News has been an authoritive source, in that area, vs NY Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN ?

An Ex-Fox News Commentator Is Backing Away from the Seth Rich Conspiracy Theories

Ed Butowsky, one of the biggest proponents of the unproven theories about Seth Rich, is dismissing his lawsuits related to the Rich case

www.rollingstone.com

October 20, 2020
"WASHINGTON — For years, Ed Butowsky has been one of the biggest proponents of the unproven theory that murdered Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich leaked a trove of internal emails to WikiLeaks in 2016. Now, Butowsky is backing away from the Rich case by moving to dismiss multiple lawsuits related to Rich that he had filed against reporters and major news organizations.

As Rolling Stone reported earlier this summer, Butowsky, a Texas-based financial adviser and former TV pundit who made some 200 appearances on Fox News and Fox Business between 2009 and 2017 according to court records, contacted Rich’s family after the 2016 election and said he wanted to help them solve Seth’s murder. But the Rich family alleges in court that Butowsky “intentionally exploited” their tragedy in order to promote a baseless theory that would benefit President Trump by casting doubt on the Russian cyberattack on the Democratic Party four years ago. Butowsky organized a meeting at the White House with then-Press Secretary Sean Spicer to discuss the Rich case, and took credit for an infamous May 2017 Fox News story that alleged a connection between Rich and WikiLeaks — a story that Fox retracted only a week later...."

Judge Orders Twitter To Unmask FBI Impersonator Who Set Off Seth Rich Conspiracy

A federal judge has ordered Twitter to reveal the identity of an anonymous user who allegedly forged an FBI document to spread a conspiracy theory about the killing of DNC staffer Seth Rich in 2016.

www.npr.org

October 7, 2020 - Updated 8:50 p.m. ET Wednesday
"A federal judge in California has ordered that Twitter reveal the identity of an anonymous user who allegedly fabricated an FBI document to spread a conspiracy theory about the killing of Seth Rich, the Democratic National Committee staffer who died in 2016.

The ruling could lead to the identification of the person behind the Twitter name @whyspertech. Through that account, the user allegedly provided forged FBI materials to Fox News. The documents falsely linked Rich's killing to the WikiLeaks hack of Democratic Party emails in the lead-up to the 2016 election...."

Appeals court revives Seth Rich family's lawsuit against ...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/13/media/seth-rich-fox-news-lawsuit/index.html
Sep 13, 2019A federal appeals court on Friday revived a lawsuit filed against Fox News by the parents of Seth Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer whose unsolved murder became the basis for ...

 

[Rawley]

Yep hundreds of contacts between the trump campaign and Russian agents prior to the election. trump lied about all of them. Nothing to see here!

Yep. Precisely the type of misinformation they never apologized for.

 

[Rawley]

Please explain....kindly provided examples of "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA misinformation". Are you claiming Fox News has been an authoritive source, in that area, vs NY Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN ?

Did I make any claims about FoxNews?

Here's a nice compilation of the garbage CNN, MSNBC .... fed you on a nightly basis for three years.