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GarzaUK said:Around about 13 years old or so, my Dad - a conservative buys a conservative tabloid, I read it throughly and believed every word of it. lol most of my life I was a conservative and as Winston Churchill said "A man under 30 and who is a conservative, has no heart" and he was right about me.
I hated immigrants, I hated the French, the Germans, the Irish, homosexuals, I believed war was glorious and honourable I believed all the news from this right-winged newspaper called "The Sun."
But when I went to University I lived with and met all the individuals that I once hated, they were just like me. I was completly wrong about my political beliefs, I started a "live and let live" outlook in life that liberals have, Bush's and Blair's propaganda for war with Iraq basically sealed my idenity as a liberal.
I was once a bigot, thanks to liberalism - I have a less discriminating look on life.
Let me give you some advice if i may satin (even though I'm only 8 years older than you.) lol
Always listen to the other side of the argument (something I never did til I was eighteen)
Never judge
Always be open to change your political beliefs
pwo said:I can't say that it was a event. More like something that was buried inside me that kind of finally came out. I saw Bush during his first term. He was someone that wanted to do good. Then I heard people trying to talk bad about him. Then when the Iraq war started, I knew that Bush was doing the right thing, even though I was scared about the thought of war. Then I went to school one day and there was other students protest the war. I really didn't understand but it made me mad. So, I guess it is sometimes fueled by an astonishment of how people could not like bush. You liberals at this site have some good reasons, but there are others that hate republicans for no reason. And I want people to understand the republican message. As the 2004 election drew closer, I became more and more politically concious. Now I am a political science major and there isn't much that I love more.
ShamMol said:I understand the republican posistion and hate it. As soon as bush was elected, i let out an oh crap...and started actually studying politics so that i could reasonably debate the political subjects and not just rely on emotion. I am going to be a poli sci major starting next year at Colby or Kenyon or Hamilton...damn...the deadline is near...crap...
My love of politics started about three or four months before 9-11 and after i got even more energized about it, especially on civil liberties issues. So, it has been about four years now, loving it.
i don't hate repubs, in fact my two best friends are conservatives. i just see everything (with one or two exceptions) from the liberal point of view.satinloveslibs said:So sorry that you hate the Republican position. Do you hate me? Do I hate the dems veiws? no, I just disagree with it. now I do hate the liberal view point! How did you go that way man?
YEah, law is kinda what originally got me too, that and 9-11 just hooked it. i have a liberal teacher who thinks i am a conservative because i argue that side just to **** her off. and i am kinda the exact opposite, i go to a predominantly minority school (51-49 i think) where the majority of people are conservative, lol. I have noticed that you have some moderate views, which is refreshing. honestly, my opinions since coming to this forum have been changing a little bit towards more moderate and i ahve been seeing the value in some conservative arguments, something i could never bring myself to do before.RightatNYU said:I've always been interested in law, since I was very young, and politics naturally followed. What helped to shape my views initially was two things:
1) An extremely liberal, asshole of a teacher who I took pleasure in arguing with, and
2) The fact that in my college-town high school, the rich professor's kids were all stuck-up liberals while the country honkys were all conservative. It pained me to see these well meaning but undereducated kids lose arguments, so, Devil's Advocate that I am, I started to defend them.
Despite all this, I'm a pretty moderate Republican. My fathers more conservative, becuse of his business, and my mother's more liberal, because of her non-profit, but they're both pretty casual about it.
ShamMol said:YEah, law is kinda what originally got me too, that and 9-11 just hooked it. i have a liberal teacher who thinks i am a conservative because i argue that side just to **** her off. and i am kinda the exact opposite, i go to a predominantly minority school (51-49 i think) where the majority of people are conservative, lol. I have noticed that you have some moderate views, which is refreshing. honestly, my opinions since coming to this forum have been changing a little bit towards more moderate and i ahve been seeing the value in some conservative arguments, something i could never bring myself to do before.
This is interesting, because I see myself as doing the exact opposite in some of the more liberal arguments.ShamMol said:honestly, my opinions since coming to this forum have been changing a little bit towards more moderate and i ahve been seeing the value in some conservative arguments, something i could never bring myself to do before.
you have seriously said some stuff that made me reevaluate, add, change, etc. my arguments.RightatNYU said:When I hear someone say what you just closed with, whether its from the liberal side, or the conservative, it gives me a renewed sense of faith in the world.
When I came to this forum, I was convinced that my radicalism was only a phase, and I considered myself a liberal. Then, when I got to talking with conservatives, and some supposedly liberals, I found myself pushed farther left, through my opposition to them, and now I consider myself socialist. I see little value in the conservative's thinking, really, sad as that may sound. Only occasionally do I find a con's arguments making any sense. But yeah, Vauge, I find myself pushed farther left as I debate more and more.vauge said:This is interesting, because I see myself as doing the exact opposite in some of the more liberal arguments.
RightatNYU said:When I hear someone say what you just closed with, whether its from the liberal side, or the conservative, it gives me a renewed sense of faith in the world.
anomaly said:When I came to this forum, I was convinced that my radicalism was only a phase, and I considered myself a liberal. Then, when I got to talking with conservatives, and some supposedly liberals, I found myself pushed farther left, through my opposition to them, and now I consider myself socialist. I see little value in the conservative's thinking, really, sad as that may sound. Only occasionally do I find a con's arguments making any sense. But yeah, Vauge, I find myself pushed farther left as I debate more and more.
I was never a Republican, I was shaped by my leftist family early in life. But then, not two years ago, something happened. I know longer completely agreed with the liberal position, but I certainly wasn't moving right. I was a socialist. Then, I thought it was all just a bad phase, a childish idea that I had driven from my mind. So I came to this forum about 4 months ago as a strong liberal. As I engaged in debate, I finally found myself. My liberalism was just a way of feeling somehow 'advanced', it wasn't me.V.I. Lenin said:So I am not alone! I must tell you, being a socialist in a small town in upstate New York is not very easy. I believe I became intrested in politics at about 14? I started out republican, and look at me now! Hah, but really I grew up in a house of hate. Told always to hate the french, the commies, the left, the gays, everything. And I found in a house of hate you can either succumb and agree or think for yourself and become radically different. I think we all know which I did. I also see myself sympathising with almost all sides of an issue. I think I have too much empathy sometimes, see all sides all too well and cannot come to a clear decision. In other words...I'd make a horrible president.
anomaly said:I was never a Republican, I was shaped by my leftist family early in life. But then, not two years ago, something happened. I know longer completely agreed with the liberal position, but I certainly wasn't moving right. I was a socialist. Then, I thought it was all just a bad phase, a childish idea that I had driven from my mind. So I came to this forum about 4 months ago as a strong liberal. As I engaged in debate, I finally found myself. My liberalism was just a way of feeling somehow 'advanced', it wasn't me.
But to you, VI, I'm glad you've come to the right side of the aisle. Isn't it odd how the left, not the right, is actually right?
V.I. Lenin said:So I am not alone! I must tell you, being a socialist in a small town in upstate New York is not very easy. I believe I became intrested in politics at about 14? I started out republican, and look at me now! Hah, but really I grew up in a house of hate. Told always to hate the french, the commies, the left, the gays, everything. And I found in a house of hate you can either succumb and agree or think for yourself and become radically different. I think we all know which I did. I also see myself sympathising with almost all sides of an issue. I think I have too much empathy sometimes, see all sides all too well and cannot come to a clear decision. In other words...I'd make a horrible president.
V.I. Lenin said:Cairo. It's a small down near Catskill, about 30min drive from Hudson.
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