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[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Women like you exist?

Well, honestly... going just by what you've posted, it sounds like you never think that any problems in a relationship could EVER be attributed to YOUR behavior and must therefore be figments of her imagination, illogical, or just plain her fault and not yours. But that's just going by what you've posted. Obviously I don't know what these particular women actually said to you.

But let's see....

Now maybe it DOESN'T have to do with you, but what if it does? Do you own up? Do you face the fact that you could be the cause of the problem? Or do you always answer with something similar to the above?

Nobody is perfect and of course I own up if I have genuinely done something I consider to be wrong. The problem has often been that I make sure a girl understand my virtues, and the complaints of previous girlfriends upfront on date 1 "you never call when you say you will," etc...

They appear to understand, and even agree, adding "Oh I hate girls like that, I'm not like that, stuff like that doesn't matter to me."

I reiterate that I have heard that before, and history repeats itself. Then when it does begin to bother her, rather than talking about it or trying to debate my virtues, they'll keep it bottled up until they blow, and the explosions are often irrational, and they expect to hear what I will say, and they know I am right, or at least, will not conceed, so emotional appeals ensue.

Is it arrogance? Do you always feel that the problem is theirs and/or their imagination and never yours? I find it hard to believe that you are that perfect. :mrgreen:

I'm not perfect, I just don't sweat the things I consider to be trivial.

You see the problem is the things that I do that become deal-breakers are things that I am consistent about, and do not consider them to be wrong.

Sometimes someone does need someone to just listen to them vent. But, sometimes working out problems DOES require "talking". By BOTH people involved.

See thats the problem, I'm the kind of person who wants to know if there is a problem right away, and am proactive in anticipating them.

I'm sure you've been with the type that has to fix everything right away, thats me.

The bolded part above is what prompted me to feel that perhaps you don't take responsibility for your part of the problems that occur. Relationships aren't a one way street, they're a two way street. That's not to say that some people can't put all blame on their partner and constantly bitch about nothing. Some people DO. I understand that. But, I find it hard to believe that any problems in the relationships you've had have ALWAYS been your partners fault or imagination.

You asked my opinion, there it is. :mrgreen:

I think its a little more complex than blind egotism. You see, the problem is that I do take responsibility for what I do. Most everything I do I intended to do it, with reasons. Even when I know that my behavior is often what other people consider to be selfish or immoral.

Its a simple as me believing that they are wrong with their false senses of morality, and have been utterly unconvinced by their logic.

Everyone ****s up, lord knows I do when I drink, but thats not the kind of stuff that gets me in trouble, or builds contempt.

I agree that patronizing is detrimental. Nothing pisses me off more. LOL I'm all for the "let's wait until we cool off before finishing this discussion". Oddly, that's made a couple of BFs angry. They're mad, I'm mad, I say the above and they get madder and accuse me of "avoiding" the situation. Sigh. Men.

Been there. "You're throwing things, obviously you're not ready for my explanation...*ducks* That obviously didn't help...."

Now, you've subtlely told her you don't like her current outfit as well as another one, while at the same time complimenting her appearance in the other outfit. No hurt feelings, no lying. Tactful and successful.

Such a question is often posed when they're calm, and rational. Its easy to be tactful then, even concise.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Like I said, I'm bad @ relationships.

As you said people are irrational when emotional. By coaxing their irrationality and helping them clam down you are helping them get to a point where the topic can be rationally discussed.

Good luck finding someone that doesn't need this type of support. I consider myself a quite rational person and I notice irrational decisions when I am emotional. My wife it to quite rational. Examples such as above are rare occurrences, but they are occurrences.

Aggravating an irrational person only makes them more irrational.

Well put, I suppose the bold is a lesson I've yet to learn. For I often feel justified in my agitations.

 

[Kelzie]

Re: Women like you exist?

Nobody is perfect and of course I own up if I have genuinely done something I consider to be wrong. The problem has often been that I make sure a girl understand my virtues, and the complaints of previous girlfriends upfront on date 1 "you never call when you say you will," etc...

They appear to understand, and even agree, adding "Oh I hate girls like that, I'm not like that, stuff like that doesn't matter to me."

I reiterate that I have heard that before, and history repeats itself. Then when it does begin to bother her, rather than talking about it or trying to debate my virtues, they'll keep it bottled up until they blow, and the explosions are often irrational, and they expect to hear what I will say, and they know I am right, or at least, will not conceed, so emotional appeals ensue.

God I hate it when people do that. It's so damn rude. If you say you'll call tomorrow, why is it so freakin hard to pick up the phone and call? I know you have a cell phone like everyone else does. It literally would take 5 minutes of your time. Rude, disrespectful and if it happens early on, a deal breaker.

 

[rivrrat]

Re: Women like you exist?

Nobody is perfect and of course I own up if I have genuinely done something I consider to be wrong. The problem has often been that I make sure a girl understand my virtues, and the complaints of previous girlfriends "you never call when you say you will, etc..."

Why say you're going to call if you're not? If someone says they're going to do something, I kinda expect them to do it - so I see the point of your previous GFs. However, I don't expect them to do things they haven't said they're going to do.

They appear to understand, and even agree, adding "Oh I hate girls like that, I'm not like that, stuff like that doesn't matter to me."

I reiterate that I have heard that before, and history repeats itself. Then when it does begin to bother her, rather than talking about it or trying to debate my virtues, they'll keep it bottled up until they blow, and the explosions are often irrational, and they expect to hear what I will say, and they know I am right, or at least, will not conceed, so emotional appeals ensue.

I agree that keeping issues bottled up and then tossing them all at someone at once is BAD. I had a BF who did just that. When he "blew up", I was floored. I had no idea that he had any issues at all, but yet I was being blamed for not fixing these issues I was unaware of. I completely understand.

I'm not perfect, I just don't sweat the things I consider to be trivial.

I completely agree. But what if they're not trivial to HER? Perhaps it's just a matter of being incompatible, but I think that in any relationship we have to tolerate a certain level of things in our partner that are different from ourselves. If you're always rolling your eyes at any problem she has, I can see that would cause some animosity. (Not saying you DO... I'm just sayin'... LOL) Sometimes you just have to accept that while something may not be a big issue to you, it is to your partner. If those things become too numerous, then obviously there's some compatibility issues. But I think a small amount of that is inevitable.

You see the problem is the things that I do that become deal-breakers are things that I am consistent about, and do not consider them to be wrong.

As long as you are honest about those things from the beginning, I don't see why that would be a problem.

I think its a little more complex than blind egotism. You see, the problem is that I do take responsibility for what I do. Most everything I do I intended to do it, with reasons. Even when I know that my behavior is often what other people consider to be selfish or immoral.

Its a simple as me believing that they are wrong with their false senses of morality, and have been utterly unconvinced by their logic.

This includes your partner? When you're talking about "moral" issues, I would think those big things would be brought forth from the get-go. As long as you're honest, I don't see why it would be an issue. But, if you do things that you know your partner is going to have "moral" issues with, then it sounds like it's a compatibility thing. You just need to find someone with "morals" closer to your own, perhaps.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

See, and I don't think thats rude.

God I hate it when people do that. It's so damn rude. If you say you'll call tomorrow, why is it so freakin hard to pick up the phone and call? I know you have a cell phone like everyone else does. It literally would take 5 minutes of your time. Rude, disrespectful and if it happens early on, a deal breaker.

Then I guess we're just not meant to be Kelzie.

I'm a busy accountant, full time student, and forgetful stoner. Its not like I never call, there just may be occurrences perhaps once a week at most, in a relationship where we talk at least twice a day. Its not intentional, and not my idea of rude.

Rude is calling to cancel last minute, thats something I never do.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

The "So you're saying I'm X" straw man.

Why say you're going to call if you're not? If someone says they're going to do something, I kinda expect them to do it - so I see the point of your previous GFs. However, I don't expect them to do things they haven't said they're going to do.

See my previous post to Kelzie.

I agree that keeping issues bottled up and then tossing them all at someone at once is BAD. I had a BF who did just that. When he "blew up", I was floored. I had no idea that he had any issues at all, but yet I was being blamed for not fixing these issues I was unaware of. I completely understand.

Thank you.

I completely agree. But what if they're not trivial to HER? Perhaps it's just a matter of being incompatible, but I think that in any relationship we have to tolerate a certain level of things in our partner that are different from ourselves.

Perhaps I should clarify with an example. And I REALLY hope she doesn't read this (she's net savvy and we still talk):

• We're laying on the bed, stoned, watching family guy. She says "I think I may have gained a couple pounds."
• The girl was skinny mind you, so I just say "okay" mindlessly.
• She goes, "you don't care?"
• I respond "Nope, I don't care."
• "You wouldn't care if I gained a couple pounds? So you're saying I'm too skinny..."
• My buzz now killed, I realize that I have stumbled into a fight. I respond, "No... thats ridiculous, I didn't say that at all... I said..."
• "So you're saying I'm fat now?" Walks out into the dorm's hallway to shout to a friend of mine, "Micah! Randy said I'm too fat!"
• "RANDY!"
• "I didn't say that!" She storms off, and I feel like a tornado alley victim. "It all happened so fast..."

This was a girl with insecurities about her self image, to the extent that I was forbidden to see her without makeup. She once heard me agree with a friend who said "I prefer girls who don't have to wear all that make-up, a natural beauty" and she walked out of the room before I realize what I had done "wrong."

If you're always rolling your eyes at any problem she has, I can see that would cause some animosity. (Not saying you DO... I'm just sayin'... LOL) Sometimes you just have to accept that while something may not be a big issue to you, it is to your partner. If those things become too numerous, then obviously there's some compatibility issues. But I think a small amount of that is inevitable.

Well see, if someone tells me that this little thing bothers them, then I wont do it. Or will try not too. But you're right that I may have rolled my eyes too many times.

As long as you are honest about those things from the beginning, I don't see why that would be a problem.

Its when they aren't honest to me about what they think of my virtues (they are who I am) or what is bothering them.

This includes your partner? When you're talking about "moral" issues, I would think those big things would be brought forth from the get-go. As long as you're honest, I don't see why it would be an issue. But, if you do things that you know your partner is going to have "moral" issues with, then it sounds like it's a compatibility thing. You just need to find someone with "morals" closer to your own, perhaps.

You've hit the nail on the head with that one. Problem is, they're so few and far between I only meet such women when I travel.

I am a minority in every sense on my campus. I have no choice but to date inter-racially (which pisses off white parents), across the political spectrum, and even some evangelical Christians (which I have some great stories about BTW.)

 

[Kelzie]

Re: See, and I don't think thats rude.

Then I guess we're just not meant to be Kelzie.

Aw. Looks like I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight.

I'm a busy accountant, full time student, and forgetful stoner. Its not like I never call, there just may be occurrences perhaps once a week at most, in a relationship where we talk at least twice a day. Its not intentional, and not my idea of rude.

Then say "I'm kinda busy, I'll give you a call in the next couple of days." Then she's not expecting your call all day.

Not doing something you say you'll do isn't rude? Seriously? :lol:

Rude is calling to cancel last minute, thats something I never do.

Well, that's rude too.

 

[Kelzie]

Re: Women like you exist?

Perhaps I should clarify with an example. And I REALLY hope she doesn't read this (she's net savvy and we still talk):

• We're laying on the bed, stoned, watching family guy. She says "I think I may have gained a couple pounds."
• The girl was skinny mind you, so I just say "okay" mindlessly.
• She goes, "you don't care?"
• I respond "Nope, I don't care."
• "You wouldn't care if I gained a couple pounds? So you're saying I'm too skinny..."
• My buzz now killed, I realize that I have stumbled into a fight. I respond, "No... thats ridiculous, I didn't say that at all... I said..."
• "So you're saying I'm fat now?" Walks out into the dorm's hallway to shout to a friend of mine, "Micah! Randy said I'm too fat!"
• "RANDY!"
• "I didn't say that!" She storms off, and I feel like a tornado alley victim. "It all happened so fast..."

Ohhhhhh....You're dating college girls. There's no hope then. The only thing you can do is stock up on canned goods, bolt the doors and pray for daylight. Seriously. The good thing is that most of them grow out of it. Unlike college boys...

There are exceptions. Obviously you seem like a sane, mature person. There are some college females out there like that. They're just hard to find.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Perhaps I should clarify.

Then say "I'm kinda busy, I'll give you a call in the next couple of days." Then she's not expecting your call all day.

Not doing something you say you'll do isn't rude? Seriously? :lol:

Its not like I say that "I'll call you tomorrow morning." I am already intentionally vague about when, with a few "soons" "laters" and "this weekend."

And it isn't like I do not eventually call. Its just that when you're in the kind of relationship when you're talking on the phone twice a day at least, and then manage to go an entire day without calling for whatever reason, all of a sudden something has to have "gone wrong."

Ohhhhhh....You're dating college girls. There's no hope then. The only thing you can do is stock up on canned goods, bolt the doors and pray for daylight. Seriously. The good thing is that most of them grow out of it. Unlike college boys...

There are exceptions. Obviously you seem like a sane, mature person. There are some college females out there like that. They're just hard to find.

Am still in college, what did you expect?

I would hope that a lady wont have these insecurities. My problem is finding a girl who's got her mind functioning properly, who isn't a workaholic or shut in.

 

[RightinNYC]

Re: Women like you exist?

Ohhhhhh....You're dating college girls. There's no hope then. The only thing you can do is stock up on canned goods, bolt the doors and pray for daylight. Seriously. The good thing is that most of them grow out of it.

This is completely true.:lol:

 

[talloulou]

Re: The "So you're saying I'm X" straw man.

• We're laying on the bed, stoned, watching family guy. She says "I think I may have gained a couple pounds."
• The girl was skinny mind you, so I just say "okay" mindlessly.
• She goes, "you don't care?"
• I respond "Nope, I don't care."
• "You wouldn't care if I gained a couple pounds? So you're saying I'm too skinny..."
• My buzz now killed, I realize that I have stumbled into a fight. I respond, "No... thats ridiculous, I didn't say that at all... I said..."
• "So you're saying I'm fat now?" Walks out into the dorm's hallway to shout to a friend of mine, "Micah! Randy said I'm too fat!"
• "RANDY!"
• "I didn't say that!" She storms off, and I feel like a tornado alley victim. "It all happened so fast..."

I'm not gonna lie and play it off like some girls are just stupid but I'm too cool to do that.....

I've done this to my husband plenty. It's called the setup and it comes out of nowhere. It's almost like I'm moody and itching for a fight. It starts off all casual like but really I'm biatchy about something or other and I'm looking for a way to make it his fault.

It mostly happens at a certain time of the month...... I find chocolate and red wine helps.

As far as everything else goes you should never tell your woman she's fat. EVER. Not even in a sneaky off handed way like...."Honey want to go to the gym?"

She'll tear your damn head off and I'd side up and down with her. Some things just shouldn't be said.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Why do girls pick fights, why **** up my evening?

I'm not gonna lie and play it off like some girls are just stupid but I'm too cool to do that.....

I've done this to my husband plenty. It's called the setup and it comes out of nowhere. It's almost like I'm moody and itching for a fight. It starts off all casual like but really I'm biatchy about something or other and I'm looking for a way to make it his fault.

It mostly happens at a certain time of the month...... I find chocolate and red wine helps.

As far as everything else goes you should never tell your woman she's fat. EVER. Not even in a sneaky off handed way like...."Honey want to go to the gym?"

She'll tear your damn head off and I'd side up and down with her. Some things just shouldn't be said.

What did you think of rivrrat's position? Because you sound to me like part of the problem, and exactly the type of girl I know all too well.

How is it you feel justified in the fight picking? Why does being my girl give one the right to **** up my evening?

 

[Kelzie]

Re: Perhaps I should clarify.

Its not like I say that "I'll call you tomorrow morning." I am already intentionally vague about when, with a few "soons" "laters" and "this weekend."

And it isn't like I do not eventually call. Its just that when you're in the kind of relationship when you're talking on the phone twice a day at least, and then manage to go an entire day without calling for whatever reason, all of a sudden something has to have "gone wrong."

Oh. I got nothing for you then. From my understand, "I'll call you soon/later" means sometime in the next three-ish days, especially at the beginning of a relationship. Unless they're college girls.

Am still in college, what did you expect?

I would hope that a lady wont have these insecurities. My problem is finding a girl who's got her mind functioning properly, who isn't a workaholic or shut in.

Man, I didn't know your life history. But we're all looking for that special someone. It's just that limiting yourself to college girls will mean that 95% of them have clothes, their weight, and the next kegger on their mind. All the time.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Perhaps I should clarify.

Oh. I got nothing for you then. From my understand, "I'll call you soon/later" means sometime in the next three-ish days, especially at the beginning of a relationship. Unless they're college girls.

Man, I didn't know your life history. But we're all looking for that special someone. It's just that limiting yourself to college girls will mean that 95% of them have clothes, their weight, and the next kegger on their mind. All the time.

Well I'm a senior, and most of my friends are out of college now. I'm not limited to "college girls." Most girls I know now are more mindful of their careers than anything else.

Perhaps its a location problem. ****ing Baltimore.

 

[talloulou]

Re: Why do girls pick fights, why **** up my evening?

What did you think of rivrrat's position? Because you sound to me like part of the problem, and exactly the type of girl I know all too well.

How is it you feel justified in the fight picking? Why does being my girl give one the right to **** up my evening?

Well after you've been married a long time you realize that both partners have their quirks. It just is what it is. It's either worth it to stay around and you're in love or it's not and you're not.

I'm not gonna tell you about my man's quirks 'cause I don't think it's fair to him to talk about him.

Some couples click, some don't. Am I sometimes irrational? Sure. Do I sometimes take things out on my man 'cause he's around.... yep.

I suspect he forgives me just as I forgive him his quirks.

If you spend your life looking for that perfect always reasonable always rational woman to match your perfection........well you're never gonna find her.

I'd love to say that I want my man to always be 100% honest and direct. But that's bull$hit 'cause I don't.

Let's say your woman is home all day with an infant. You come home and the house is a god damn mess and she looks freaking tired. You can't help wonder what she did all day 'cause the infant can't even move and why does the house look like hell?

She looks at you and says the house is a total freaking mess.....

Now here you have a couple of options. You could agree and say, "Yeah it is. What the hell did you do all day?" Let the fights begin....

Or you could say, "Nah it's not so bad. How 'bout we go out to dinner?"

Guess which man is getting laid that night?

 

[rivrrat]

Re: The "So you're saying I'm X" straw man.

Perhaps I should clarify with an example. And I REALLY hope she doesn't read this (she's net savvy and we still talk):

• We're laying on the bed, stoned, watching family guy. She says "I think I may have gained a couple pounds."
• The girl was skinny mind you, so I just say "okay" mindlessly.
• She goes, "you don't care?"
• I respond "Nope, I don't care."
• "You wouldn't care if I gained a couple pounds? So you're saying I'm too skinny..."
• My buzz now killed, I realize that I have stumbled into a fight. I respond, "No... thats ridiculous, I didn't say that at all... I said..."
• "So you're saying I'm fat now?" Walks out into the dorm's hallway to shout to a friend of mine, "Micah! Randy said I'm too fat!"
• "RANDY!"
• "I didn't say that!" She storms off, and I feel like a tornado alley victim. "It all happened so fast..."

This was a girl with insecurities about her self image, to the extent that I was forbidden to see her without makeup. She once heard me agree with a friend who said "I prefer girls who don't have to wear all that make-up, a natural beauty" and she walked out of the room before I realize what I had done "wrong."

Oh dear god. :doh There's really nothing to be done about a person like that. Find someone else.

Eventually - hopefully - such a woman will actually gain some self-esteem, but jesus.. I don't know if you wanna wait that long. ROFL

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Will these posts come back to bite me in the ***?

Oh dear god. :doh There's really nothing to be done about a person like that. Find someone else.

Long since over. That was an example from freshman year, we still talk because I'm on good terms with all but one of my ex's. (First love is a bitch, but the first cut is the deepest.)

Eventually - hopefully - such a woman will actually gain some self-esteem, but jesus.. I don't know if you wanna wait that long. ROFL

The relationship ended up dragging out for a while, but our "quirks" outpaced out interests. She's an awesome person though, and I still REALLY hope she doesn't read this.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Well after you've been married a long time you realize that both partners have their quirks. It just is what it is. It's either worth it to stay around and you're in love or it's not and you're not.

How very utilitarian....

I guess I'm not too hung up on spending the rest of my life with someone. The fact that people are living so long is a contributing factor to our increasing divorce rates.

Some scientists are seriously suggesting our youngest generations may see breakthroughs in their lifetimes to double our lifespans. I would imagine in such existences living out several of our lifetimes with different people will be more than normal.

Some couples click, some don't. Am I sometimes irrational? Sure. Do I sometimes take things out on my man 'cause he's around.... yep.

I suspect he forgives me just as I forgive him his quirks.

Oh I get that, its just that sometimes ones quirks eventually overcome ones interest.

If you spend your life looking for that perfect always reasonable always rational woman to match your perfection........well you're never gonna find her.

I never said that I wanted a perfectly rational person, nor do I consider myself perfect. I simply desire someone who would be disgusted with being patronized.

I'd love to say that I want my man to always be 100% honest and direct. But that's bull$hit 'cause I don't.

See that is my problem. I only care about what is true, and I only want my experiences to be genuine.

Let's say your woman is home all day with an infant. You come home and the house is a god damn mess and she looks freaking tired. You can't help wonder what she did all day 'cause the infant can't even move and why does the house look like hell?

She looks at you and says the house is a total freaking mess.....

Now here you have a couple of options. You could agree and say, "Yeah it is. What the hell did you do all day?" Let the fights begin....

Or you could say, "Nah it's not so bad. How 'bout we go out to dinner?"

I wouldn't say either, I'm the man who firstly wouldn't say "What the hell did you do all day?" and believe in division of labor. And a house-wife is not what I'm looking for.

Should I find myself in such a situation, say she takes off a few years to raise the child, I would take the burden of that child from her, put it to rest as best I could, pour her a glass of wine and clean the house. Whether or not she wanted to pick a fight.

Guess which man is getting laid that night?

Believe it or not, but I can from time to time suspend my need for release for the sake of truth (or just stubbornly pointing out that I am right.)

That "Well you're not getting any tonight" tripe doesn't fly with me. But then again I have very specific ethics regarding when and how I want to "get laid."

 

[talloulou]

Re: I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Believe it or not, but I can from time to time suspend my need for release for the sake of truth (or just stubbornly pointing out that I am right.)

That "Well you're not getting any tonight" tripe doesn't fly with me. But then again I have very specific ethics regarding when and how I want to "get laid."

Specific ethics regarding when and how? I've been married for 10 years. When it comes to my husband and I there are no ethics..... We trade sexual favors for chores, make bets and have competitions where the loser owes sexual favors, ect.... I know nothing of these ethics you speak of....:angel?:

As far as the long life span and all that jazz I don't think there's much that can compete with history. I love our history. All of it. The good, the bad, the exciting, the boring. No one knows me like he does. We've traveled a long road together and ever parting ways at this point seems unimaginable.

 

[Gardener]

Re: Perhaps I should clarify.

It's just that limiting yourself to college girls will mean that 95% of them have clothes.

I thought everybody already knew that the ones who don't are much more interesting.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Specific ethics regarding when and how?

Do you really want to know? This is talloulou right?

I've been married for 10 years. When it comes to my husband and I there are no ethics..... We trade sexual favors for chores, make bets and have competitions where the loser owes sexual favors, ect.... I know nothing of these ethics you speak of....:angel?:

I sincerely hope that my passion does not become so.... debased that it becomes a means of exchange.

As far as the long life span and all that jazz I don't think there's much that can compete with history. I love our history. All of it. The good, the bad, the exciting, the boring. No one knows me like he does. We've traveled a long road together and ever parting ways at this point seems unimaginable.

Perhaps you're speaking of an emotional attachment that is beyond my inexperience.

 

[Kelzie]

Re: I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Do you really want to know? This is talloulou right?



I sincerely hope that my passion does not become so.... debased that it becomes a means of exchange.



Perhaps you're speaking of an emotional attachment that is beyond my inexperience.

Lord boy. :roll: Live a little huh? Sex doesn't have to be serious all the time. Sure there are times when it's all loving, gazing into each others eyes and that's important. It's also just as important that you laugh sometimes and joke and tease and for lack of a better phrase, kick up your heels and ****. Trading sexual favors for chores is not only funny but it's also very economical. Both parties win.

 

[Gardener]

Re: I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Trading sexual favors for chores is not only funny but it's also very economical.

Man, your house looks clean!

 

[Gardener]

Re: I'm not interested in ****ing up anyone's evening

Perhaps you're speaking of an emotional attachment that is beyond my inexperience.

Hey -- I just found your perfect woman! She may be a bit old for a young fellow such as yourself, but her personality is right.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Whos that?

Hey -- I just found your perfect woman! She may be a bit old for a young fellow such as yourself, but her personality is right.

Perhaps I'd get the joke if I knew who she was.