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Los Angeles ranks No. 1 in move-outs for second year, PODS data shows

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And prior to the PODS data, U-Haul had been showing Los Angeles to lead in years past.

Its much more than people retiring and taking their fortunes and moving to a more sustainable area.

Its peolle fleeing toxic politics and liberal progressive government.

There are indeed 'greener pastures' east of the Mississippi.

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Americans continue to favor southern cities, while major metropolitan areas in California and the Northeast experience significant population declines, according to PODS’ latest annual Moving Trends Report.

The report, analyzing customer move data from January 2024 through March 2025, found that California, with seven cities, including Los Angeles, San Diego, and the San Francisco Bay Area, ranked among the top 20 areas with the highest number of move-outs.

High living costs, housing affordability issues, and increased natural disaster risks are cited as primary factors driving residents away.

 
The entire list is people leaving blue states for red, other than a few areas in Florida. This is going to change political representation in the 2030 census. Dems will lose both house seats and EC votes.


20 Cities With the Highest Number of Move-Outs Ranked

  • Los Angeles, CA (1st in 2024)
  • Northern California (San Francisco area) (2nd in 2024)
  • South Florida (Miami area) (3rd in 2024)
  • Long Island, NY (Serving parts of NYC) (4th in 2024)
  • San Diego, CA (8th in 2024)
  • Central Jersey, NJ (6th in 2024)
  • Chicago, IL (7th in 2024)
  • Boston, MA (13th in 2024)
  • Hudson Valley, NY (10th in 2024)
  • Denver, CO (12th in 2024)
  • Santa Barbara, CA (11th in 2024)
  • Seattle, WA (Not ranked in 2024)
  • Stockton-Modesto, CA (9th in 2024)
  • Washington, DC (Not ranked in 2024)
  • Hartford, CT (15th in 2024)
  • Tampa Bay, FL (Not ranked in 2024)
  • Fresno, CA (17th in 2024)
  • Austin, TX (5th in 2024)
  • Bakersfield, CA (18th in 2024)
  • Philadelphia, PA (Not ranked in 2024)
 
Well yeah. It’s one of the most populous and expensive places to live in the country.

Lots of people move out.

And then lots of other people move in.

Los Angeles actually experienced net population growth in 2024 and are anticipated to hold or grow slightly in 2025

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We see the same thing in NJ - people can’t keep up with rising costs of living and leave for cheaper locations.

Within days of listing their houses, the house is sold and someone else moves in.

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Well yeah. It’s one of the most populous and expensive places to live in the country.

Lots of people move out.

And then lots of other people move in.

Los Angeles actually experienced net population growth in 2024 and are anticipated to hold or grow slightly in 2025

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We see the same thing in NJ - people can’t keep up with rising costs of living and leave for cheaper locations.

Within days of listing their houses, the house is sold and someone else moves in.

🤷‍♀️
Strange how Old Confederacy types really need to believe everyone wants to live near them.
 
And prior to the PODS data, U-Haul had been showing Los Angeles to lead in years past.

Its much more than people retiring and taking their fortunes and moving to a more sustainable area.

Its peolle fleeing toxic politics and liberal progressive government.

There are indeed 'greener pastures' east of the Mississippi.

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California looking at their electoral votes to compare to moving out and in, for the first time in the state’s history after the 2010 census California failed to gain any electoral votes. They remained at 55. After the 2020 census, California lost one electoral vote and is project to either lose one or two after the 2030 census. Here’s the projected changes.

Gains:

Texas: Could gain 4-5 seats.

Florida: Could gain 3-4 seats.

South: The South as a whole is projected to gain 9 seats, driven by population growth in states like Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and Texas.

Arizona, Idaho, and Utah: Each could gain a single seat.

Losses:

California: May lose 2 seats.

Illinois, New York, Minnesota, and Oregon: May each lose a single seat.

Other states in the Northeast and Midwest: Could see further losses.
 
The entire list is people leaving blue states for red, other than a few areas in Florida. This is going to change political representation in the 2030 census. Dems will lose both house seats and EC votes.
What we’ve seen here in Georgia, we’ve had a huge influx of folks from the northeast moving here. They tend to bring their voting habits with them. In other words, if they voted democratic in New York or New Jersey, move to Georgia, they continue to vote democratic here. The influx has moved Georgia from a solid red state to a swing state that is trending blue. Using Cook’s PVI or partisan voting index, Georgia has moved from a R+10 in 2000 down to an R+3 today. Other states are also trending either toward red or blue. Here’s the latest.

There has been movement from 2000-2024 for the states from red to blue or blue to red. Below is the movement based on PVI, Partisan Voting Index along with their number of electoral votes for the 2024 presidential election. I only included swing states, no solid red or blue states.

Arizona from an R+6 down to an R+2. Moving blue. 11 electoral votes

Florida from R+1 to a R+3 getting slightly redder. 30 electoral votes

Georgia from a R+10 down to an R+3 Moving blue 16 electoral votes

Michigan from a D+6 to a R+1 Moving Red 15 electoral votes

Minnesota from a D+10 down to a D+1 moving Red 10 electoral votes

Nevada from D+3 to R+1 Moving Red 6 electoral votes

North Carolina from an R+9 down to a R+3 moving blue 16 electoral votes

Ohio from an R+4 up to an R+6 Becoming more red 17 electoral votes

Pennsylvania from D+4 to R+2 moving red 19 electoral votes

Texas from an R+10 down to an R+5 moving blue 40 electoral votes

Wisconsin from a D+10 to a R+2 moving red 10 electoral votes

 
What we’ve seen here in Georgia, we’ve had a huge influx of folks from the northeast moving here. They tend to bring their voting habits with them. In other words, if they voted democratic in New York or New Jersey, move to Georgia, they continue to vote democratic here. The influx has moved Georgia from a solid red state to a swing state that is trending blue. Using Cook’s PVI or partisan voting index, Georgia has moved from a R+10 in 2000 down to an R+3 today. Other states are also trending either toward red or blue. Here’s the latest.

There has been movement from 2000-2024 for the states from red to blue or blue to red. Below is the movement based on PVI, Partisan Voting Index along with their number of electoral votes for the 2024 presidential election. I only included swing states, no solid red or blue states.

Arizona from an R+6 down to an R+2. Moving blue. 11 electoral votes

Florida from R+1 to a R+3 getting slightly redder. 30 electoral votes

Georgia from a R+10 down to an R+3 Moving blue 16 electoral votes

Michigan from a D+6 to a R+1 Moving Red 15 electoral votes

Minnesota from a D+10 down to a D+1 moving Red 10 electoral votes

Nevada from D+3 to R+1 Moving Red 6 electoral votes

North Carolina from an R+9 down to a R+3 moving blue 16 electoral votes

Ohio from an R+4 up to an R+6 Becoming more red 17 electoral votes

Pennsylvania from D+4 to R+2 moving red 19 electoral votes

Texas from an R+10 down to an R+5 moving blue 40 electoral votes

Wisconsin from a D+10 to a R+2 moving red 10 electoral votes


In Texas, the (recent) growth seems to be (mostly) in the suburban counties surrounding major cities. Where we live, in Uhland, TX (Hays/Caldwell counties), it’s rapidly changing from rural pasture land to suburban housing developments. We now have more people than cattle as neighbors.

 
As our population ages people will move from high income/high cost areas to places where living is far more economical. This has nothing to do with horrible liberal policies or great conservative policies. It's just common sense.
 
In Texas, the (recent) growth seems to be (mostly) in the suburban counties surrounding major cities. Where we live, in Uhland, TX (Hays/Caldwell counties), it’s rapidly changing from rural pasture land to suburban housing developments. We now have more people than cattle as neighbors.

Same here. I used to live in Clayton county south of Atlanta which is now basically a suburb of Atlanta. No more farms. I moved further south in 2004 into Henry County and it is now fast becoming a suburb of Atlanta with asphalt and concrete replacing farms along with housing divisions, shopping centers etc. It used to be quite rural, not anymore. I would say we’ve become way overpopulated, I always liked my open space.
 
Same here. I used to live in Clayton county south of Atlanta which is now basically a suburb of Atlanta. No more farms. I moved further south in 2004 into Henry County and it is now fast becoming a suburb of Atlanta with asphalt and concrete replacing farms along with housing divisions, shopping centers etc. It used to be quite rural, not anymore. I would say we’ve become way overpopulated, I always liked my open space.

That trend may be contributing to the beef (cattle) shortage.
 
The entire list is people leaving blue states for red, other than a few areas in Florida. This is going to change political representation in the 2030 census. Dems will lose both house seats and EC votes.
More nonsensical bullshit with no supporting evidence.
 
Nobody goes to LA anymore. It's too crowded.
 
That trend may be contributing to the beef (cattle) shortage.

Which is strange as I believe most cattle farms complain about low prices for cattle. I expect middle men are making the money
 
Which is strange as I believe most cattle farms complain about low prices for cattle. I expect middle men are making the money

Why keep a ranch/farm if selling it (to developers) makes them more (and guaranteed) money with much less effort?
 
And yet in 2024, California experienced a population increase of approximately 108,000 people, reaching 39,529,000 residents by January 1st, 2025. This growth marks the second consecutive year of increase for the state after experiencing population declines during the pandemic.
 
Smell A is an awful place, now. It used to be a beautiful city, but has really gone downhill since the dems took over. It literally stinks - the stench of urine and feces hangs in the air - even in some parts of the west side, now. 😞


cities-with-the-highest-homeless-population.jpg


I would leave this hell-hole if I could, but my business is here, my family is here, and my rental properties are here. It would be too disruptive to leave.
 
When Bill DeBlazio was mayor of NYC the change became obvious very quickly. Crime spiked under his liberal leadership, panhandling got out of control, garbage everywhere, and the smell of urine was overwhelming in some areas that had never experienced that before. My wife and I go into NYC occasionally especially during the holiday season and the first year of his term we immediately noticed the difference and didn’t go in again during the rest of his stay in office.
 
Los Angeles actually experienced net population growth in 2024 and are anticipated to hold or grow slightly in 2025

Yes, California has had an increase of population, and Los Angeles County as well aka the greater Los Angeles area. This “greater area” will includes Santa Monica, Malibu, Culver City, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Pasadena, Glendale, Burbank, plus myriad cities in the South [Santa Monica] Bay, San Fernando and San Gabriel Valleys, and the high desert communities in the Antelope Valley around Lancaster and Palmdale. Parts of the Conejo Valley as well. Not that anyone would notice where one municipality ends and another begins except by color of the signs for street names or the discreet city name — or not so discreet as when entering Malibu.

 
And prior to the PODS data, U-Haul had been showing Los Angeles to lead in years past.

Its much more than people retiring and taking their fortunes and moving to a more sustainable area.

Its peolle fleeing toxic politics and liberal progressive government.

There are indeed 'greener pastures' east of the Mississippi.

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Okay.

Here are the latest census estimates.


You'll need an .xlsx reader to view the spreadsheets.

This webpage has a sortable list.


If you sort by density, you'll notice a strong correlation between high-density and population loss. People are leaving crowded cities for sprawl. The ability to work from home may have something to do with this.

There is humidity east of the Wasatch. No thanks.
 
And prior to the PODS data, U-Haul had been showing Los Angeles to lead in years past.

Its much more than people retiring and taking their fortunes and moving to a more sustainable area.

Its peolle fleeing toxic politics and liberal progressive government.

There are indeed 'greener pastures' east of the Mississippi.

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My family and friends love CA. I moved for factors other than toxic blah blah... and none that I know are moving for that reason either.



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Yes, California has had an increase of population, and Los Angeles County as well aka the greater Los Angeles area. This “greater area” will includes Santa Monica, Malibu, Culver City, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Pasadena, Glendale, Burbank, plus myriad cities in the South [Santa Monica] Bay, San Fernando and San Gabriel Valleys, and the high desert communities in the Antelope Valley around Lancaster and Palmdale. Parts of the Conejo Valley as well. Not that anyone would notice where one municipality ends and another begins except by color of the signs for street names or the discreet city name — or not so discreet as when entering Malibu.


Has Venice cleaned up in the past 20 years, because it used to be kinda dumpy.

I would say that the Greater LA Area also includes North Inland Orange County, San Bernadino and West Riverside as well as most of the I.E.




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Smell A is an awful place, now. It used to be a beautiful city, but has really gone downhill since the dems took over. It literally stinks - the stench of urine and feces hangs in the air - even in some parts of the west side, now. 😞


cities-with-the-highest-homeless-population.jpg


I would leave this hell-hole if I could, but my business is here, my family is here, and my rental properties are here. It would be too disruptive to leave.

We visited a few months ago and I was shocked at some previously decent areas that seemed to now be overrun with homeless and sketchy tough guys.


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The entire list is people leaving blue states for red, other than a few areas in Florida. This is going to change political representation in the 2030 census. Dems will lose both house seats and EC votes.
Does move outs mean they are also changing their political affiliation?
 
We visited a few months ago and I was shocked at some previously decent areas that seemed to now be overrun with homeless and sketchy tough guys.


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That’s every major city in America
 
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