Because the SEIU has done some calculating and $15 achieves their goal, and with dues, allows the peons to keep a little bit of their earnings, and keep them dependent on the union for their futures. Why else would the SEIU be backing the $15/hr push at McDonalds?
I don't think anyone is saying NO DEMAND.
But 70% LESS demand?
Do you want to live in a world with even 25% unemployment, with our current economic system? I don't.
But don't we want people to make more money to support their family? Why don't we push for $25? I'm sure inflation won't be an issue.
The stores closing, are they non chain book stores as the competition is fierce, causing many small bookstores to go under.here is at least one in seattle and many more are claiming the same thing.
Owner of pizza shop says new Seattle minimum wage law is forcing her to close | Q13 FOX News
there are at least 2 reported book stores one in san fran the other in LA that are closing up because they can't afford the pay increases.
I am sure more will follow suit as the pay begins to creep up however it is still early.
already businesses are starting to raise prices, cut hours and people.
amazing isn't it.
of course all of this is in the news if you read something other than media matters.
No it wouldn't.
Washing dishes is essential EVERY DAY. Pay checks get cut on a weekly basis, sometimes every two weeks. Bills get piad per month.
So...no CEO means the place will still run for one week, minimum. No dishes being washed means the place gets shut down right after the first lunch rush.
The stores closing, are they non chain book stores as the competition is fierce, causing many small bookstores to go under.
does it matter? even chain store franchises are complaining that they are going to have issues paying people.
You're not answering my question. What a wonderful example of dodging and condescension, guy!
It doesn't matter that we outpace them, there isn't a huge gap between Ireland, Canada and the U.K. and the United States. A 3%-5% change for a 50%-100% increase in minimum wage and introduction of more social safety nets isn't really helping your case. I will ask again:
Why does the United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, etc. have such high numbers of single-parent households, guy? They have substantial safety nets and relatively high minimum wages.
They have the high standard of living you proclaim would create stable families, yet are close to the United States in terms of single-parent households. You cannot just ignore them as if they don't matter - that's cherry picking.
Geez man your way out there, seriously a cashier is very productive, especially if you want your drawers to BALANCE, not to mention you have to have good people skills because you ate dealing with money, and emotions run high, it's harder than it looks, not to mention you have to keep your temper in check, and have sharp attention to detail..
Janitor seriously get real, next time somebody walks into the john of your business and walks out because someone took a dump on the floor you lose money, all of your workforce is productive and should be given respect for what they do .
You wanna pay lousy wages fine, your turnover rate is gonna sky rocket, and you will be counter productive, because you will spend all of tour time trying to find suckers to replace the guys who walked out on you, without notice of course..
Nobody has a damn thing to lose walking out on some cheesy crap job, especially when they can get more on welfare..
I think I will believe the store owner over some sketchy website I have never heard of.
again there are two different books stores also getting ready to close as well. those are just the ones we have heard about
I am sure more small business owners will follow as they cannot afford the pay increases.
you said find examples I found examples that shut down that minimum wage increases doesn't harm employee's or businesses.
yep and who says people will pay the 5% increase? they might but not as often as they use to.
it depends on the restaurant and whether they can increase it 5%.
again Costco and sam's club target different people with different scales the comparison is apples and oranges.
we will see what happens. I was in the outback the other day. other than having someone bring me my food a waitress was almost not needed with the ordering tablet at the table.
for fast food automated ordering machines will replace cashiers.
same thing in grocery stores. bag boys forget it.
Minimum wage hike killed jobs, hurt low-skilled workers: study - Washington Times
once again proven wrong. raising minimum wage hurts poor low skill no skill workers.
why a business can't justify paying someone 15 dollars an hour on a job that doesn't earn it.
Actually I was aware.I am also aware that that background, though interesting, has exactly zero impact on the purpose of using that quote, which was to demonstrate that even extremely intelligent people describing developments in their field will often prove vastly inferior to the accumulated abilities, knowledge, and ingenuity of thousands, millions, or tens of millions of less-well-informed individuals. Arguments that there will be no demand for low-skill labor in the future because one person or another cannot fathom a way to allocate that labor, therefore, are proceeding from a false assumption.
The safety nets you speak of are not as grand as many would think. We also have higher taxes as well.You're not answering my question. What a wonderful example of dodging and condescension, guy!
It doesn't matter that we outpace them, there isn't a huge gap between Ireland, Canada and the U.K. and the United States. A 3%-5% change for a 50%-100% increase in minimum wage and introduction of more social safety nets isn't really helping your case. I will ask again:
Why does the United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, etc. have such high numbers of single-parent households, guy? They have substantial safety nets and relatively high minimum wages.
They have the high standard of living you proclaim would create stable families, yet are close to the United States in terms of single-parent households. You cannot just ignore them as if they don't matter - that's cherry picking.
Point is relevant, wally mart and places like drive other small bus under.
Books, most use readers, free open libraries. I still like the feel of a book, and buy one on occasion.
More people hopping online. Affects the big box stores.
Otherwise I download it.
Restaurants rely on tips to subsidize waiters wages.
Guy, that's a story from ONE store owner...whereas the links I presented (including from the local newspaper the Seattle Times) showed multiple store owners who say otherwise. But of course since it doesn't fit in with your particular worldview, facts need not apply. 'Cause reality has that liberal bias, y'know....
Several points:
1. Seattle's $15 per hour minimum wage isn't the reason the Seattle area has such a strong economy; its strong economy leverages such factors as a highly-educated populace (57% of Seattle residents have Bachelor's Degrees or higher while fewer than 7% lacked high school diplomas), and is a reason the minimum wage increase (just now being phased in) will very likely have a much smaller adverse impact than that in Los Angeles.
2. The law will impact approximately 102,000 workers having wages between $9.32 per hour (Washington's minimum wage) and $15 per hour, or about a quarter of Seattle's workforce: Study: $15 wage floor would lift pay for 24% of Seattle workers | The Seattle Times
... but the actual data will be essential to measuring the impact in Seattle. Right now, there's no conclusive evidence of a major impact (which may lend support to the modest impact scenario), but it's premature to reach firm conclusions right now.
IMO, Seattle is well-positioned to handle its $15 per hour minimum wage with only modest adverse labor market and broader industry structure and economic effects. Los Angeles, with more than a quarter of its population lacking a high school diploma and fewer than a third possessing college degrees, is in a notably weaker position than Seattle.
Guy, that's a story from ONE store owner...whereas the links I presented (including from the local newspaper the Seattle Times) showed multiple store owners who say otherwise. But of course since it doesn't fit in with your particular worldview, facts need not apply. 'Cause reality has that liberal bias, y'know....
Yeah. Again. Absent a cost floor which makes purchase prohibitive, demand crashing by 70% is about just as ridiculous.
Me neither. That's why I think that things like $15 MW laws are dumb. Automation doesn't make people structurally unemployable, it just makes them unemployable at their current position. That is unfortunately not true of cost floors that are higher than a workers' value-added.
with no one to order food or supplies or direct people in what to do then no it wouldn't.
again I can get someone already working to do the dishes. I don't need a separate person.
you seem to forget that.
But those minimum wages AREN'T higher than the value added, else the business would promptly go OUT of business, or simply decide that the job they provide isn't all that necessary.
And there are non CEOs that can place an order with a food distributor.
Pulling someone to wash the dishes means by definition that that person is no longer doing some other job they were originally slated to do. What you are failing to address is the simple fact that, truly, the dishwasher is more important to the daily operation of a restaurant than an owner, or a CEO, unless part of that person's job description IS to wash dishes, in a pinch, lol.
Ultimately, the JOB of dish washing, when not done, results in a closed restaurant MUCH faster than the JOB of a CEO not done does.
I posted facts stores in fact are closing and more will close as the cost of business continues to rise.
I even linked an article from a new study out of CA no less on the negative affects of raising the minimum wage which you ignored.
no you have a liberal bias and reality says otherwise.
you also as I mentioned above for get economic scaling.
It is one owner that is all that is needed to provide an example. plus I posted another article from a university in CA no less that shows raising minimum wage does have a negative effect.
then you forget the economy of scale. if you want to pay the no skill worker a skilled worker wage then the skilled worker will want more money.
if he doesn't get more money then you have devalued his skills and his job position.
if he does get more money it means that prices will drive up even further and the people making minimum wage will still be at the bottom only worse off.
if anything you hire more people and just work them 15 20 hours a week and they are still making the same amount of money.
I live in a state where the minimum wage is barely half the $15 minimum proposed here, and self-bag & automated check-outs are now prevalent (& growing).yep and we will see how many businesses stay in business and how many low skill workers lose their jobs. it will be great as automated ordering machines will pick up in business.
ol wait they don't have the skills to do that job.
no more bag boys go bag your own groceries.
more automated checkouts.
here I thought liberals weren't against poor people so why would you price them out of a job?
That is an odd comment, that a geographic area (Seattle) can be 'well-positioned'? If the cost of labor goes up, and employers reduce Seattle jobs, then Seattle will offer fewer jobs (or lower job growth) than it would otherwise. And the only 'better-positioned' in Seattle are those that are retained because they are the most skilled and educated, while the affected groups (teens, minorities, unskilled, entry level, youth, trainees) will have to go elsewhere (or be unemployed). Someone has to go,(or is not hired), even if every bus-boy in Seattle had a Masters Degree.
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