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Only two dead. If it does not hit double digit fatalities it is not significant. :roll::shock:

This is worth a listen

Mass Shootings In America By The Numbers : NPR

We have mass killings on the average of every two weeks in the USA. 70% involve firearms as the weapon of choice. Men are the overwhelming killers.
 
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So you don't think it is strange or horrifying that our Nation has had 3 mass shootings in a month? Talk about denial. Unbelievable. Next, start the victim blaming.


a statistical anomaly is just that. I'd still go surfing today in North Carolina...
 
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Only Cowards Carry Guns


We need to replace that lie with the truth “Only cowards carry guns”. Gun advocates and the NRA are fearful of unseen evils, they are the cowards, and they want everyone to cower with them. They want to sell you your own fear so you think you need a gun, they want you to be a coward. The NRA and the gun advocates have always know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


Guns are for weak men with fear in their hearts. IF you cannot fight hand to hand and need a firearm you are no man at all.
 
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Only Cowards Carry Guns


We need to replace that lie with the truth “Only cowards carry guns”. Gun advocates and the NRA are fearful of unseen evils, they are the cowards, and they want everyone to cower with them. They want to sell you your own fear so you think you need a gun, they want you to be a coward. The NRA and the gun advocates have always know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


Guns are for weak men with fear in their hearts. IF you cannot fight hand to hand and need a firearm you are no man at all.




Lets all disarm then!

Cool.

Police and government first.

Daily Kos? Are you for real? loloololololololoololololo
 
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Just because crimes have gone down DOESN'T make us any less of a violent nation.

Here:


The latest UN homicide report shows that the Americas as a region now has the highest homicide rate in the world, with five Latin American countries topping the charts, and Central America one of the globe's most troubled sub-regions.

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime's (UNODC) newly released 2013 Global Study on Homicides (pdf) found that the Americas -- north, central and south -- was the most violent region in the world in 2012, with 16.3 killings per 100,000 people, followed by Africa with 12.5 (see UNODC graph). When the UNODC published its last global homicide study in 2011, the Americas had a homicide rate of 15.5 per 100,000, while the rate in Africa was 17.4 homicides per 100,000 (pdf).

Americas Replaces Africa as World's Most Violent Region: UN
 
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I don't recall hearing people say this after the 9/11 attacks. Yet, there is strict scrutiny before getting on a plane.

Its ironic that more people are killed in domestic gun violence in the US every month than were killed in the 9/11 attacks yet nobody cares a jot
 
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I am not certain as to the point of 235 posts to the 200th + thread on gun violence in America. We have long established, as a people, that these are acceptable collateral casualties in the quest to maintain unfettered gun ownership for all....

Perhaps we can discuss a problem that someone will actually willing to make the tough decisions to actually try to solve.
 
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Its ironic that more people are killed in domestic gun violence in the US every month than were killed in the 9/11 attacks yet nobody cares a jot

Or at best, people dismiss it.
 
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Its ironic that more people are killed in domestic gun violence in the US every month than were killed in the 9/11 attacks yet nobody cares a jot



Link please proving your statistic. If over 90% of all shootings involve people with criminal records, I suspect you will make an excuse not to provide proof of your goofy claim.
 
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Its ironic that more people are killed in domestic gun violence in the US every month than were killed in the 9/11 attacks yet nobody cares a jot


Not strictly true.

The monthly number is slightly lower, and nearly 2/3rds are either suicides or justified shootings.


Also, far MORE people are killed every month in traffic accidents... yet nobody cares a jot.
 
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I am not certain as to the point of 235 posts to the 200th + thread on gun violence in America. We have long established, as a people, that these are acceptable collateral casualties in the quest to maintain unfettered gun ownership for all.....

....in your opinion. There are people that disagree with this.
 
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I don't recall hearing people say this after the 9/11 attacks. Yet, there is strict scrutiny before getting on a plane.

Two issues with this post...

First, you're apparently misunderstanding what I'm speaking about with strict scrutiny. For the government to infringe upon a constitutionally protected right they must do so with a legal justification that stands up to strict scrutiny in terms of the necessity of the action and in terms of the scope of it's impact.

Airports are, typically, federally owned property. Air space, I believe, is considered federally "owned" at a certain level. There is no clearly defined protection within the constitution of ones ability to use a particular method of transportation. Therefore the government has a lower threshold they must to restrict peoples ability to board and fly on airplanes comparative to restricting peoples ability to keep and bear arms. There were arguments regarding the potential violation of the 4th amendment, some of which have been successfully challenged and won in court. However, part of the issue here is the fact that secure areas of airports are often federally owned and then leased land and there's been long standing judicial support for security for entrance onto various federal facilities.

Second, the scope of impact for 9/11 dwarfs pretty much any single, or even a combination, of mass shootings.

Take for instance the DC sniper from a decade or so ago. A "mass shooter" that was over three weeks instead of at a single time. He killed 17 people and injured 10 others. The economic impact of this was estimated around $1 billion dollars due to the fear it inspired over such a long period of time.

Compare this to 9/11. We had over 2,570 people die and over 6,000 injured. The economic cost, not counting the military engagements or government action, was around $180 billion. If you were to factor in the military costs, due to the reality that it was an act of war and not simply an illegal act (Hi military target), you're looking at an economic impact of nearly $2 trillion.

Now while the Beltway sniper was a "mass shooting" of sorts, it's not how you normally think of it since it was over multiple times. How about the Aurora Colorado shooting? Even the liberal Mother Jones only put it around $100 million....or essentially, 0.06% of the impact that 9/11 caused. You would need 180 thousand "aurora's" to have a similar impact to the economy as 9/11 had. That would be 50 mass shootings a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for 10 years.

So while there's still constitutional grounds to challenge some of the post 9/11 actions towards the 4th amendment and other things, the reality is that the threat a terrorist attack of that scale poses to the country is exponentially higher than that posed by mass shootings. Thus, there is a more cohesive and reliable argument that the government can put forth in an attempt to justify it's attempted constitutional infringements in those areas as opposed to those relating to mass shootings. And yet still, even in that realm, many people are making the same style arguments against the government action that occurs with regards to guns.
 
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How can you say that with a ounce of intelligence? Do you not watch the news? We are much more violent...I don't care what the slanted statistics state.

Making conclusions on the total amount of violence in the country by the news reports you personally see is pretty dumb. How can you say with an ounce of intelligence that the FBI provide slanted statistics when all they are doing is looking at hard numbers?
 
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Link please proving your statistic. If over 90% of all shootings involve people with criminal records, I suspect you will make an excuse not to provide proof of your goofy claim.

Your gun deaths are set to rise above 35,000 this year. You lost just under 3000 in the 9/11 attacks do the math.

This is what the consequences are for your society ....

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

International Comparison '.org': Crime and Incarceration Statistics per Country
 
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That's only because the country is getting older. That and the fact that we've largely abandoned the war on drugs. Otherwise the angry afraid white men demographic is increasingly homicidal....

Sort of a related story I found to be interesting:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...mind-the-assassin-the-case-jared-lee-loughner


The major findings as revealed in personal interviews conducted with famous criminals such as Arthur Bremmer who paralyzed George Wallace and David Chapman who killed John Lennon and many others whose feats were less widely publicized reveal some clear patterns:
77% were white and 86% male
51% had used a handgun and 30% a rifle
25% were employed full time
57% were not delusional
61% had been evaluated or treated for mental health problems
41% had shown signs of being suicidal and 39% had a history of substance abuse
97% had a history of strongly expressed resentment and grievances
0% sent a direct threat to the person targeted
 
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Rinse, Repeat.
 
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Not strictly true.

The monthly number is slightly lower, and nearly 2/3rds are either suicides or justified shootings.


Also, far MORE people are killed every month in traffic accidents... yet nobody cares a jot.

And more people die of old age too :roll:
 
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And more people die of old age too :roll:


Hardly comparable. Gun deaths and traffic fatalities both cut lives short "unnecessarily", and are therefore more comparable.


We could also discuss how a large number of both perps and victims of murder have criminal records...
 
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Making conclusions on the total amount of violence in the country by the news reports you personally see is pretty dumb. How can you say with an ounce of intelligence that the FBI provide slanted statistics when all they are doing is looking at hard numbers?

You are fine...no one is grabbing for your guns. Relax. This is our norm now..and the nation is getting numb to it. I own a gun too...but I am not so blind I can't see they are causing problems. The only fear I have, are the ignorant attitudes that will eventually take that right away. Relax and blame the victims or not carrying...that is the new battle cry.
 
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Two issues with this post...

First, you're apparently misunderstanding what I'm speaking about with strict scrutiny.

Second, the scope of impact for 9/11 dwarfs pretty much any single, or even a combination, of mass shootings.

I'm talking about this "Fact, the victims of those things account for less than 0.005% of the entire population of this country. Fact, you are twice as likely to be killed by someone using their body parts than by someone using a rifle. Fact, you are more likely to be killed by a fall, car accidents, or poisoning/overdose than you are from being assaulted with a firearm. Shouting random contextless facts doesn't magically make your OPINION about guns a fact."

The old you are more likely to die in an accident etc....than a terrorist attack argument.
Many things changed after the 9-11 attacks that are considered against our constitutional rights btw.
 
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Your gun deaths are set to rise above 35,000 this year. You lost just under 3000 in the 9/11 attacks do the math.

This is what the consequences are for your society ....

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

International Comparison '.org': Crime and Incarceration Statistics per Country

Gun deaths are also beginning to exceed car related deaths...but there are many who dispute those statistics.
 
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