From the Houston Local news that is exactly what happened.
One Shooter, One Gun. Bad guy,(Student status unknown) approaches student, argues with him,
pull out a gun and shoots him 3 times out of 5 to 7 shots.
1 stray hits a maintenance man.
Bad guy goes to put his gun back in his waste band, and shoots himself in leg.
The arrest him at the hospital, where he went for a gunshot wound.
Shooter identified in Lone Star College campus shooting | khou.com Houston
How are they carried out in Japan...a country with no access to firearms and a suicide rate 5tines greater than the US?How are most suicides carried out in the military?
Your post was fine. Valid points and grounded in reality. Right up until this point....We have heard a ton about the problem with gun free zones from the right. And its always the same message: bad guys pick schools because they no its a gun free zone and its like shooting fish in a barrel and they can't shoot back. If there were only good guys there packing heat then they would be shot down in seconds and many lives would have been saved.
So what the hell does that have to do with what happened in Texas yesterday? Tell me. Who was the bad guy who came hunting and who could have been saved by more people whipping out the bad news and opening fire?
The Texas shootings had nothing in common with Newtown and the mention of a gun free zone was absurd and totally out of place. These were two guys who had a beef with each other and decided to use guns to solve it. In the crossfire, an innocent person was hit and a second had a heart attack.
The gun free zone had nothing to do with this and the only mention of it was a knee jerk automatic response by the right because that is their latest cause celebre in the desire to get even more guns in America and get them on the streets as part of a political and ideological agenda.
I would live to see a source on this. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't repeat it until I know it's true.Yep, it was a "gangsta" with a long history of criminal behavior...
Imagine that.
Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.
The problem wasn't training.Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
The problem wasn't training.
The problem was the "New York Trigger". I know low-information voters who use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably and believe that "assault weapons" are real things just like Santa and the Easter bunny, can't be bothered to know how trigger-pull plays into accuracy, but it matters...a ton.
Those NY cops were using a gun with a 13lb trigger pull. This forces the finger to 'muscle' the trigger, which pulls the gun off-target. Most hand guns have a factory 3-5lb trigger pull, and most civilians dial that down to 2lbs or lower for accuracy, but nY cops have to have a gun with a 13lb pull.
A barely practiced civilian with a 2lb trigger will be more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.
What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.Interesting argument, and you may have a point. And it may also be that this is largely difficult to do. More than one police officer has related how people shooting at other people often goes array. And I suspect the less training one has, the less practice, the less familiarity, the less likely one is to hit the right target.
Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.
What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.
How are they carried out in Japan...a country with no access to firearms and a suicide rate 5tines greater than the US?
That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.
Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
I already did. A lesser trained person with a 2-5lb trigger is more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.
Your post was fine. Valid points and grounded in reality. Right up until this point....
...and then you lost control and revealed yourself.
"Get even more guns on the streets as part of a political agenda"??? I guess blind partisans like yourself just can't avoid that "WTF???" moment that renders any prior logical dialog moot, can they...:doh
Typical.
You said that the goal was to "get more guns on the streets". That statement is a gross misrepresentation of the entire concept of legal gun ownership.What exactly did I say that was factually untrue? Is it not the intent and goal of many gun groups to expand gun ownership and put more guns in the hands of people? Is it not a fact that gun politics goes hand in hand with much of conservative politics and one works with the other as evidenced by the NRA's own delcared political contributions?
National Rifle Assn: Summary | OpenSecrets
It was trained police officers that shot 9 bystanders. The guy with a concealed weapon at the Arizona shooting almost shot the hero because he thought he was the shooter!
Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
From your post
Oh, so you saw a security tape that showed that the shooter did scan the area and did know where everyone was and whether or not they were a LEO?
Actually, not all health studies are based on correlation, and the ones that do are not considered to have shown causation. They merely give medical researchers an indication for further research
And you said "shooting", not "mass shooting". If you're going to limit this to mass shootings, then you'll have to provide evidence that the mass shooters took the fact that the place was a GFZ into consideration. Since there is no such evidence, and more evidence that other factors were what determined the locations, you will lose the gun fanatics argument concerning how GFZ's are targetted by mass shooters.
you said shootings
I'm not writing a legal document. You know we are talking about mass shootings.
You said that the goal was to "get more guns on the streets". That statement is a gross misrepresentation of the entire concept of legal gun ownership.
But then again, I'm not telling you anything here that you don't already know...
Sure they would -
NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police
"Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday."
NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police: Gothamist
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