Live discussion of Robert Mueller's testimoony today - hopefully respectful

[Sabre]

did anyone prove guilt?

forget proving innocence....did someone PROVE GUILT beyond a reasonable doubt that the american people will abide by....

that is the standard....the ONLY standard....not one the progressives/liberals believe but one that independents and also some republicans believe

if you cant do that, you are just spinning your wheels, and spitting into the wind

Along those lines, it was not his job to do so and he was taken to task on it by Rep. John Ratcliffe who concluded his time with this.

“Respectfully, director, it was not the special counsel’s job to conclusively determine Donald Trump’s innocence or to exonerate him because the bedrock principle of our justice system is a presumption of innocence,” Ratcliffe said, raising his voice. “It exists for everyone. Everyone is entitled to it — including sitting presidents.”

Ratcliffe continued: “You didn’t follow the special counsel regulations. It clearly says write a confidential report about decisions reached. Nowhere in here does it say write a report about decisions that weren’t reached.”

Mueller maintained that he did not answer the question of whether Trump engaged in criminal activity because of Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel opinions that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

The lawmaker argued that the second part of the report, which detailed 10 instances of potential obstruction by Trump, was written “in violation of every DOJ principle about extra-prosecutorial commentary.”

“I agree with Chairman [Jerry] Nadler this morning when he said Donald Trump is not above the law,” Ratcliffe said. “But he damn sure should not be below the law, which is where Volume II of this report puts him.”

You can read the rest here, or even watch the entire video of his exchange here:

Mueller grilled on conclusions about ‘exoneration’

 

[Integrityrespec]

oh, bull****

Shrewd rebuttal. I'm sure you would find fault if the tag democrat/republican were reversed.

 

[Ikari]

gack! :doh You actually voted for Gary Johnson? :beam:

Hell yeah. Much better choice than Hillary or Trump. He wasn't ideal, but man was he the far better choice.

 

[vegas giants]

first and foremost...

you have to have a CRIME

where is the CRIME...a proveable CRIME

can you prove the president committed a crime...legally...it is a yes or no answer

if no, then this has all been a clown show

if yes, then the democrats have a duty to put their case on in the house....

but, and the big but, if there case is weak ass crap, the american people will eat them alive come Nov 2020....

that is the issue...so is there a crime, and can they prove it?

The answer is yes. Obstruction of justice

 

[ocean515]

Your vote is not meaningless. You have the freedom to vote your conscience without confidence. The swing state voters are held hostsge to hold thier noses and vote pragmatically. You have the freedom to vote as an idealist.

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Fair enough. Pointless would be a better word.

 

[Irwin Corey]

The Republicans burned his ass down.

Well … NO! But, obviously, that was their goal and their one and ONLY goal. The "r's" had the singular goal of discrediting Mueller and weren't the least interested in his findings, how he arrived at them or, most importantly, … the truth.

 

[vegas giants]

He won't be charged with ****. It doesn't matter that he obstructed, tampered, or suborned perjury. He won't be charged. I think that people need to accept the reality of the situation. Trump will not be charged.

Based on what? He committed a crime....charge him the day he gets out of office

 

[jmotivator]

CNN may be down to friends and family members by the election.:lol:

Their ratings drop when a cameraman takes a bathroom break. :lamo

 

[tres borrachos]

did anyone prove guilt?

forget proving innocence....did someone PROVE GUILT beyond a reasonable doubt that the american people will abide by....

that is the standard....the ONLY standard....not one the progressives/liberals believe but one that independents and also some republicans believe

if you cant do that, you are just spinning your wheels, and spitting into the wind

No more than anyone proved guilt when it came to Hillary Clinton. But the spectre of guilt damaged her irreparably. This is about politics, not trials.

Did the Democrats deliver doubt about Trump with this hearing today? No question. Is Trump really guilty? I'm not a lawyer and won't pretend to know. Was this a win for either side today? Yes and no. Both sides can claim some victory here. Now it all depends on how each side uses it.

 

[smallvoice]

Since it's on CNN, it must be fake news according to Trump. :lamo

Since it's on CNN it is fake news. Haven't you been watching the crap they float as "news"?

 

[smallvoice]

Republicans have decided to make this hearing about: immigration. :lol:

Apparently, immigration is what the American people are interested in. This s***show is just that.

 

[jmotivator]

Trump may kill himself before he gets sent to prison

Your dreams of violence are what they call in Vegas a "tell". :lamo

 

[tres borrachos]

Based on what? He committed a crime....charge him the day he gets out of office

They could charge him the day he leaves office, but they won't. Any more than the Trump fans will see their fantasies of watching Clinton and Obama get charged with crimes.

The only thing that matters at this point is how this impacts Trump at the ballot boxes in 2020.

 

[trixare4kids]

Democrats completely obliterated Trump today. He will be found guilty of obstruction of justice with at least three separate instances of obstruction, witness tampering and suborning perjury.

I'm not sure what hearing you were watching today.
What the hearing showed is that Mueller was in charge of the witch hunt in name only.

 

[Ikari]

Based on what? He committed a crime....charge him the day he gets out of office

Once he's out of office, the Dems won't give two ****s about him. He's done and it's over with. Plus neither side wants to open the can of worms that is criminal accountability. No way, no how. Too many of them on both sides have done shady ass ****, and too many on both sides want to keep doing shady ass ****. There would have to be remarkable crime and evidence for either party to actually pursue criminal charges against one of their own.

No, what they want is the headline, what they want are the talking points, what they want is to be able to point fingers. That's it. The Dems can use this while Trump is in office to reduce the efficiency of his administration and to challenge him on just about everything. Once he's not in office, there's nothing left to gain from it. It goes away.

Trump will not be charged.

 

[smallvoice]

The Mueller Report has exactly nothing to do with immigration, healthcare, jobs, trade, deficits, wars, or anything else that's an issue on America's mind. Surely the Republicans are not that stupid and don't know why they are there today.

Well put! The Mueller Report has exactly nothing to do with immigration, healthcare, jobs, trade, deficits, wars, or anything else that's an issue on America's mind. We know full well why we are there: to give liberals another bite at the apple.

 

[Irwin Corey]

He won't be charged with ****. It doesn't matter that he obstructed, tampered, or suborned perjury. He won't be charged. I think that people need to accept the reality of the situation. Trump will not be charged.

I think that pretty much sums up the Republican view; "tRumps a ****ing criminal and there's not a god-damn thing you can do about it … naner, naner, naner".

Maybe … maybe not. But, what really matters is the Republican position of defending a criminal president and mooning every AmeriCAN that doesn't agree with them is on record … now. We'll se how that plays out next year … won't we.

 

[tres borrachos]

Well put! The Mueller Report has exactly nothing to do with immigration, healthcare, jobs, trade, deficits, wars, or anything else that's an issue on America's mind. We know full well why we are there: to give liberals another bite at the apple.

Not sure why you quoted me and posted this.

 

[smallvoice]

I wonder how many Americans know the meaning of the word "exculpated".

I wonder how many Americans know the meaning of the phrase "waste of time".

 

[vegas giants]

Once he's out of office, the Dems won't give two ****s about him. He's done and it's over with. Plus neither side wants to open the can of worms that is criminal accountability. No way, no how. Too many of them on both sides have done shady ass ****, and too many on both sides want to keep doing shady ass ****. There would have to be remarkable crime and evidence for either party to actually pursue criminal charges against one of their own.

No, what they want is the headline, what they want are the talking points, what they want is to be able to point fingers. That's it. The Dems can use this while Trump is in office to reduce the efficiency of his administration and to challenge him on just about everything. Once he's not in office, there's nothing left to gain from it. It goes away.

Trump will not be charged.

We shall see. Trump made a lot of enemies

 

[apdst]

Well … NO! But, obviously, that was their goal and their one and ONLY goal. The "r's" had the singular goal of discrediting Mueller and weren't the least interested in his findings, how he arrived at them or, most importantly, … the truth.

Of course it was their goal, to prove that the investigation was bull****, which it was.

Mueller discredited himself.

 

[poweRob]

Well, because he is a doddering boob. He doesn't doesn't even know his own report. Doesn't know who FusionGPS is? Are you kidding me?

Face it, Democrats walked in with nothing and it showed.

Yeah. No.

I know you see this as a competition and you probably wrote all this I'm victorious and dems are losers posts yesterday so your actual opinion on all this only goes to show that you didn't watch any of it.

 

[apdst]

Democrats completely obliterated Trump today. He will be found guilty of obstruction of justice with at least three separate instances of obstruction, witness tampering and suborning perjury.

All they did was repeat months old talking points.

 

[Ikari]

I think that pretty much sums up the Republican view; "tRumps a ****ing criminal and there's not a god-damn thing you can do about it … naner, naner, naner".

Maybe … maybe not. But, what really matters is the Republican position of defending a criminal president and mooning every AmeriCAN that doesn't agree with them is on record … now. We'll se how that plays out next year … won't we.

Both R and D will fight to protect their brands. The Dems would just as quickly defend a criminal if they wore the D.

 

[AProudLefty]

Since it's on CNN it is fake news. Haven't you been watching the crap they float as "news"?

People keep saying that and yet they never point to a SINGLE example of fake news.