Lindsey Graham Tells Us in Advance That He Will Be Lying Under Oath

[ecofarm]

There is more bipartisanship against impeachment than for it.

So it is bipartisan, right?

 

[HumblePi]

Because that would be like asking the co-conspirators to investigate their buddies.

That's assuming that thousands and thousands of men and women that are committed to our national security are conspirators. That would also mean that our 'five eyes', Australia, Canada, New Zealand and UK are also co-conspirators with the thousands of men and women in our intelligence agencies. Yeah, that sounds like Trump-logic.

 

[PeacefulPartier]

That's assuming that thousands and thousands of men and women that are committed to our national security are conspirators. That would also mean that our 'five eyes', Australia, Canada, New Zealand and UK are also co-conspirators with the thousands of men and women in our intelligence agencies. Yeah, that sounds like Trump-logic.

*Sigh*

He asked why we didn't ask Ukraine for help before 2018. Our people, Austrailia, New Zealand, et al are not Ukraine. And we have been working on it. It just wasn't known publicly.

 

[HumblePi]

Because that would be like asking the co-conspirators to investigate their buddies.

Because that would be like asking the co-conspirators to investigate their buddies.

I will ask the same question again. Maybe I'll get an answer eventually.

Why didn't Trump withhold aid in 2018? Why didn't Trump ask Ukraine, "do us a favor though", in 2018?

 

[digitusmedius]

Warren, Sanders, Booker and Harris are going to be impartial? Um...:lamo

Well, since there will be no new evidence presented or witness testimony, as per McConnell fiat, they'll have to use the vast amount of evidence of criminality that went uncontested (and I don't mean that Republicans didn't piss and moan about it but they presented zero exculpatory evidence or witness testimony. This is going to be a reverse show-trial with the defendant declared not guilty in advance of the charade.

 

[apdst]

Well, since there will be no new evidence presented or witness testimony, as per McConnell fiat, they'll have to use the vast amount of evidence of criminality that went uncontested (and I don't mean that Republicans didn't piss and moan about it but they presented zero exculpatory evidence or witness testimony. This is going to be a reverse show-trial with the defendant declared not guilty in advance of the charade.

Thanks for admitting that the impeachment process put forth by the Democrats has been a dog-and-pony show.

 

[digitusmedius]

Sure, you can rail about the Republicans not being impartial, but what about the Democrats? They certainly aren’t impartial either. They’re trouncing at the bit to vote guilty for removal. Their minds already made up before the trial begins. So too, the Republicans. Neither side can be impartial. Not when approximately 90% of democrats are in favor of impeachment and removal vs. 90% of Republicans against.

This is nothing new, during Bill Clinton’s trial each senator had already made up their mind also before the trial began. No impartiality there either. There may be two, three, four senators that will weigh the evidence given, then decide which way to vote. But for the rest, minds are closed to whatever evidence is given, their vote pre-determined ahead of time. For the rest, presenting evidence and witnesses is irrelevant, Republican and Democratic.

In our polarized and ultra-high partisan political world, we live in, it’s no surprise one side can’t see their side isn’t impartial at all, but expects the other side to be.

I'm trying to figure out a metaphor I've never seen before: "trouncing at the bit." (????) So, you're sure that all Dems will vote for conviction? This trial could have been a chance for Dirtbag to present at least some evidence, other than just his usual rage rants, that he really didn't do what we can all see he did. Or, at least the Republicans might have wanted to try to do that. Dirtbag ordered everyone in the government not to testify--why would he do that if there might have been someone who could clear him (we know the answer to that one).

 

[digitusmedius]

Yes of course he was, he wanted to continue getting aid.

Why did he set a time on CNN to announce the investigation, then canceled when trump got caught???

He must have been the most relieved politician on the planet on that day. He never wanted to do this and he stalled as long as he could and it paid off for him.

 

[apdst]

Oh, I see what you're saying. And yeah I actually agree with you. Any senator who has already announced their inability to be impartial should be recused.

Goddamn, how many posts did that take?

 

[digitusmedius]

Which article of impeachment was "extortion" again? I never saw the democrats present any evidence of it during their inquiries.

Speaking of the inquiries, what happened to the bribery charge the democrats kept saying Trump was guilty of? Which article of impeachment number is that one?

How about the "obstruction of justice" they swore Trump engaged in and said was absolutely proven based on the Mueller report? Surely that's one of the articles of impeachment... What article number was that one again?

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There is no article regarding "extortion." The two articles are based on "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress."

 

[apdst]

No, Vindman wanted to make changes to the Memo of Telcon (not a transcript) that were not allowed. He claims the omissions that he wanted to correct ARE accurate and Jennifer Williams had a similar view.

Suuuuuure they were. :lamo

Vindman is looking at an indictment. He'd **** a snake right now, if he thought it would help.

 

[ludin]

That is your opinion and has no evidence of it being fact. That is not the reason Trump is being impeached and you know it. He has broken his oath and will continue to break it if he is not removed because he is corrupt to the core and always has been. That is on you for helping elect him. And if by some chance you help re-elect him be ready for 4 more years of investigations and impeachment inquiries. Congress will never let up on their duty to be oversight over the President....never. Our Republic demands and depends on that.

A totally it is the reason he is being impeached.
Needless to say it is back firing with the public big time.

 

[ludin]

So it is bipartisan, right?

Yep against impeachment.

 

[ecofarm]

Yep against impeachment.

You claimed pro impeachment is bipartisan. Read your post.

 

[digitusmedius]

It may not be what they want to do, but it is what they should do. I march to my own drum. I don't need any personality or politician to tell me what to think. That is why I am conservative. If I needed other people to tell me what to think or how to live I'd be progressive.

Of all the delusions of the Cult of Trump that is the most comical.

Maybe because the interview was no longer necessary.

Why, in your mind, would that be?

Let me ask you this skippy, if Biden did extort the former Ukrainian President, how should Trump and Barr go about asking Ukraine for help in an investigation? Oh,

There's a formal process for our DoJ to request information on possible illegal acts committed by Americans in foreign countries--of course, if those acts didn't violate any US law there'd be no reason to get that cooperation.

and what about the OMB review that eventually justified the aid being sent? Do you think all aid should be allocated regardless of its effectiveness?

Since there was never an official OMB rational for withholding the aid that question indicates a new tack for lying about this whole sordid mess. In fact, before the aid was originally approved the Pentagon had cleared Ukraine to receive it:
Pentagon Letter Undercuts Trump Assertion On Delaying Aid To Ukraine Over Corruption : NPR
So, any implication that there was some valid reason for ****bag to unilaterally withhold that aid is totally false. There's also a process to follow if a President has made a decision to withhold foreign military aid, especially vital aid as was the case with Ukraine. The Impoundment Control Act requires a President to notify Congress if he's going to withhold approprations and your Dirtbag completely ignored that requirement for the obvious reason that his only reason to do so was for his own personal political gain.

 

[digitusmedius]

Suuuuuure they were. :lamo

Vindman is looking at an indictment. He'd **** a snake right now, if he thought it would help.

Oh, man that is High Cultism at its "best." Which outlets of the Cult's Pukefunnel of Delusions are pumping that sewage out?

 

[Grim17]

There is no article regarding "extortion." The two articles are based on "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress."

Why not? I though Trump was guilty of that?

I also thought, according to the democrats and those on the left, that Trump was guilty of bribery and obstruction of justice... So where are those articles?

 

[jnug]

Suuuuuure they were. :lamo

Vindman is looking at an indictment. He'd **** a snake right now, if he thought it would help.

Yea they were.

Everybody not a Trumpette is subject to possible Indictment by the Barr DOJ. Eventually that will turn out to be badge of honor. too bad Cpr Bone Spurs does not have any badges of honor.

 

[apdst]

Yea they were.

Everybody not a Trumpette is subject to possible Indictment by the Barr DOJ. Eventually that will turn out to be badge of honor. too bad Cpr Bone Spurs does not have any badges of honor.

Just the ones who are guilty.

 

[digitusmedius]

Why not? I though Trump was guilty of that?

I also thought, according to the democrats and those on the left, that Trump was guilty of bribery and obstruction of justice... So where are those articles?

You obviously pay more attention to cult rumors than reality.

 

[digitusmedius]

Just the ones who are guilty.

In your cult world the terms "guilty" and "innocent" have been reversed.

 

[apdst]

In your cult world the terms "guilty" and "innocent" have been reversed.

You mean like "Russia collusion"? You might want to get a grip.

 

[PeacefulPartier]

Of all the delusions of the Cult of Trump that is the most comical.




Why, in your mind, would that be?

There's a formal process for our DoJ to request information on possible illegal acts committed by Americans in foreign countries--of course, if those acts didn't violate any US law there'd be no reason to get that cooperation.
Since there was never an official OMB rational for withholding the aid that question indicates a new tack for lying about this whole sordid mess. In fact, before the aid was originally approved the Pentagon had cleared Ukraine to receive it:
Pentagon Letter Undercuts Trump Assertion On Delaying Aid To Ukraine Over Corruption : NPR
So, any implication that there was some valid reason for ****bag to unilaterally withhold that aid is totally false. There's also a process to follow if a President has made a decision to withhold foreign military aid, especially vital aid as was the case with Ukraine. The Impoundment Control Act requires a President to notify Congress if he's going to withhold approprations and your Dirtbag completely ignored that requirement for the obvious reason that his only reason to do so was for his own personal political gain.

Actually, there was an official reason: Military aid to Ukraine: White House budget office justifies freeze in new letter - CBS News

And, per treaty 12978, the President is obligated to coordinate with Ukraine in investigations between the DOJ and Ukraine. Ukraine (12978) - Treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters - United States Department of State

The facts are not on your side haus.

 

[Grim17]

You obviously pay more attention to cult rumors than reality.

Cult rumors... Really?

The leaders of the "cult" you speak of, also happen to be the leaders and outspoken members of the democrat party.



Here's cult leader Nancy Pelosi accusing Trump of bribery:
YouTube

Here we have cult leader Adam Schiff accusing Trump of bribery:
YouTube

If you would like me to post more videos of more leftist cult members, just say so.

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[iguanaman]

Just the ones who are guilty.

Guilty of being an enemy of Trump. Those are the only people who Trump wants to punish. Real lawbreakers can rejoice.