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Like It or Not, Here's the Truth

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I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

Wow. You are a brave man.
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

All kinds of problems with this. Just taking the first post off the top, that doesn't really explain why all creatures eventually go extinct, why the planet frequently (in geological terms) kills off practically everything on it, and why solar systems themselves eventually die.

Nature doesn't care about life at all. Nature is not sentient. No sentient being would have put our fun bits next to our sewage, or tried to squeeze more teeth into our heads than we actually have room for. And if it were sentient and cared for life on Earth at all, it wouldn't have rounded up and killed the vast majority of life that has ever existed on Earth. The universe seems pretty ambivalent about the existence of humans, or any other life for that matter.

Even if that were true, Catholicism is hardly the only religion to believe that somehow naked apes are of some kind of divine importance to the universe itself. Nearly all of them do. What would make one pick Catholicism over all the other religions that believe that?

And as regards your OP, the more we abandon "traditional" morality (which in reality is much younger than most of our societies), the healthier and more peaceful the world becomes. I see no evidence that "traditionalism" benefits anyone except the plutocrats who decide what the most recent tradition is, to the detriment of education, medicine, and self-determination for everyone else.
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

Finally! Another poster like me!
 
Blood moon tomorrow with a lunar eclipse. End times are here! :2dance:

I neither know nor care what you're talking about.

I'm just glad that I'm no longer the only open Catholic theocrat on this board.
 
I neither know nor care what you're talking about.

I'm just glad that I'm no longer the only open Catholic theocrat on this board.

I was making a joke although if you have to explain it, it is no longer funny. Do "Catholic Theocrats" have a sense of humor?
 
All kinds of problems with this. Just taking the first post off the top, that doesn't really explain why all creatures eventually go extinct, why the planet frequently (in geological terms) kills off practically everything on it, and why solar systems themselves eventually die.

Irrelevant. All living things are precisely oriented towards their own survival and reproduction, which is itself a purpose. That there is death does not negate that one cannot even discuss living organisms without speaking of their purpose.

And if it were sentient and cared for life on Earth at all, it wouldn't have rounded up and killed the vast majority of life that has ever existed on Earth.

First of all, refer to above: The purpose of living and spreading life is still impossible to deny, death or no. Second, the fact that life has continued for billions of years would indicate, even apart from what I already wrote, a high probability of some sort of sustaining entity. Hindus call it Vishnu. I call it God.

Even if that were true, Catholicism is hardly the only religion to believe that somehow naked apes are of some kind of divine importance to the universe itself. Nearly all of them do.

I mentioned nothing about humans being of special importance. It is true, once the Catholic faith is embraced, but my premise involved all life, not just people.

What would make one pick Catholicism over all the other religions that believe that?

Because it's the only one to expound fully on natural law and the culture of life as the basis of morality. Other Christian denominations borrowed the idea to varying degrees, but none follow it to its logical conclusion as Catholicism does.

And as regards your OP, the more we abandon "traditional" morality (which in reality is much younger than most of our societies), the healthier and more peaceful the world becomes. I see no evidence that "traditionalism" benefits anyone except the plutocrats who decide what the most recent tradition is, to the detriment of education, medicine, and self-determination for everyone else.

Since the "Enlightenment", we've had unprecedented bloodshed that includes two world wars, totalitarian regimes (most of them secular) responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths, and, as secularism has progressed (like a disease), we've had dramatic increases in suicide and such distressing phenomena as serial and spree murder. A corporate plutocracy, moreover, dominates in a way not seen in the West since the Ancient Romans, who were the last pre-Christian culture in the West, showing that greed too is increased by secularism, especially since people live (and consume) for the moment when they believe in no Heaven, and belief in honesty and dignity in advertising disappears with the fear of Hell. Where there is no Catholic prohibition on them, fornication and divorce are commonplace, resulting in teen mothers, abortions and broken homes. The family has broken down in the secular era on a scale it never saw even among the pre-Christian pagans.

Technology has increased with time, which hearkens back to said inherent purpose, but those who have put it to good (rather than evil) uses have almost always been men and women of faith, though admittedly not always Catholics. Those, however, who believe that human beings are random assemblages of particles that came from and return to the dirt seldom feel inspired to do what those who believe in man in God's image do.
 
Irrelevant. All living things are precisely oriented towards their own survival and reproduction, which is itself a purpose. That there is death does not negate that one cannot even discuss living organisms without speaking of their purpose.

You're missing the point. This has nothing to do with the life cycle of a given creature.

What I am saying is that all living things eventually fail en masse at surviving and reproducing, thus becoming extinct. Nature seems to suggest there is no purpose to living things, thus why they all eventually fail.

First of all, refer to above: The purpose of living and spreading life is still impossible to deny, death or no. Second, the fact that life has continued for billions of years would indicate, even apart from what I already wrote, a high probability of some sort of sustaining entity. Hindus call it Vishnu. I call it God.

A billion years is a fraction of a blink of an eye in the terms of the universe. So what?

Because it's the only one to expound fully on natural law and the culture of life as the basis of morality. Other Christian denominations borrowed the idea to varying degrees, but none follow it to its logical conclusion as Catholicism does.

That's laughable. :lol: All religions -- Christian or otherwise -- have their own idea of "natural law" and "morality."

Since the "Enlightenment", we've had unprecedented bloodshed that includes two world wars, totalitarian regimes (most of them secular) responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths, and, as secularism has progressed (like a disease), we've had dramatic increases in suicide and such distressing phenomena as serial and spree murder. A corporate plutocracy, moreover, dominates in a way not seen in the West since the Ancient Romans, who were the last pre-Christian culture in the West, showing that greed too is increased by secularism, especially since people live (and consume) for the moment when they believe in no Heaven, and belief in honesty and dignity in advertising disappear with the fear of Hell. Where there is no Catholic prohibition on them, fornication and divorce are commonplace, resulting in teen mothers, abortions and broken homes. The family has broken down in the secular era on a scale it never saw even among the pre-Christian pagans.

Technology has increased with time, which hearkens back to said inherent purpose, but those who have put it to good (rather than evil) uses have almost always been men and women of faith, though admittedly not always Catholics. Those, however, who believe that human beings are random assemblages of particles that came from and return to the dirt seldom feel inspired to do what those who believe in man in God's image do.

That actually isn't true. In total, the amount of violence in the world as a whole has been falling, century by century.

It's remarkable that we even care about a totalitarian regime these days. That used to be all sociteties on earth -- including the heyday of your religion, which is still pretty totalitarian even now, lagging behind the secular developed secular world in many ways.

That you have the luxury of caring about teen mothers is also remarkable. Women used to be sold into basically marital slavery in their early teens -- including by your religion.

Fornication has always been common, and so has separation. We just allow people to talk about it without cutting their heads off now.

If it is true that only the religious are "good," then explain to me why the more secular a country is and the fewer religious people it has, the better, more peacefully, and more intellectual its society is. All of the top countries of the developed world by metrics of crime, health, poverty, education, etc, are at least half non-religious, and many are majority non-religious.

Religion halts morality at the level that most 4-year-olds are at. Morality based on punishment and reward. Selfish motives.

Humanity permitted to grow up fully eventually arrives at morality for its own sake, because we are social and empathetic beings, and life is better when we behave it. We get dramatically better results that way. If the judge is yourself looking in the mirror, you can't just blame someone in the sky for telling you it's ok to commit atrocities, such as a god that has condoned slavery, rape, and torture, often for minor offences. Your reflection will disagree.
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

Your blog topic "Abortion Could Kill Us" and your opinion is ages old. It's the pro-life mantra that's been sung since the beginning of many religions.

If you paid attention to published statistics over recent years - coming from both government and private organizations - every year abortion rates decline. Why? Accelerating birth control technologies and sex education are paying off. In the not to distant future there will be microchips available that will be implanted under the skin and control the production of various hormones that manage ovulation. It will last up to 15 years and will be programmable to be turned on and off at will. Like all major technology discoveries - they seem to get better and emerge much faster.

Aside of that...

There's absolutely no evidence that abortion has, is, or ever will have a negative effect on humanity. You've opined the opposite, so feel free to share with us what legitimate sources you used to arrive at such a claim.
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

Just out of curiosity, are you opposed to the taking of human life under any circumstances?
 
That's laughable. :lol: All religions -- Christian or otherwise -- have their own idea of "natural law" and "morality."

Morality, yes, but not fully developed natural law integrated with a moral system based exclusively upon it. Every Catholic moral doctrine, as matters stand, is designed to preserve life and the social structures on which it depends.

In total, the amount of violence in the world as a whole has been falling, century by century.

As commonly cited a source as Wikipedia could show the absurdity of that statement. Look up American homicide rates in historical context, for instance.

It's remarkable that we even care about a totalitarian regime these days. That used to be all sociteties on earth...

Actually, the very concept of totalitarianism was entirely absent in the West prior to the Enlightenment you probably laud (The French Revolutionary government was the first). Totalitarianism doesn't just mean a ruler whose word is law; it means the effort of the governing power to control each and every behavior and idea, even when doing so is impractical.

-- including the heyday of your religion, which is still pretty totalitarian even now, lagging behind the secular developed secular world in many ways.

Actually, Catholicism and totalitarianism are mutually exclusive. For totalitarianism to exist, there has to be a dictator or ruling elite who believe they are entitled to do anything. A Catholic ruler would believe that mass murder, for instance, would place him in Hell.

That you have the luxury of caring about teen mothers is also remarkable. Women used to be sold into basically marital slavery in their early teens -- including by your religion.

Nothing Catholic ever "sold" women or girls, and the only slaves Catholic nations ever had were of non-white races, which is deplorable and hypocritical, but worsened (the Gulag and the Nazi concentration camps) based on purely secular ideas. What's more, Catholic clergy almost always opposed the abuse of native peoples. It was the worldly folk, after gold, who perpetrated such deeds.

Fornication has always been common...

That wouldn't even be possible. Without artificial contraception, widespread fornication would have led to widespread pregnancy and thereby to widespread abortion, which would have been fatal on a species-endangering scale to women had it been "common".

and so has separation.

Again, that wouldn't even have been possible. Women could not have supported themselves in medieval times, for instance, without husbands, and no man could have been a single father, with the amount of labor he needed to put in, without a wife to nurture the children.

If it is true that only the religious are "good," then explain to me why the more secular a country is and the fewer religious people it has, the better, more peacefully, and more intellectual its society is. All of the top countries of the developed world by metrics of crime, health, poverty, education, etc, are at least half non-religious, and many are majority non-religious.

Your notion of "intellectual" as good is amusing, because it's intellectuals who unfailingly bring about the greatest ruin (Marx and the Aryan Supremacy theorists of the 19th century were intellectuals, for instance). As for the rest of it, you're apparently unfamiliar with the sexual assault rate in Sweden or the suicide rate in Japan, to cite two examples. Moreover, other than Communist nations, in which professing atheism is mandatory, the only country with half or more of the people non-religious is Japan, so unless you're saying that China and North Korea are at the forefront of said statistics, I would say you must read nothing but atheist propaganda.

Crime is most common in impoverished areas, BUT when countries do become wealthy and then also become less religious (which is by no means cause and effect), their crime rate goes up and their families break apart, which leads to a disintegration in all the other metrics you mention.
 
Religion halts morality at the level that most 4-year-olds are at. Morality based on punishment and reward. Selfish motives.

The self is inherently valuable. That's something collectivists fail to realize.

Humanity permitted to grow up fully eventually arrives at morality for its own sake...

The only fully atheistic societies have been Communist ones. If you know history, you know they have had a near-complete absence of empathy.

If the judge is yourself looking in the mirror, you can't just blame someone in the sky for telling you it's ok to commit atrocities...

The Catholic God has never told me to commit atrocities.

such as a god that has condoned slavery, rape, and torture, often for minor offences...

Rape is not condoned anywhere in the Bible, and stoning (which could be seen as torture along with execution) was allowed only when it was the lesser of evils: In other words, pre-Christian people were tribal brutes, so it was either extreme punishment or universal crime. Jesus forbade revenge and stopped a stoning. Slavery was not condoned per se in the New Testament, but rather Christians were told to accept it as a sort of life of martyrdom, and everything in the Old Testament must be taken in the context, as Jesus said, of the hardness of hearts in those days. Pagan societies were worse, that is, and Old Testament law was an improvement over what the other tribes did.
 
Just out of curiosity, are you opposed to the taking of human life under any circumstances?

Not if the person is guilty of certain extreme crimes that are also grievous sins, and this is perfectly consistent because it involves a voluntary decision to commit such acts by the perpetrator, whereas being conceived, like being of a particular race, is not a decision made by the person who is victimized on such a basis.
 
If you paid attention to published statistics over recent years - coming from both government and private organizations - every year abortion rates decline.

I'm entirely aware that, for the most part, abortion rates in America have declined for about 35 years.

Why? Accelerating birth control technologies and sex education are paying off.

No, it's because of the revival of the Christian faith in the 1980's. Abortion rates in America peaked around 1980 and declined even during the 1990's because secularists were never fully able to make Americans forget Christ or, for that matter, forget the AIDS epidemic that the sex and drugs culture of the 1970's caused.


There's absolutely no evidence that abortion has, is, or ever will have a negative effect on humanity. You've opined the opposite, so feel free to share with us what legitimate sources you used to arrive at such a claim.

I would call killing hundreds of millions of babies negative, but apparently you don't. Moreover, while correlation does not prove causation, the first nation to legalize abortion in modern times was the Soviet Union, which is also the regime probably responsible for more postnatal murders than any other. When lives are statistics towards a collective goal, life is cheapened.
 
I am aware, of course, that this involves abortion and issues of morality without specific reference to religion, except in the most recent entry, but I thought it fit best in this section of the forum. There is no secular source (I am not clergy) of any sort that will sum up everything that the 21st century person needs to know as much as these four blog posts. Better would be the Bible, the Nicene Creed and so on, but I'm not here to "preach to the converted", but rather to demonstrate the logical necessity of both Roman Catholic Christianity and traditional morality to those who are, up to this point, unconvinced of it:

itmustbesaid85

You're linking to your own blog, and insisting that your opinions are the truth. That's pretty narcissistic.
 
1. That wouldn't even be possible. Without artificial contraception, widespread fornication would have led to widespread pregnancy and thereby to widespread abortion, which would have been fatal on a species-endangering scale to women had it been "common".

2. Again, that wouldn't even have been possible. Women could not have supported themselves in medieval times, for instance, without husbands, and no man could have been a single father, with the amount of labor he needed to put in, without a wife to nurture the children.

3. Your notion of "intellectual" as good is amusing, because it's intellectuals who unfailingly bring about the greatest ruin (Marx and the Aryan Supremacy theorists of the 19th century were intellectuals, for instance). As for the rest of it, you're apparently unfamiliar with the sexual assault rate in Sweden or the suicide rate in Japan, to cite two examples. Moreover, other than Communist nations, in which professing atheism is mandatory, the only country with half or more of the people non-religious is Japan, so unless you're saying that China and North Korea are at the forefront of said statistics, I would say you must read nothing but atheist propaganda.

Crime is most common in impoverished areas, BUT when countries do become wealthy and then also become less religious (which is by no means cause and effect), their crime rate goes up and their families break apart, which leads to a disintegration in all the other metrics you mention.

Whew, what an eyesore. I'm dropping everything that was so ludicrously ridiculous that anyone who isn't coming at it from your position would double-take to see if you really claimed that. I know your mind won't be changed regardless of reality, so whatever.

1. Fertility in humans used to be naturally regulated by diet, endurance-fit bodies, breastfeeding, and early contraceptive measures. Tribal women only became pregnant every 5 to 10 years, and usually only wound up with 2 to 4 children over their lifetime despite living past menopause. Women had sex often -- in some tribes, daily -- and still didn't become pregnant frequently.

Agriculture changed a lot about us physiologically, and these days girls hit puberty 5 years earlier than they used to and have too much body fat to have any self-regulating ability (even the thin ones, who are comparatively less fit). Birth control has simply restored our natural fertility rhythm.

Beyond that, people continued to fornicate and abort despite the risks. Abortion has existed in every society on earth since prehistory. In fact, there is strong evidence that our evolutionary line has been aborting since before humans ever existed. There are other Great Apes that we have learned also know how to abort using plants.

Every species has a way of reducing unwanted reproduction if they become pregnant at a non-ideal time. Humans are no exception. So I would suggest you actually learn something about anthropology before making these claims.

2. Not a pleasant way, no, yet some did anyway. But you're forgetting times other than Mediaeval times existed. Women usually died from being bred to death in Medieval times, so it's kind of moot.

3. Then why are all the best places on earth by every metric of wellness entirely secular in their governance, and markedly secular in their population as well? No, I'm talking about about the West.

You can claim whatever nonsense you want, but the stats are what they are. Religiously governed places are generally miserable hellholes.
 
ItMustBeSaid85 wrote:




Rape is not condoned anywhere in the Bible

Yes it is.


, and stoning (which could be seen as torture along with execution) was allowed only when it was the lesser of evils:

No, it wasn't.


Slavery was not condoned per se in the New Testament,

It most assuredly was condoned in the New Testament.


Why are you suggesting all these easily disputed things?
 
I'm entirely aware that, for the most part, abortion rates in America have declined for about 35 years.



No, it's because of the revival of the Christian faith in the 1980's. Abortion rates in America peaked around 1980 and declined even during the 1990's because secularists were never fully able to make Americans forget Christ or, for that matter, forget the AIDS epidemic that the sex and drugs culture of the 1970's caused.




I would call killing hundreds of millions of babies negative, but apparently you don't. Moreover, while correlation does not prove causation, the first nation to legalize abortion in modern times was the Soviet Union, which is also the regime probably responsible for more postnatal murders than any other. When lives are statistics towards a collective goal, life is cheapened.

Pardon my Texan, but the above highlighted in large red letters...IS TOTAL BULL****! NO BABIES WERE KILLED! Abortions don't kill BABIES.

How many people have been killed/murdered collectively since the dawn of humanity? Does government executions cheapen life? Does sending men into battle cheapen life?

I honestly don't care about YOUR OPINION as to why you think that abortion has somehow impacted humanity. No, it hasn't. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Give me hardcore facts and stats that backs up that claim.

In the 1300's ONE-THIRD OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION WAS WIPED OUT from the Bubonic Plague. Humanity recovered very nicely, thank you very much. Over the the course of two World Wars some 80 million military and civilians lives VANISHED - and yet, humanity recovered very nicely.

So now you want to play "fortune teller" or soothsayer and pretend you know what all of those millions of killed babies would have contributed to humanity in such a profound way that NOW were gonna become extinct from those deaths. GEZZZZUS GAWD, what a fricking claim that is. :doh This is the kind of nonsense that sends me over the edge because you would have to know what the impact on humanity has been, is, or will be based on every kind of death a human can experience. You don't have a clue as to how the impact on humanity is from young children who die from cancer every year. Or who starve to death every year. Or children who die every year from having a lack of clean water.

In the end, you're just another MAN who can't get pregnant. Who has never, won't, or ever have to face the issues related to unwanted pregnancy. You're just a guy who has been sucked into a dogma that teaches you to cheapen the value of women. Born persons are way more valuable than the unborn. The unborn require the born to have some common sense when it comes to reproduction and prolferaterating the species. Otherwise things could be a hell of alot worse.

There is a Amazon tribe in a remote place in the jungle who understand what I just said above. They have created a rule that serves as both a form of birth control and a way to protect resources for the greater good of the tribe. The rule is women can only have two children. If a woman has a third child. The maternal grandmother or nearest female from the maternal side must take the baby to a special place along the river near their village and drown the baby. She then gives the baby a spiritual funeral. While that seems to be very uncivilized to us in the United State...it is VITAL TO THEIR SURVIVAL.

But I see that your sanctimonious beliefs are going to condemn these people as murders. But so be it. We live in a beautiful world, but it can be dangerous. It can be cruel. It can be unfair. It can be fatal. But not a single living life form is exempt from just how it is in the world. And that includes embryos and early stage fetuses. <<<----those are the stages of development in which over 95% of the abortions are performed. They don't have any physical or mental development to know that they exist. They aren't piddle around contemplating what they wanna be when they grow up...or where they'll attend college...or if they'll get married or not...or how many kids that they'll have. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE for such stages of development to engage in those types of activities. So, please, spare us the dramatics.
 
I neither know nor care what you're talking about.

I'm just glad that I'm no longer the only open Catholic theocrat on this board.

Poor, poor, Paleocon. Born a few hundred years too late to force people to convert or die. Guess your bloodlust will have to wait.
 
Poor, poor, Paleocon. Born a few hundred years too late to force people to convert or die. Guess your bloodlust will have to wait.

Actually, a forced conversion is false and so not only does not save the soul of the person so coerced, but also endangers the soul of the perpetrator of the coercion, depending on the degree of the coercive person's understanding of said conversion's falseness.

As for the frenzied denials and meltdowns I see in a certain other post, I'll take that as "throwing in the towel" on all civil debate and count this bout won.
 
Actually, a forced conversion is false and so not only does not save the soul of the person so coerced, but also endangers the soul of the perpetrator of the coercion, depending on the degree of the coercive person's understanding of said conversion's falseness.

As for the frenzied denials and meltdowns I see in a certain other post, I'll take that as "throwing in the towel" on all civil debate and count this bout won.

A forced conversion is false, yet you want to use the government to force other sovereign individuals to obey your religion. The United States is not a theocracy and what you propose is completely antithetical to our constitution. If you really think you've "won", you're some kind of deluded.
 
A forced conversion is false, yet you want to use the government to force other sovereign individuals to obey your religion. The United States is not a theocracy and what you propose is completely antithetical to our constitution. If you really think you've "won", you're some kind of deluded.

I merely meant, first of all, that I won the debate against the meltdown you can read above (not you, but another poster). I would require not that everyone be Catholic, but rather that all schools and churches be Catholic. If an adult chose not to be Catholic, then they would be subject only to social exclusion, unless they were involved in the occult, in which case their faith would cease to be a private matter. Thus, the choice to be Catholic would, ultimately, be voluntarily despite strong encouragement in that direction. What I mean by a forced conversion is one in which a person, out of sheer terror, lies to his captor and claims to be converted when he is not, which I do not support in any circumstances, as no good is done by it.

As for the Constitution, it no longer has meaning because of Supreme Court and other federal distortions of it. I might respect it and even consider myself a constitutionalist IF liberals didn't play fast and loose with it and outright ignore large portions of it. Since they do, however, the Constitution is no longer a refuge and must be used as an expedient tool by those of us on the Right, just as it is by those on the Left.
 
I ain't religious at all dude, but this:

Abortion Could Kill Us All
At the core of the debate about abortion is the definition of personhood, and to make a simple matter simple, rather than pretend it to be complex, as is the wont of ethical relativists and postmodernists, it is a debate between those who belief that a genetically distinct human organism is a person, or whether mental awareness and the sensation of pain is required.

No "pro-choice" person, however fanatical, believes that the zygote, embryo or fetus is not a human. Rather, they believe that humanity does not convey personhood, which instead they believe to be a term given by weighing out society's interests in a collective sense.

But if humanity is not synonymous with personhood, what is personhood? There is not and never will be any coherent definition of this from abortion supporters, and therein lies the greatest danger of all. It is terrible enough that we are killing humans (defined as supposed non-persons), but varying arguments about physical attachment (conjoined twins could then kill each other), dependency ( postnatal children and the very elderly are dependent), mental capabilities (should we then kill the intellectually disabled?) or the experience of pain are used (then it's okay to kill someone if we do it painlessly?) all lead to an entirely subjective definition of "personhood", which means that either the majority or a ruling elite decides who lives and who dies.

This also applies to the destruction of "mistakes" in artificial fertilization and to embryonic stem cell research, which, of course, kills embryos. We can already see that pressure will be placed on the elderly not to be a "burden" to their families as assisted suicide gains support, and with our nation's medical budget strained to the breaking point, anyone ill or disabled will sooner or later be subject to being viewed as expendable for cost-cutting. Then, of course, there is the fact that the millions of humans killed through abortion desensitizes society to the core, so that empathy goes numb. With all of this, there is no reason to support abortion in any sense, or to support it being legal, as the survival of each and every one of us depends on the only objective standard of personhood: Fertilization to natural death.

Spot on fantastic!
 
Blood moon tomorrow with a lunar eclipse. End times are here! :2dance:

How's the Psychohistory going?

Anyway, I am once again reminded of a quote from the good professor, 'There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."'
 
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