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The emerging leadership is not the MB. They aren't even running a presidential candidate (Muslim Brotherhood: 'We are not seeking power' - CNN.com).
Exactly my point. What did Libya get? Libya got several speeches and "Gadaffi its time to step down" oh yea and they got a **** ton of cruise missiles! What did Syria get? A speech here and there.... What did the Saudis get? Naaa nothing we were silent on that one, DEAD SILENT on that one! What did Egypt get? Silence.. Sure a few talking points, but nothing serious... Sure we will support a "orderly transition to democracy" only if its done are way and we get our candidates up there...
Comes as no surprise to me either as Khadfy was well known for using Black Africans against the people of Libya. We don't know what is being done, but if they are rounding them up to send them home, I have absolutely no problem with that... Of course, you love Khadaffy, so of course you would oppose anyone who oppses them. How cares about freeing the Libyan... or Chinese... or any other people from an oppressive dictatorship...
No, the "we're smarter than you folks" said it didn't matter.
You are naive and don't know anything about middle east history, especially the Muslim brotherhood. Nor do you understand war psychology.
Of course its not good that they are rounding up people, but compare this with what Gaddhafi did. Just as the rebels were closing in, his people instead of letting prisoners go, threw grenades in a holding area and then started firing indiscriminately at the people. This is like the first negative thing on the rebels' side and the detractors are trying to make a big deal out of it. Gaddhafi was much worse and at least this is just rounding them up and holding them until they can figure out what to do with them, the US does that to suspected insurgents too.Gadafhi used mercenaries and his mercenaries came in all shapes and sizes. Such mercenaries were additionally a very small segment of the population. For Libya's new government to be rounding up any and every black person in the area, whatever they do with them, is clearly not something you should "have absolutely no problem with" if you actually have any interest in liberty or democracy.
I said all along we should stay the hell out of it.Makes you proud that we supported these assholes, huh?
Kinda like Egypt, where we encouraged Muslim extremists to oust a U.S. friendly government.
Gadafhi used mercenaries and his mercenaries came in all shapes and sizes. Such mercenaries were additionally a very small segment of the population. For Libya's new government to be rounding up any and every black person in the area, whatever they do with them, is clearly not something you should "have absolutely no problem with" if you actually have any interest in liberty or democracy.
Of course its not good that they are rounding up people, but compare this with what Gaddhafi did. Just as the rebels were closing in, his people instead of letting prisoners go, threw grenades in a holding area and then started firing indiscriminately at the people. This is like the first negative thing on the rebels' side and the detractors are trying to make a big deal out of it. Gaddhafi was much worse and at least this is just rounding them up and holding them until they can figure out what to do with them, the US does that to suspected insurgents too.
The new government has the right to make sure their new government will be secure. Now, they also have the right to deport them. Foreign citizens ALWAYS may be deported by the government at ANY TIME. They are guests. We don't know what they are going to do with them... perhaps only to verify that they are simply working and not fighting for the former dictator. We simply don't have enough information at this point.
The future of that entire region looks bleak. You think al-Quaida is a bitch? Wait until you see the entire Middle East and Northern Africa ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood, except for Israel.
take it up with your President... it was his call all the way.
i'm not fond of the idea of going after libya myself... but i didn't have a say in the matter and neither did any of my representatives.
Obama's only going to support pro-terrorist states. he's your boy, not mine.
i'm not sure why this is being offered up as a racist issue.... after reading the whole article, i didn't come away with the notion of this being an race-based issue at all... even though it's being sold to us here as exactly that.
Let's understand one major thing.....Barrak Hussain Obama has given Millions upon Millions of U.S. Dollars to these Muslim Rebels.
That is a very unstable country. And within a few months, I will say that Al-Quida will be involved, and part of their internal governing future.
Rounding up all the Black's..Yep! - that is only one influence of Al-Quida's way.
How much you want to bet the LA Times isn't looking at this through American black racism glasses? Is racism against black over there the same as it is here? What are the reasons?Here's the catch: Most of those Africans that are being killed by Libyan rebels are foreign workers. (Blacks In Libya | Libyan rebels accused of targeting blacks - Los Angeles Times) (AU: Libya rebels may be indiscriminately killing black workers, mistaking them for mercenaries - The Washington Post). The rebels have been targeting Africans a lot (Libyan rebel ethnic cleansing and lynching of black people « Human rights investigations).
Overall, the rebels are pretty racist (The Racist Revolt in Libya | RedState) (Libya’s ‘new racism’) (Amnesty and racist rebel atrocities in Libya « Human rights investigations).
Given the various reported instances of violence and outright murder of black Africans in rebel-held territories I am not terribly confident that they will mete out a fair ruling. Also, some of us have an understanding of democracy and liberty that does not include arbitrarily expelling any non-citizen the government likes without a legitimate cause. Being black is not a legitimate cause for expulsion.
Given that your understanding of democracy and liberty leads you to the support of tyrants, I don't think we have to take your opinion on the subject seriously.
How much you want to bet the LA Times isn't looking at this through American black racism glasses? Is racism against black over there the same as it is here? What are the reasons?
My understanding of democracy and liberty leads me to expose the nature of propaganda and respect that a country needs to find its own path rather than replicating the path of other countries or being forced along such a path. Removing Gadafhi can be easily portrayed as a noble cause . . . . if you ignore the consequences of intervening in another country's political process. We did it in Afghanistan and got the Taliban. We did it in Iran and got Khomeini.
Also, some of us have an understanding of democracy and liberty that does not include arbitrarily expelling any non-citizen the government likes without a legitimate cause. Being black is not a legitimate cause for expulsion.
Let's understand one major thing.....Barrak Hussain Obama has given Millions upon Millions of U.S. Dollars to these Muslim Rebels.
That is a very unstable country. And within a few months, I will say that Al-Quida will be involved, and part of their internal governing future.
Rounding up all the Black's..Yep! - that is only one influence of Al-Quida's way.
I'll take the "Millions upon Millions" for true right now, though some proof would be nice. I can imagine that it could be true, as removing Qadafi has long been a policy goal of our government, stretching back to at least Reagan (GASP! I just suggested that Reagan and Obama agreed about something. The horror!)
Here's what I find immensely funny. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Iraq was that it would result in democracies taking hold across the region -- you'd think the Right wing would be shoving this in people's faces saying "See, we told you this would happen." Instead you're all concerned that this is turning out poorly in some ways. Did you expect that they'd all be Republicans or something?
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