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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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You know what, I'm just gonna leave the Grant/Gunner thing alone. You guys figure your own stuff out

I thought it was about information, but whatever.
 
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"the greater good" has been marched out as the #1 excuse of every tyranny in history.
 
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Not if you chop off his head.
 
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ecofarm said:
Don't hurt yourself claiming that others have "reading comprehension problems". Fact is, I'm FAR more educated than you and your comment was stupid.
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I was correcting your lame accusations and thus saying you were having reading comprehension issues when I clarified my post. My post which you clearly misinterpreted in what can only be seen as a way for you to argue and derail the original post since you didn't have any real argument.

Can you even see this post of mine? I ask as it seems you continue to climb higher and higher up on that self important pedestal you have created and I also can't help but wonder if that pedestal hasn't inadvertently inserted itself in a dark orifice of yours along the way.
 
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More excuses for the mob violence against your country?
 
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gunner said:
Pretentious, much.
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Me pretentious? Never!

I judged by his writing skills.



Look, gunner, the guy claimed that being raped was like driving drunk and crashing.

When he claimed that I have a "reading comprehension problem" I felt justified in blowing his education out of the water. I think it was fair, and I was only defending myself. I didn't initiate the "who's a better reader" argument, he did.
 
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Talk about bad analogies.

I don't consider youtube "a crowded theater". It's understood by all to be an Open Access venue not a sanctioned, official, or even unofficial platform for any government or people.
Even these Arabs must know that, must see content that makes them understand that fact.

As in the early Islamic tradition, they have Used this as a Pretext for murder.
The only Third party blame I see is for any Local Imams who incited them.

mbig/abu afak
 
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Andalublue said:
In some senses many European nations have more liberal approaches to free speech than the US. The US is far, far more censorious of artistic representations of sexuality and the human body, for example.
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How so? What are some examples of artistic representations of sexuality banned in the US but not in many European countries? Child pornography?
 
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apdst said:
"the greater good" has been marched out as the #1 excuse of every tyranny in history.
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There is that. I was leaning more towards John Stuart Mill,

"Mill's On Liberty addresses the nature and limits of the power that can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual. One argument that Mill develops further than any previous philosopher is the harm principle. The harm principle holds that each individual has the right to act as he wants, so long as these actions do not harm others"

John Stuart Mill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul
 
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ecofarm said:
If a gay guy dresses in pink and wings, and wears a cross, should he be prosecuted if a gang of phobe-thugs attack him? After all, he WAS provocative of those mindless scumbags. So we should probably charge him with some kind of a crime, right?
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I agree that's not a great analogy in this case, for a variety of reasons.

andalublue said:
The film-maker is not responsible for the actions of others. He is responsible for his own provocative and prejudiced actions however.
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I think that's correct. Political activism often involves tangling with the law directly and indirectly, if that occured here I'm not sure why we should be surprised if someone tried to build a case against him based on his actions. But if he didn't break a law, I don't think that responsibility will (or should) move into legal territory, do you?
 
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gunner said:
My saying I have served here, there and everywhere adds what to this discussion? Remind yourself, Grant said "be careful not to put yourself in harms way" I merely highlighted the fact that, like many on this board, I have been in "harms way".

Paul
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Yes, I'm sure you have served here there and everywhere, "Gunner", keeping the world safe from....from whom actually?

My experience has been that those have have actually served and who have actually put themselves in harm's way tend to be more reticent about their heroics.

Pretentious much?
 
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We need to take these attacks seriously, an attack on a nations consulate/embassy is a very serious act of aggression. I think that killing one of our diplomats in our consulate/embassy is an act of war and should be treated as such (I'm not advocating going to war, but I am advocating treating this more than just an international killing of a US citizen and treating it like it is).
 
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ecofarm said:
Me pretentious? Never!


Look, gunner, the guy claimed that being raped was like driving drunk and crashing.
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I never said they were the same thing, and thats is why I said your reading comprehension was in question

you can try to spin it all you want but anyone can go back and see what I said and see I said that I do NOT compare rape and drunk driving

what I was comparing were the PEOPLE who made bad decisions to engage in dangerous activities or behaviors which is not the same as comparing actual drunk driving to rape
 
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SovereignElecto said:
I never said they were the same thing, and thats is why I said your reading comprehension was in question

you can try to spin it all you want but anyone can go back and see what I said and see I said that I do NOT compare rape and drunk driving
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I think that's clear enough. "Sluts" who get raped are the same as drunk drivers, and they are responsible for crashing their own car.
 
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LMFAO

Ok lets see where did this attack happen Wait didn't the USA get involved in the civil war over in that same country and help one side with weapons, and support? Hmmm I say the embassy got some Karma dished back at it. I say if there is an act of war the US had blood on its hand long before this embassy was ever attacked.
 
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So what we learned here was that we shouldn't say or do anything which might possibly be offensive or provocative to Muslims because they'll respond like murderous thugs and we'll have only ourselves to blame.

Is that today's lesson?
 
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gunner said:
I disagreed with most policies under the Bush regime does that mean I hate Americans ?
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That is a complete straw man, and very dishonest. Repeating traditional canards about Jewish people and applying them to Israel as a whole is NOT the same as taking exception to an administration.
gunner said:
YOU know full well I'm not justifying the murder of one of the most integrated Ambassadors in the ME. Fluent in Arabic, and the customs Libya. So, quit with the 'cheap shots'.

Paul
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Of course you did. You legitimized the murders as the inevitable byproduct of the exercize of free speech and indicated that unless we allow Islamists to dictate what we can and cannot say, we should expect more of the same. How is that NOT justification?

Just because you have been deluded into thinking that if you feed the crocodile it will eat you last, all you are accomplishing by feeding it is to make it stronger.
 
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Grant said:
So what we learned here was that we shouldn't say or do anything which might possibly be offensive or provocative to Muslims because they'll respond like murderous thugs and we'll have only ourselves to blame.

Is that today's lesson?
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Actually WE didn't.. and we have been manipulated just as the Libyans and Egyptians have been manipulated.

The movie is to incite the street and they probably have NO idea there was a targeted assassination.
 
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RDS said:
Mitt Romney capitalised on the incident to score political points but it's a backlash.

Romney Shredded For Embassy Attack Response - Business Insider
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His response was kickass, and he slammed the current administration well (~"this indecision [the white house statement being retracted] represents the larger indecision of his foreign policy" = burn). He will move up in the polls.
 
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I don't disagree with that. But, the guy that did the flick didn't harm anyone...the protestors did.
 
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ecofarm said:
I think that's clear enough. "Sluts" who get raped are the same as drunk drivers, and they are responsible for crashing their own car.
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In the context of the situation I was describing of a person putting themselves in harms way. You are generalizing it to fall under all rapes or take it out of context.

If a woman is sitting at home a a guy breaks into her house and rapes her is very different than a woman walking down a dark street at night in a bad neighborhood wearing provocative clothing. The woman walking the streets needs to take some personal responsibility and therefore I do not feel sorry for her. Just like I do not feel sorry for a drunk driver who doesn't take responsibility for his drinking, he will then put him self in harms way liek the woman in the street did and I cannot feel sorry for him.
 
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sharon said:
we have been manipulated just as the Libyans and Egyptians have been manipulated.
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By whom?


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Grant said:
So what we learned here was that we shouldn't say or do anything which might possibly be offensive or provocative to Muslims because they'll respond like murderous thugs and we'll have only ourselves to blame.

Is that today's lesson?
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No today's lesson is DO NOT be surprised if you reap what you sew
 
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