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I'm "Meh" to it all..
As for the killing of the American Ambassador, well thats the chance he took when he was over in such a hostile environment where the US has had such a dirty hand in so many dealings.
Call it Karma or just retribution but no real loss to me, the US will learn through these killings that they (THE US) cannot play such games without impunity
While I understand that, I'm not going to excuse interventionist forever war as an acceptable and proper solution to such a problem.
We do not limit our rights according to the sensitivities of terrorists.
This is the biggest charge placed on European posters by most American users, on this board, and repeated to ad nauseam. They just cant believe it is possible to be critical of a Countries policy and not hate it's population....
Cartoons cause provocation and violence, movies cause provocation and violence, books cause provocation and violence, advertising causes provocation and violence. The list appears to be endless.
What do you suggest the western world do in order to be sure we never provoke Muslims?
Oh, please. Here comes that Euro-version of free speech.
Then don't be so surprised when the murdering fanatics do what they know best.
Paul
Then don't be so surprised when the murdering fanatics do what they know best.
Paul
I suppose it depends on the problem.
You're projecting onto me what you perceive ....
Originally Posted by MSgt
Maybe she is exercising a bit of common sense and intelligence? Go to a ghetto and scream "nigger!" If you wind up dead, nobody will exonerate you of responsibility for causing your own death. Provocation, masked as freedom of speech, is ignorant.
You know there are thousands and thousands of Americans who have lived and worked all over the Arab world without incident for the past 7 decades.
I see you're trying to clamp down on my right to say what I want about brain-dead polemicist film-makers. Or perhaps you're just expressing an opinion too.
Yep, I misdirected by mistake. No hard feelings.
The U.S. embassy had put out a statement earlier on Tuesday condemning "misguided individuals" who hurt the religious feelings of Muslims or followers of other religions.
"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others," the U.S. embassy said in its statement.....snip~
Team Obama's first released statement.
Or the dumb... American not realizing inflammatory actions will incite such actions by murdering fanatics. Who'd of thought it, hey?
Paul
Then don't be so surprised when the murdering fanatics do what they know best.
Paul
Second, one wouldn't go out of his way to paint "**** Jesus" on the side of a bus and park it at a church
or "**** Darkie" on a bus and park it in the ghetto if they weren't expecting a rise, maybe even a violent retaliation from somebody.
This person should except the responsibility of his obvious provocation, because nobody tuning in would be surprised with his bruises.
I don't see burning Qu'rans (Bibles) as a simple hapless display of freedom simply because the needless offense is against Muslims. And since this recent violent event wasn't entirely based on this video, there's no sense in adding it to the category. But the truth is that this "director" merely wanted to express his personal hatreds...not "whistle blow the religion" for which even the dumbest of authors have done a better educational job through books.
rights are not rights because of their function, we do not support free speech on the sole strut that we believe it serves societal utility, which it certainly does. We support it because we believe it is valuable in and of itself, that sovereignty over your words is one of the most precious things and it would be abhorrent to limit them no matter how horrendous or damaging the speech is. The united states has some of the most liberal views of free speech on the planet, perhaps the most liberal. The bar for prohibited speech is extremely high and is usually temporary and situational almost never a permanent prohibition (i.e. In the midst of an actual riot), this also extends to everything from our extremely strict view on libel and artistic expression (video game, film, book censorship which is much more prevalent abroad).
If you think your society cannot handle the price of that kind of freedom that is your right, ours can and we value it too strongly to let fundamentalists in benghazi alter that. I have nothing but disdain for this pastor terry but i imagine most sincere patriots in this country no matter what end of the spectrum, would put an army between him and any group foreign or domestic that wanted to violently prevent his right to air his film.
Being a true progressive (not that i am) mean's more than just being in support of gay marriage, social justice, or abortion rights.
It's just the apologist for the free world doing his thing.
He's a really cool guy.
Or the dumb... American not realizing inflammatory actions will incite such actions by murdering fanatics. Who'd of thought it, hey?
Paul
Yes, when you repeat the absolutely CLASSIC antisemitic canard about Jews being manipulative puppetmasters, but change the word "Jew" to "Israel", there are some of us who are not fooled by the subterfuge. When you then try to claim that this canard is somehow a valid a criticism of Israel policy, some of us will call you on that ruse, too.
The only reason some of the American posters are doing this (ad nauseam as you say) is that so many of you European posters follow the same script ad nauseam. Not all do, of course, as Arcana doesn't, Djoop doesn't and Ben doesn't, but there are plenty who do.
I disagreed with most policies under the Bush regime does that mean I hate Americans ?
Now, that is sure some direct justification for murder.
Good Job, Gunner!
YOU know full well I'm not justifying the murder of one of the most integrated Ambassadors in the ME. Fluent in Arabic, and the customs Libya. So, quit with the 'cheap shots'.
Paul
terry jones has no film.....
I'm pointing out the difference between Euro and US free speech, and that your apologist attitude is what feeds into the pansified Euro-version.
How are Europeans containing any possible 'inflammatory actions"?
I'm sure the American people can learn a lot from Europeans in this regard.
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