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Liberty Dollar office raided

U.S. Raids Issuer of Ron Paul Coins
Gold Seized by Agents in Indiana

By JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 16, 2007

Federal agents, in a move that could have an impact on the presidential race, raided the Indiana office of the issuer of a private currency known as the Liberty Dollar — and seized tens of thousands of coins bearing the likeness of a presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul.

Overall, agents on Wednesday hauled away more than 2 tons of copper coins and 500 pounds of silver coins, as well as records and computers, the founder of the currency system, Bernard von NotHaus, told The New York Sun by phone from Miami. Although not present in Evansville, Ind., for the raid, Mr. von NotHaus said he has been told that the government agents left business cards from the FBI and Secret Service. Neither agency would confirm or deny the raid when contacted by the Sun.

U.S. Raids Issuer of Ron Paul Coins - November 16, 2007 - The New York Sun

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U.S. Raids Issuer of Ron Paul Coins

The NY Sun would never be misleading in its headlines would it?

Jesse Benton, said the campaign wasn't "really paying that much attention" to the raid. "We don't have any official association" to the currency, he added.

Well my goodness Ron Paul has nothing to do with the damn coins!!!!
 
The NY Sun would never be misleading in its headlines would it?



Well my goodness Ron Paul has nothing to do with the damn coins!!!!

??? Nothing other than the fact that Ron Paul's image was imprinted on tens of thousands of coins. What is misleading?
 
??? Nothing other than the fact that Ron Paul's image was imprinted on tens of thousands of coins. What is misleading?

The obvious implication that RP had anything at all to do with the coins.
 
You'd better believe we go to war with anyone to protect our dollar.
 
I asked my friend to send me a link where he got this from, he sent me an email about it when I told him about the raid.

NORFED’s "Liberty Dollars"
Liberty Dollar Obverse Liberty Dollar Reverse
Source: NORFED, Inc.

The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code (NORFED) is producing and marketing gold and silver medallions that NORFED calls "Liberty Dollars." The United States Mint and the United States Department of Justice have received inquiries regarding the legality of these so-called "Liberty Dollar" medallions. The United States Mint urges consumers who are considering the purchase or use of these items to be aware that they are not genuine United States Mint bullion coins and they are not legal tender. These medallions are privately produced products and are not backed by, nor affiliated in any way with, the United States Government. Moreover, prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime.

Consumers may find advertisements for these medallions confusing and should take note of several issues related to them.

First, the advertisements refer to the product as "real money" and "currency." These medallions might look like real money because they—

* Bear the inscriptions, "Liberty," "Dollars," "Trust in God" (similar to "In God We Trust"), and "USA" (similar to "United States of America"), and an inscription purporting to denote the year of production; and


* Depict images that are similar to United States coins, such as the torch on the reverses of the current dime coin, 1986 Statute of Liberty commemorative silver dollar and 1993 Bill of Rights commemorative half-dollar, and the Liberty Head designs on the obverses of United States gold coins from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s.

However, despite their misleading appearance, NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions are not genuine United States Mint coins and they are not legal tender.

Second, the advertisements confusingly refer to NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as "legal" and "constitutional." However, under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ), Congress has the exclusive power to coin money of the United States and to regulate its value. By statute ( 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a) ), Congress specifies the coins that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to mint and issue and requires the Secretary to carry out these duties at the United States Mint (31 U.S.C. § 5131). Accordingly, the United States Mint is the only entity in the United States with the lawful authority to mint and issue legal tender United States coins.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 486, it is a Federal crime to utter or pass, or attempt to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver intended for use as current money except as authorized by law. According to the NORFED website, "Liberty merchants" are encouraged to accept NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions and offer them as change in sales transactions of merchandise or services. Further, NORFED tells "Liberty associates" that they can earn money by obtaining NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions at a discount and then can "spend [them] into circulation." Therefore, NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with the circulating coinage of the United States. Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486.

Just another side of the coin.

Not the link, but another link that pretty much describes the above:

The United States Mint Pressroom
 
The obvious implication that RP had anything at all to do with the coins.

????? What implication? Any "implication" is a product of your own imagination that should have been cleared up by the first sentence of the article. "and seized tens of thousands of coins bearing the likeness of a presidential candidate"
 
????? What implication? Any "implication" is a product of your own imagination that should have been cleared up by the first sentence of the article. "and seized tens of thousands of coins bearing the likeness of a presidential candidate"

It is not made up. There was no need to mention RP in the headline. It really has little to nothing to do with the story.

At best the reason they used RP's name was for sensationalism worst it was to associate his name with a fringe possibly criminal group that he has no official connection with.
 
It is not made up. There was no need to mention RP in the headline. It really has little to nothing to do with the story.

At best the reason they used RP's name was for sensationalism worst it was to associate his name with a fringe possibly criminal group that he has no official connection with.

Sounds criminal to me. Doing what this man did is against the law.
 
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Why would someone make Ron Paul coins? Thats just dumb.........
 
It is not made up. There was no need to mention RP in the headline. It really has little to nothing to do with the story.

At best the reason they used RP's name was for sensationalism worst it was to associate his name with a fringe possibly criminal group that he has no official connection with.

Let see, there are 10s of thousands of illegally minted coins with Ron Pauls image on them, siezed by federal authorities. Ron Pauls image was placed on the coins to support his presidential campaign, and you think the media should withold Ron Pauls name to avoid any possible damage to his image???? Yeah, that sounds like the kind of media you clowns long for.
 
Let see, there are 10s of thousands of illegally minted coins with Ron Pauls image on them, siezed by federal authorities. Ron Pauls image was placed on the coins to support his presidential campaign, and you think the media should withold Ron Pauls name to avoid any possible damage to his image???? Yeah, that sounds like the kind of media you clowns long for.

I don't think it is the headline. I think the story is about potentially illegally minted coins NOT RP.

The headline is misleading.

Oh and for the record I'm not a RP supporter and think the guy is on the wrong lunatic fringe.
 
It certainly does seem so. Since they were trying to pass the coins off as real money more or less.

what does this mean?

Real money?

They never once tried to pass these off as FRN's.
 
Let see, there are 10s of thousands of illegally minted coins with Ron Pauls image on them, siezed by federal authorities. Ron Pauls image was placed on the coins to support his presidential campaign, and you think the media should withold Ron Pauls name to avoid any possible damage to his image???? Yeah, that sounds like the kind of media you clowns long for.

And Ron Paul has already stipulated that he never authorized his image to be used on the coins. Why are you lying?
 
And Ron Paul has already stipulated that he never authorized his image to be used on the coins. Why are you lying?


"lying"??? Feel fre to point to any statement that you allege to be a lie. Why are you such an idiot?
 
"lying"??? Feel fre to point to any statement that you allege to be a lie. Why are you such an idiot?

??? Nothing other than the fact that Ron Paul's image was imprinted on tens of thousands of coins. What is misleading?

The implication you made in this post, and subsequent posts, is obvious, since you tied Ron Paul's name to every post you made. You say "I never said that", but at the same time, you keep implying that Ron Paul's campaign is somehow connected to this.

So, for the record, Ron Paul has disavowed any connection to this, and his campaign has already stated they have no connection whatsoever to Paul's image being used for the coins.

Now keep implying all you want. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
 
Dixon76710,

Just so that it is clear, although Bernard von NotHaus created the "Ron Paul dollars" to express support for Ron Paul's campaign, Ron Paul had nothing to do with the coins.

Here's what PRNewswire reported on July 10 when the coins were issued:

Liberty Dollar announced the Ron Paul Dollar today - bringing new meaning to the U.S. Mint's "Presidential Dollars." Now the Internet's favorite Presidential candidate has his own money to help turbo-charge his shot at the White House. Due to Federal Election Commission rule, the Ron Paul Dollar has not been endorsed by the Ron Paul for President Committee...

Von NotHaus stresses urgency as the political parties have moved up the primary elections, squeezing campaigning time to only eight more months. If people want to change things, they must donate to Ron's campaign, get a Ron Paul Dollar and support him right now.

All this will be a big surprise to Dr. Paul. As Liberty Dollar's legal counsel pointed out, if Ron Paul's campaign was informed before the launch date, the Federal Election Commission could require profits in excess of $2,300 to be distributed to the Republican Party. So the Ron Paul Dollar was created as an "independent contribution" and is distributed through the grassroots Volunteer Network...
 
LOLOL!!! Oh I see. Lieing by implication, LOL!!!!! the implication is a product of your imagination. The only implication is that his likeness appeared on 10s of thousands of illegal coins. Its a fact.

The implication you made in this post, and subsequent posts, is obvious, since you tied Ron Paul's name to every post you made. You say "I never said that", but at the same time, you keep implying that Ron Paul's campaign is somehow connected to this.

So, for the record, Ron Paul has disavowed any connection to this, and his campaign has already stated they have no connection whatsoever to Paul's image being used for the coins.

Now keep implying all you want. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
 
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