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Libertarianism is built on selfishness and greed.

Democrats are better at talking about how much they care about the unfortunate. But are they any more likely than Republicans to make major sacrifices to help people they don't even know?
70% of the nation's GDP was generated in counties that voted for Joe Biden. That means that the overwhelming amount of taxes in this country are paid by Liberals. Polls of millionaires and billionaires
have shown that they actually believe they should pay more in taxes.

So yeah, we're good.
 
Democrats are better at talking about how much they care about the unfortunate. But are they any more likely than Republicans to make major sacrifices to help people they don't even know?
actually there were studies done (I posted them here years ago) that conservatives were more likely to contribute to secular charities more than similarly situated (economically) liberals, and of course far more to religious charities. Liberals-when they donated-usually did so to organizations that advocated more government redistribution of income (rather than organizations that actually helped people)
 
that's really stupid.
Wow! Good comeback. Notice how you can't actually explain why it's stupid? Yeah, that because it actually makes perfect sense.

Taxes are the dues you pay for living in our country. They are the fees you pay for access to play in the arena that is the United States. If you don't think it's a fair deal, you're welcome to head for Mexico, Canada, Europe, Russia, China... Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
 
Wow! Good comeback. Notice how you can't actually explain why it's stupid? Yeah, that because it actually makes perfect sense.

Taxes are the dues you pay for living in our country. They are the fees you pay for access to play in the arena that is the United States. If you don't think it's a fair deal, you're welcome to head for Mexico, Canada, Europe, Russia, China... Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

the problem with this nonsense is that when you pay dues in clubs you get what you pay for. You seem to think that we who pay the dues for the whiners, teat sucklers and parasites have no right to note that there are plenty of people who don't pull their own weight and some of us are tired of subsidizing those teat suckers
 
70% of the nation's GDP was generated in counties that voted for Joe Biden. That means that the overwhelming amount of taxes in this country are paid by Liberals. Polls of millionaires and billionaires
have shown that they actually believe they should pay more in taxes.

So yeah, we're good.
you are lying yet again. I posted evidence that the vast majority of people making more than 100K voted for Trump and the majority of those making less than 50K voted for Biden
 
actually there were studies done (I posted them here years ago) that conservatives were more likely to contribute to secular charities more than similarly situated (economically) liberals, and of course far more to religious charities. Liberals-when they donated-usually did so to organizations that advocated more government redistribution of income (rather than organizations that actually helped people)
Assuming of course that the secular and religious charities actually help people.

Assuming that they help more than government redistribution.
 
you are lying yet again. I posted evidence that the vast majority of people making more than 100K voted for Trump and the majority of those making less than 50K voted for Biden
Yer calling people liars all over the board tonight, TurtleDude. That’s quite the Trump behavior you’ve got going.
 
the problem with this nonsense is that when you pay dues in clubs you get what you pay for.
OIC, you don't think you're getting what you paid for? Okay, well then let's eliminate the government entirely and see how much of your wealth and property you are able to hang on to with no government at all.

No more police to help you defend your home.
No more FDIC to protect the money in your bank.

The deed to your house? Burn it.
The title to your Car? Shred-it.
They're both worthless now with nobody to actually enforce them.

You sound like you'd be happier living somewhere like Nicaragua or Somalia where they don't have any real government at all. Lots of wealthy people there.
 
you are lying yet again. I posted evidence that the vast majority of people making more than 100K voted for Trump and the majority of those making less than 50K voted for Biden
I have seen no such evidence.
 
Wow! Good comeback. Notice how you can't actually explain why it's stupid? Yeah, that because it actually makes perfect sense.

Taxes are the dues you pay for living in our country. They are the fees you pay for access to play in the arena that is the United States. If you don't think it's a fair deal, you're welcome to head for Mexico, Canada, Europe, Russia, China... Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Or advocate within the system for lower taxes, less regulation, etc.

I can remember when the right had a monopoly on that "Love it or leave it" shit.
 
Why should I solve your problems for you?

If I spend my own time and money building a homeless shelter and making sure every homeless person in town can get a basic meal and the health care they need then you don't have to worry about
being bothered by homeless people begging you for money or stealing when they can't get what they need by begging.

You've benefitted from my solution every bit as much as I have. Why shouldn't you be required to chip in?

What if I decide to build a road for me and my neighbors to use? It boils down to being your choice and that is the point. You want something done do it.

I had the public road to my my house paved and marked, it was supposedly gravel, more like badly maintained dirt road. Others use it the county is supposed to maintain it, but I put it in and maintain it to MY standards even though technically its a public road. It's not closed off and my neighbors all use it. I have never asked them to pay for or maintain it.

I put the road in, because it snows here and I have heavy equipment that comes to my property so I wanted the road from the state highway to my home be capable of handling that kind of load, for safety reasons, and be easy to salt and plow, which I do myself on occasion. I also had new solar powered led street lights installed. Because I payed for them, I picked the design I liked.

You know what happened after I had the road installed? Some (most) of my neighbors came to me and wanted to pitch in on the maintenance, and some even wanted to help allay the cost of the road. I declined the help for paying for the road as I got a tax deduction for it as a business expense. (Very nice deduction.) I do however accept whatever my neighbors wish to pay into a formal maintenance trust fund, the ones able are very generous and the ones not able, have volunteered to plow the road if I lend them my equipment. (They are on a rotation where there are enough volunteers, nobody has to plow very much, works well for me and them.) County is annoyed at me, but that's their problem. ( I put a sign up saying who paid for the road while it was being built, just like they do for the roads they do. Also I didn't ask them. :) ) The road coincidentally improved everyone's property values.

I also provide free education to all my associates (I hate the word employee.) children, so they get a superior education and not have to go to government halls of indoctrination. Their families get to see their kids during the day and the kids do and see things they wouldn't ordinarily. I don't ask for a dime yet all of my associates help contribute in whatever ways they see fit. My customers have remarked very positively about the atmosphere of the company because the children are there doing and learning important things about life and work and interacting with adults. I have retired employees who come in just for seeing, and helping teach the children their skills. One my best policies I have ever done. It benefits everyone in my business.

I don't do charity. I do things that benefit others and myself, and I expect nothing in return. That's how you make the world a little bit better place, by doing things of your own accord according to your means. I am pretty well off so I can do more of what I want, others who are not as well off do what they can, until they get to a point where they to can do larger things. It's not rocket science. Its basic leadership.
 
70% of the nation's GDP was generated in counties that voted for Joe Biden. That means that the overwhelming amount of taxes in this country are paid by Liberals. Polls of millionaires and billionaires
have shown that they actually believe they should pay more in taxes.

So yeah, we're good.

Then why don't they? Actions talk, BS walks.
 
Make in New Zealand they are.
Your right wing libertarianism is a bad joke. You want people to be both greedy and selfish but not to the point where they might hurt others. You actually need to pretend that we are all on a equal footing that everyone is playing on a level field. That for some strange magical reason people will naturally treat others with consideration . Yet even more laughable is you think your not asking for a utopia where all this can happen.

Your ridiculous religion is a complete waste of time, nothing more.
 
The greatest crime the U.S.S.R ever committed was teaching Ayn Rand how to read and write.
 
This idea of "compulsory compassion" you argue is a moral construct used by those who think they have both a right and a duty to compel other's to submit themselves to the group and "share" in the fruits of their labor. Based on the weird idea that simply by existing one may demand to be taken care of by everyone else. That is the foundation of Socialism and it's extreme of Communism, i.e. that the group has the right to compel individuals to work as hard as possible and then "share" the bulk of their production with those less capable or less willing to put in the same effort.

I love this because you literally just described Capitalism.
 
it's based on the mistaken conclusion that if government is pared down to its bare bones, then you'll get the freedom and wealth just like your employer, the rich, and everyone else with more power than you. in reality, you'll more likely end up as an independent contractor if you're lucky enough to be employed at all, and you still won't be able to smoke pot in your spare time due to limited worker rights and drug screens that you pay for yourself. also, bye bye, SS and Medicare.
those programs will be going bye bye one way or the other. Without enough children to pay future retirees are our cratering birth rate it is a mathematical certainty it can’t be maintained.
 
To be fair I agree with libertarians on freedom. Ron Paul telling those fake moral crusaders in the GOP debates that he supported legalization of drugs was priceless and I am grateful he did that because now weed is now legal in several states.

My issue with libertarians was clearly spoken when I saw Ayn Rand speak at the UW in 1976. She clearly stated that poor people, the elderly and the sick where leeches and she did not care if they lived or died if they needed public assistance. Sorry libertarians. I respect your right to brlieve as you please but the political equivalent of Satanism or Manifest Destiny is just not this liberals style. Where is the compassion? Thank God they are of minority opinion.
Liberalism and enlightenment political systems are generally built on greed, libertarianism is based on the same ideology as liberalism, which is that the foundation of society is the autonomous individual who has rights of bodily autonomy. Libertarianism is basically liberalism at its logical conclusion. The only difference is that the libertarian doesn’t believe everyone should bail you out of your bad decisions where most liberals think that’s a human right. Both are selfish philosophies (like for example liberals have a creepy obsession with birth control access, birth control is pure 100% selfish greed made into a pill) based on the individual and not the society based on family.
 
To be fair I agree with libertarians on freedom. Ron Paul telling those fake moral crusaders in the GOP debates that he supported legalization of drugs was priceless and I am grateful he did that because now weed is now legal in several states.

My issue with libertarians was clearly spoken when I saw Ayn Rand speak at the UW in 1976. She clearly stated that poor people, the elderly and the sick where leeches and she did not care if they lived or died if they needed public assistance. Sorry libertarians. I respect your right to brlieve as you please but the political equivalent of Satanism or Manifest Destiny is just not this liberals style. Where is the compassion? Thank God they are of minority opinion.


Yes, Rome's "Bread & Circuses" were a success story(LOL)

Keep up the good work
 
why not? Waiting for selfish tight wads and it would never happen. What is your beef with the government doing it. The Germans have te best healthcare in the world and it is government ran so why not? That crap is mythology about the government can't do anything well in fact it is downright stupid.
The Germans are generally more intelligent than most other groups of people. Plus the influence of extreme Protestant Christianity a few hundred years ago created a society of industrious people with a sense of honesty and low corruption. A group of intelligent people will always create a functioning society. The people build the institution, not the other way around. You can copy Germany’s health care plan in America and it will fail on day one because resources will have to be used to bribe certain ethnic groups in exchange for political cover from charges of “racism”
 
No just more of the fact that you have a corrupt government that has failed the people. It is understandable why you do not want socialism in your country because that would only line the pockets of corrupt politicians. The failure is not socialism which works quite well when it works for the people. The failure is that america is a failed experiment in republicism.
No, socialism has never worked anywhere in the world except to produce death, mass murder and misery.
 
My issue with libertarians was clearly spoken when I saw Ayn Rand speak at the UW in 1976.
So you want to hold me accountable for something that was said years before I was born?

This seems reasonable to you?
 
One of the measures of any society is how they care for their indigent population. Does uncontrolled and unregulated capitalism result in a bigger middle class? Ayn Rand does not comment on the vicissitudes of capitalism, and the resultant problems in our society.
Uncontrolled and unregulated markets in housing would certainly eliminate affordability issues overnight.
 
Whats the problem? If you see something needs doing, do something about it. You don't need government for that.

That is a rather narrow view of how a government of, by and for the people works. For example, Social Security and Medicare required the federal government to implement those social (insurance) programs, but those programs were created and kept in place precisely because that was seen as something which the majority saw as needing to be done.

The concept is simple and popular: those currently working pay the premiums (via a flat rate payroll tax) while the elderly and/or disabled reap the benefits. The advantage to having those ‘pay as you go’ (social) insurance programs is that they were designed to funded by a dedicated tax and removed the need for the elderly and/or disabled to have to depend on private charity for their basic survival needs.
 
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