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This is a city fire department that provides fire services to people located in the city. If people outside the city want to buy coverage, they can do so. This guy didn't.
It sounds like the problem stems from the fact that the city doesn't have legal authority to tax people outside the city limits for fire services.
LoL. This is the type of system that Libertarians claim they want to make universal, not only for this, but other public services, as well.
What's next? If you don't pay the subscription fee, the police will watch you get raped? Oops, too bad!
Another reason I loathe libertarians.
That's ultimately irrelevant, given it's the TYPE of system that caused this to happen. DOesn't matter if government adopted it or not. This is the result of a framework for service advocated by Libertarians. You don't see this happen in a tax funded system, but you do in a service model fee based one.
A private business whom you didn't pay would do the same thing.
Although this guy lives outside a city, he presumably has some sort of local government. That local government failed to provide any sort of fire service, tax-funded or otherwise. The only reason either party in this story got any help was because of the service fee system. Rather than lambasting the service fee system for not helping out the first guy, why not criticize the government for not providing said services?
Because the point of this thread is to show the failure of a model that Libertarians want to adopt? The point is that a private service model scaled up would do what this city did outside its boundaries. That they did not have a public service, and had to rely on a private one, is the problem. We should not thereore adopt a private system or a public system that allows this model.
WTF is wrong with this county that they don't have a fire department? The lack of such a basic service is very messed up.
The incident is shining new light on a policy that's got a lot of people upset. But Union City Fire Chief Kelly Edmison is defending the firefighters in South Fulton. "If somebody is trapped in the house we're going to go because life safety is number one but we can't give the service away," Edmison said. "It's not South Fulton's problem. It's not Union City's problem. It's the county's problem. There is no county fire department."
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It's a situation Edmison said isn't ideal but a necessity to keep fire departments operating. "If we just waited to charge when we went out there, you'd be working on a per-call basis," he said. "With no more calls than there are, the money wouldn't be there in a sufficient source to buy the equipment you need." He and other fire chiefs in Obion County who charge subscription fees for county residents know they're in a tough spot. "It's like car insurance," Edmison said. "I wish I could wait until I have an accident until I pay my premium on my car insurance, but it doesn't work that way. So why should the fire service be looked at anything different?"
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It sounds like it's the result of there being too few people spread out over too much of an area to support a fire department.
So you're taking a sad story involving a family whose local government failed them and using it as a jumping off point to attack a position that some libertarians hold in relation to some issues. Okay.
Yes. It makes perfect sense. This is a case study of what would happen more frequently in the Libertero-verse where police, fire, and justice are private subscription services. Even if it's applied by the government now in limited cases, Libertarians want everyone to live in this anarchy of privatization.
You should look up at what went on with the private fire departments in NYC in the 1800s.
Seems like a bit of a sweeping generalization.
Yes. It makes perfect sense. This is a case study of what would happen more frequently in the Libertero-verse where police, fire, and justice are private subscription services. Even if it's applied by the government now in limited cases, Libertarians want everyone to live in this anarchy of privatization.
Pretty much but I'm not going to stop the rant, it's just to funny.
On the other hand, if everybody were forced to pay less taxes, they could better afford privatization of services themselves.
Maybe if this guy's income taxes weren't going to earmarks in Nebraska he would have the money to afford a private fire-fighting service.
There's a few things me and RightNYC agree on. This is one of them. This isn't about the tragedy of having a libertarian society. This is about the tragedy of having a local government that's incapable of fulfilling the needs of it's constituents.
Hardly a rant. It's the logical result of libertarian ideology.
Are you sure?
Because last time I checked my guidebook to libertarianism, it didn't say that.
Anarcho-capitalists are down the hall, to the right.
Absolutely sure. Many Libertarians are anarcho-capitalists, and those who aren't, are only slightly less extreme. Many Libertarians advocate this model of public service based on the same principles less extreme ones hold.
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