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Liberals are LESS Compassionate than Conservatives

X Factor said:
I suggest you reread what CC posted. There's more to this thread than just what was posted today.



Now, go ahead and tell me why that doesn't mean what it clearly says.
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CC can speak for himself

CaptainCourtesy said:
1) I have always said I lean left. If one looks at my beliefs, I am certainly liberal when it comes to social/domestic issues, but definitely more conservative when it comes to foreign policy/military issues. Overall, I lean left, but there are several issues I am definitely right of center on.

2) I have no problem with people calling me left wing. I have a problem with conservatives claiming that I adhere to one of their idiotic talking points, I have a problem with conservatives lumping me in with some overgeneralization that they have of liberals, and I have a problem with conservatives making stupid assumptions and accusations without ASKING me.

3) And no, you're not onto anything.
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CC clearly states the he not a liberal due to holding certain conservative beliefs, thus going back to my original point that you need to look at the totality of someone's beliefs before spouting labels.
 
pbrauer said:
Conservatives are more compassionate toward rich people, poor people not so much.
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that is a heaping pile of bovine excrement.
 
digsbe said:
Yeah. It is sad that people lump someone into a category and irrationally hate them because they have been judged to be apart of a political lean.
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*Sigh* Criticism =/= hate
 
X Factor said:
I suggest you reread what CC posted. There's more to this thread than just what was posted today.



Now, go ahead and tell me why that doesn't mean what it clearly says.
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I think I have been pretty clear about this issue. If I was not clear in that post, I'm sorry. But, no, there is a difference between someone who is a liberal, and someone who leans left on a particular issue. And... I'm STILL no sure why this is important to you which goes back to a question you have not answered. What exactly are you trying to present by posting this thread?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I think I have been pretty clear about this issue. If I was not clear in that post, I'm sorry. But, no, there is a difference between someone who is a liberal, and someone who leans left on a particular issue. And... I'm STILL no sure why this is important to you which goes back to a question you have not answered. What exactly are you trying to present by posting this thread?
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I'm trying to refute the claims (by whoever) that liberals are more compassionate toward the poor than conservatives. That said, I do apologize to you. I retract my post about not being dealt with honestly and I didn't mean to make this thread about you. I think you're an honest guy and I regret anything I posted that suggested otherwise.
 
X Factor said:
I'm trying to refute the claims (by whoever) that liberals are more compassionate toward the poor than conservatives. That said, I do apologize to you. I retract my post about not being dealt with honestly and I didn't mean to make this thread about you. I think you're an honest guy and I regret anything I posted that suggested otherwise.
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Thank you. And that's fine. I will say that I do not believe that liberals claim to be more compassionate to the poor. I believe that liberals claim to be more HELPFUL to the poor. Whether that is true or not depends on your point of view.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Thank you. And that's fine. I will say that I do not believe that liberals claim to be more compassionate to the poor. I believe that liberals claim to be more HELPFUL to the poor. Whether that is true or not depends on your point of view.
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CC, liberals in this very thread have said that liberals are more compassionate and conservatives only care about the rich, blah, blah, blah.

You've asked for proof from me that liberal think the way I claim they do, without even leaving this thread, here you go:

Paschendale said:
I never doubt the compassion of a lot of conservative people on a small scale. *They enjoy the feeling of giving change to the man in the Santa suit, or writing a check to the Red Cross, or supporting a needy child in Africa for just pennies a day. *But tell these folks that a large scale change is needed, and that they'll have to give up on their new big screen TV so that other people will be able to get vaccines for their kids? *Suddenly you're talking about tyranny. *As long as a charity is private, you'll celebrate it, if it's public (read as: big enough to actually accomplish the job and not be used as a vehicle for profit for a few individuals) then it must be destroyed.
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Patria Antiqua said:
Until then, all this study proves is that conservatives piss more of their money down the toilet, and liberals care more about fixing America's structural problems, like capitalism.
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Kali said:
Just reading the title of this thread made me call B.S. I need not read on as it is crap! Liberals wish to help folks while others wish to keep poor folks in their place and hold em down. This is the real reality.
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pbrauer said:
Conservatives are more compassionate toward rich people, poor people not so much.
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So what's my score card now? Have I definitively shown that I get how *many (*notice new qualifier word) liberals think or do I need to start a new thread called "Proof of How Liberals Think"?
 
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X Factor said:
Actually, this is not a new revelation, but I suspect it might be for some here.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers
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Liberals like to say the US doesn't give as much money to the UN as other countries do "on a percentage basis". I'll take 2% of a billion dollars any time over 20% of a million dollars. Liberals also think it's the government's job to give away our money and not let individuals decide who they want to give to. Liberals also need to look at people like Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey or Jon Huntsman before they start playing their game of "Let's rag on the rich people". Probably not many people even know who Jon Huntsman is. He's worth getting to know. He's also worth over three times as much as Oprah.

Huntsman's charity sets him apart | Deseret News
 
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Conservatives like to say that babies taste best when flame-broiled with garlic.

Wow, that was easy! Look at all this fun I've been missing out on -- I could've been pulling **** out of my ass and wiping it all over the faces of posters who never actually said any such thing. :lol:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Conservatives like to say that babies taste best when flame-broiled with garlic.

Wow, that was easy! Look at all this fun I've been missing out on -- I could've been pulling **** out of my ass and wiping it all over the faces of posters who never actually said any such thing. :lol:
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Gross. As picturesque as that is, I'd just like to point out that I've posted actual examples, from this thread alone, of what I've been claiming. Just because something may be a generalization doesn't make it not true. I'm backing up MY claims, now show me where a conservative thinks babies taste good with garlic. I hate garlic.
 
X Factor said:
Gross. As picturesque as that is, I'd just like to point out that I've posted actual examples, from this thread alone, of what I've been claiming. Just because something may be a generalization doesn't make it not true. I'm backing up MY claims, now show me where a conservative thinks babies taste good with garlic. I hate garlic.
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I was actually responding to VF500 in particular, with respect to "Liberals like to say the US blah blah blah spankity spank spank."

I hate those kinds of generalizations, because my experience is that they're typically backed up by equal parts prejudice and bull****.

ETA: Also, garlic is win. DNT the garlic. :mrgreen:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm not a "lib" either.
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depends on reference point...I consider myself a moderate, but there are many conservatives here calling me a liberal. Not sure how I can be a liberal and almost always vote republican. I have heard of consrvative democrats on occasion, but liberal republicans?
 
UtahBill said:
depends on reference point...I consider myself a moderate, but there are many conservatives here calling me a liberal. Not sure how I can be a liberal and almost always vote republican. I have heard of consrvative democrats on occasion, but liberal republicans?
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the Chafees of Rhode Island were classic liberal republicans. Jacob Javits of NYC was one as well IIRC. we tend to call them RINOS. Maine Senators Collins and Snowe are such beasts
 
X Factor said:
Lemme guess, you didn't even read the OP.
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Gee, it's an OPINION piece from George Will. He wrote just the other that it was Gore that went to the court, when it was actually Bush. Maybe Will should stick to baseball.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Still, the correlation is with religion. We know that those strongly affiliated with religion give more... even to non-religious organizations. We also know that those who are not affiliated, regardless of political lean, give less. I'm certainly an advocate for separation of church and state, but there is something to be said for the positive effects that religion seems to give, at least in the way of being charitable. I also think that if we were to do a sociological/historical study, we might find that the REAL cause of increased government intervention with the poor, was the decline of the importance of organized religion in the lives of the US population. The "church" at one time was the center for socializing, interacting, and helping in one's community. As this decreased, as we can see from the study, the charity of people would also decrease. This is one negative thing that I believe that liberalism has brought to the US over the past 50 years or so. Not that it solidifies separation of church and state. I have no problem with that. But that it tends to degrade religion, when there are certainly some positives that religion contributes.
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I think that is a really interesting post and I have thought about it before... I have seen Christian churches buy billboards to push anti abortion theology in my area, but I haven't seen them making the same ruckus to feed the hungry in my neighborhood or care for homeless children... I do really appreciate churches that are active in the community, and I think the community is capable and should do these things.. not the federal government, but it will take some reorganizing and individual effort. I think TurtleDude called me a communtarian because of that..
 
pbrauer said:
Gee, it's an OPINION piece from George Will. He wrote just the other that it was Gore that went to the court, when it was actually Bush. Maybe Will should stick to baseball.
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Gore went to court as well. GOre lost all 7 cases at the trial level. One of gore's sockpuppets filed a suit trying to disqualify military ballots based on claims that the ballot applications were improperly helped by republican operatives
 
SheWolf said:
I think that is a really interesting post and I have thought about it before... I have seen Christian churches buy billboards to push anti abortion theology in my area, but I haven't seen them making the same ruckus to feed the hungry in my neighborhood or care for homeless children... I do really appreciate churches that are active in the community, and I think the community is capable and should do these things.. not the federal government, but it will take some reorganizing and individual effort. I think TurtleDude called me a communtarian because of that..
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communitarian is what I normally call faux libertarian Guy. its a socialist-lite philosophy
 
I'm curious why "charity" is defined only by how much money you throw at people.
 
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