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Liberals Admit The Democratic Party Is Out Of Ideas.....

MMC said:
These guy thinks they need to appeal to a wider group. How does that translate in breakdown division with the Demo tactic?


What really went wrong for Democrats.....

“We have a problem,” Democratic pollster Mark Mellman, who polled on the Kentucky Senate race, told me. “If we’re really going to expand our chances in the Senate and House, we have to appeal to a wider group than we are now.”

“Republicans were exceptionally successful in nationalizing the election in most places, and on focusing voters’ anger and anxiety on Obama,” pollster Geoff Garin, who polled in the Iowa race, told me. “Voters were particularly inclined to punish whoever is running things. Democrats owned the status quo in voters’ minds.”

This dynamic fed into the broader Republican strategy of seizing on every crisis that came along to sow doubts about Obama’s — and government’s — competence. Pollster Andrew Maxfield, who polled in the Arkansas and Alaska Senate races, says Republicans successfully made the case that government just wasn’t working for people — economically or otherwise.....snip~

What really went wrong for Democrats - The Washington Post
Greg Sargent writes The Plum Line blog, a reported opinion blog with a liberal slant -- what you might call “opinionated reporting” from the left.
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"These guy thinks they need to appeal to a wider group"...

That's political code for we're stuck in a rut.

“Republicans were exceptionally successful in nationalizing the election in most places, and on focusing voters’ anger and anxiety on Obama"....of course, it's called identifying the issues. While the Obama administration was focused on individual "positions" like the income gap, the nation was asking "who's running the show, anyone?" and Republicans identified that and campaigned to it. There are no tricks here, it is the same as "it's the economy stupid"...

You may recall that about six months ago I suggested Obama would err on the issues, and would end up believing his own hype...he really thought he could swing this one with vague **** like "hope and change" when the nation was just pissed off and took out their frustration on the governing party.
 
Visbek said:
You do realize that Republicans went through the exact same re-examination when they got their asses whupped 2 years ago, right?

You do realize that lots of Republicans moved towards the center in this recent election, right?

You do realize that in the same way that Republicans ≠ Conservatives, Democrats ≠ Leftist/Liberals?

You do know that Hillary beats every Republican candidate in current 2016 polls by around 10 points, right?
RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race
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Uhm no.....as none said they questioned their own ideology. But we did hear all about how many Republicans didn't come out to vote in a Presidential Election for Romney, huh? Just like the Voters not turning out here for the Demos.

Again.....It was just pointed out how BO peep was the Cause and focus of the People.

Yeah I do.....has it dawned on you that these are left wing writers and pollsters................yet?

That's funny.....I don't see Kasich's Name, Pence or Portman. Can Hillary get around Warren and Jerry Brown?
 
Jack Hays said:
Hillary will soon be hit with a large volume of incoming fire from her left. If she counterattacks then she will alienate "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." If she caves then she will take herself away from the center.
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One thing is for certain.....she isn't going to be discussing BO care to much, huh?
 
It is hard for me to see the election as an indictment on liberalism itself as most of the liberal ballot initiatives were accepted by the voters. Liberal policies aren't too unpopular. The politicians are, however.
 
MMC said:
Whats this :shock: .....Liberals questioning their ideology and all out of ideas.
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Now that would be fantastic, huh? Also fighting a civil war within the Democratic Party. It doesn't get any better than this......does it? Are the Demos on the Verge of eating their own once again? Can the rift in their party be exploited? Can the opposing factions be manipulated into the public and MS Media's eyes? Can the Republicans use it against the Demos chances with Hillary? What say ye?



How badly did Democrats lose last Tuesday? So badly that a growing number of liberals are questioning whether or not their party is out of ideas.

The day after the election, The American Prospect's Harold Meyerson wrote:

the Democrats’ failure isn’t just the result of Republican negativity. It’s also intellectual and ideological. What, besides raising the minimum wage, do the Democrats propose to do about the shift in income from wages to profits, from labor to capital, from the 99 percent to the 1 percent? How do they deliver for an embattled middle class in a globalized, de-unionized, far-from-full-employment economy, where workers have lost the power they once wielded to ensure a more equitable distribution of income and wealth? What Democrat, besides Elizabeth Warren, campaigned this year to diminish the sway of the banks? Who proposed policies that would give workers the power to win more stable employment and higher incomes, not just at the level of the minimum wage but across the economic spectrum?

And yesterday Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall added: Again, a stark reality: Democrats don't have a set of policies to turn around this trend. The New York Times David Leonhardt also notes.....snip~

Liberals Admit The Democratic Party Is Out Of Ideas - Conn Carroll
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Now if we can just get Conservatives to admit the same about the GOP, we might have a chance at some actual progress.
 
MMC said:
One thing is for certain.....she isn't going to be discussing BO care to much, huh?
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She really needs to take care of her BO though. I'm not sure America's ready for a President that doesn't use deodorant.
 
The obvious split I see coming in 2016 for the Democrats is between the Clinton faction and the Warren faction.

We'll have Bill stumping for Hillary and Obama stumping for Warren. It will be interesting to watch the two sides destroy each other. It will make the Tea Party/Neo-Con rift seem small in comparison
 
Ontologuy said:
They instead have only one recourse: double their efforts to paint the conservatives as "harmful" to this and that "disaffected" group and pander, pander, pander .. until they can regain enough votes to be nationally relevant again.

So, with regard to the White House, they'll, once again, attempt to run some kind of demographic "novelty candidate" .. like, for instance, Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife.
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Agreed, we already see that in Warren and Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife. <---thats hilarious btw.
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt she will seek it as a topic, no.
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So no BO care......no Benghazi/Libya.....no Iraq.....No South American Policy.....No War on Women.....No War on Terror and she can't talk about a vision due to falling and hitting her head. Can't have a President that keeps seeing things that are just not there. Uhm.....I mean another one. :lol:
 
BrewerBob said:
It is hard for me to see the election as an indictment on liberalism itself as most of the liberal ballot initiatives were accepted by the voters. Liberal policies aren't too unpopular. The politicians are, however.
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If they aren't "too unpopular" why was the party of those policies voted in?
 
jmotivator said:
The obvious split I see coming in 2016 for the Democrats is between the Clinton faction and the Warren faction.

We'll have Bill stumping for Hillary and Obama stumping for Warren. It will be interesting to watch the two sides destroy each other. It will make the Tea Party/Neo-Con rift seem small in comparison
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For that, I will pop untold amounts of popcorn. :cool: Whats funny is that it might make Biden seem like the reasonable candidate.
 
rocket88 said:
She really needs to take care of her BO though. I'm not sure America's ready for a President that doesn't use deodorant.
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Heya 88. :2wave: I heard OLD Spice is coming out with a Powdered Spray.....NO CFC's. It would be appropriate for her platform, huh? :lol:
 
APACHERAT said:
If your beef jerky isn't tough, check the ingredients for soymeal.

Or your jerky might be PC turkey jerky.
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I make my own from NY strip. It's all in the cut of meat, and how you prepare it.


Oh, and turkey jerky is delicious.
 
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KevinKohler said:
I make my own from NY strip. It's all in the cut of meat, and how you prepare it.


Oh, and turkey jerky is delicious.
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Have you ever wonder why they call it jerky ?

But I digress, I'm sorry to hear you lack a refrigerator at home and you have to resort to preserving your steaks.
 
Redress said:
Not particularly, no. We have been through it before, we will go through it again, and we will come out stronger. But all things considered, we can still stop republicans from really doing any significant damage, so no, it is not that tough.
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A political party that is dependent on illegal immigration doesn't sound like a smart idea.
 
APACHERAT said:
Have you ever wonder why they call it jerky ?

But I digress, I'm sorry to hear you lack a refrigerator at home and you have to resort to preserving your steaks.
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I'm not. I love good jerky. I make a mean chicken jerky, too. It's all about tenderizing with a mallet first, then continuing tenderizing with seasonings. You dry rub it, and let the seasonings break down the meat for several days, THEN you smoke it.


Makes FINE jerky, my friend, and allows me to eat steak whenever I want, right out of my pocket.

Try THAT with a Tbone.
 
US Conservative said:
You sound like the ACA guy. Your frustration reflects the democrat parties-out of ideas and unable to express anything.
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I'm fed up with BOTH parties. Face it, BOTH of them suck, in EQUAL degrees. BOTH of them place THEMSELVES and their careers higher than their constituents, BOTH of them are purely motivated by money, BOTH of them are rife with corporatists, BOTH of them engage in inside trading, and a slew of other crimes that AREN'T crimes for them, as THEY make the laws.

You simply can't honestly defend your own party, admit it.


Once the american people understand THAT, we'll see ACTUAL change.

But I won't hold my breath. Because people are ****ing idiots.
 
KevinKohler said:
I'm not. I love good jerky. I make a mean chicken jerky, too. It's all about tenderizing with a mallet first, then continuing tenderizing with seasonings. You dry rub it, and let the seasonings break down the meat for several days, THEN you smoke it.
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Sounds like a trip to an AMP.

Where's the happy ending ?
 
MMC said:
Whats this :shock: .....Liberals questioning their ideology and all out of ideas.
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*sigh*

No, liberals are not "questioning their ideology." They are questioning the Democratic Party and its leadership.

When are we going to get over this ridiculous fantasy that the Democratic Party actually represents liberal values?
 
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