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Liberal-Friendly Pledge of Allegiance

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I [robotically mouth the words to a loyalty oath I was forced to memorize during government-sponsored childhood indoctrination out of fear of being ostracized] to [a multi-colored cloth representing territories acquired through warfare and genocide] and to the [corporate plutocracy] for which it stands, one [arbitrarily bordered land mass occupied by racially diverse people ruled by an entrenched white elite] under [a mythical being with supernatural powers believed in by humans in order to ease the fear that they are insignificant specks hurdling toward eternal oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe], indivisible [except during the Civil War], with liberty and justice for [those who can afford it].
 

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:applaud bravo!!

Welcome to Debate Politics! :wcm
 

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Nicely done!

Now where's my beer?

Seattle? I thought that said Milwaukee.

Ok, then where's my Latte?:drink
 
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heh

That was tight.

Oh, Pacridge. . .

There's a new rule on the forum.

In order to stay on this forum you must make available, free of charge, Weinhards Dark Special Reserve and Tilly.
 

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Thank god in most states they don't actualy enforce the pledge. (I always sat down)
 

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Personally I find it silly to worship a flag or songs. That's just me though.
 

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I don't even say the pledge of allegience anymore.....


I don't prefer to lie in school, it normally gets me into trouble. ;)
 

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Where in the world is the debate here ! Somone please disagree with somone! Ahhhh.

Oh ya. that was so true and kind of sad. oh well.
 
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As silly as pledging to a piece of cloth sounds to many of us adults, it is an important tool to teach reverence for our political institutions to our younger students.

Admittedly, when we were children, we all robotically uttered those words. And most of us screwed up the pronunciation of the word "indivisible", but didn't we all know that there was something in those monotonous words that our teachers and parents found to be important?

Yes, we do grow up, and the need for reciting this litany is replaced with a more sophisticated study of the Constitution. The irony is that by enshrining the right to create humorous absurdities like the "Liberal-Friendly Pledge", those dead white men with imperialistic ideals (our founding fathers) actually got it right.
 

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Wow...
I take my allegiance to my country very seriously...as did our founding fathers...

I pledge allegience to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands
One Nation, UNDER GOD (!)
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all...

I know it sounds corny...but as someone who is currently living outside the country, I have realized how blessed we are to be Americans (for those of us who are...)
 

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mmatejka said:
Wow...
I take my allegiance to my country very seriously...as did our founding fathers...

I pledge allegience to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands
One Nation, UNDER GOD (!)
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all...

I know it sounds corny...but as someone who is currently living outside the country, I have realized how blessed we are to be Americans (for those of us who are...)
I take it history wasn’t your strongest subject in school. The Pledge of Allegiance was written 1892 and didn’t include the words “under God.” The words "under God" were added in 1954 by President Eisenhower. Kind hard for our founding fathers to “take serious” something that didn’t exist- isn’t it?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/usconstitution/a/pledgehist.htm
 

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Deus Ex Machina said:
As silly as pledging to a piece of cloth sounds to many of us adults, it is an important tool to teach reverence for our political institutions to our younger students.

Admittedly, when we were children, we all robotically uttered those words. And most of us screwed up the pronunciation of the word "indivisible", but didn't we all know that there was something in those monotonous words that our teachers and parents found to be important?

Yes, we do grow up, and the need for reciting this litany is replaced with a more sophisticated study of the Constitution. The irony is that by enshrining the right to create humorous absurdities like the "Liberal-Friendly Pledge", those dead white men with imperialistic ideals (our founding fathers) actually got it right.
If the founding ideals of the United States are inherently good, then we don't need the state to drill them into our children's brains before they have the cognitive and emotional maturity to understand them. Forced, state-sponsored childhood indoctrination is a hallmark of totalitarian societies.
 

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Pacridge said:
I take it history wasn’t your strongest subject in school. The Pledge of Allegiance was written 1892 and didn’t include the words “under God.” The words "under God" were added in 1954 by President Eisenhower. Kind hard for our founding fathers to “take serious” something that didn’t exist- isn’t it?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/usconstitution/a/pledgehist.htm
Not to mention that the pledge's author, Francis Bellamy, was a Christian socialist, and his original pledge was generic and didn't mention the United States, which he found to be racially and economically unjust.
 

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mmatejka said:
I know it sounds corny...but as someone who is currently living outside the country, I have realized how blessed we are to be Americans (for those of us who are...)
And for those who aren't, duck for cover!
 

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That was great!

If only Liberals and Conservatives could agree on a proper pledge!.. Maybe to the Fannie Mae Foundation, who knows
 

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I remeber saying that in Elementary school.. I actually argued with my teacher that it's "Individable" instead of "Indivisible"..
 

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Pacridge said:
I take it history wasn’t your strongest subject in school. The Pledge of Allegiance was written 1892 and didn’t include the words “under God.” The words "under God" were added in 1954 by President Eisenhower. Kind hard for our founding fathers to “take serious” something that didn’t exist- isn’t it?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/usconstitution/a/pledgehist.htm
Thank you for the correction. Actually, I did well in history...I just did not do well in REMEMBERING it!

Leave out the founding fathers, then. Eisenhower was a great man...and I stand by my former statement. This nation needs to remember from whence it came. The pledge surely mirrored the sentiments of our founding fathers, though.
 

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mmatejka said:
Thank you for the correction. Actually, I did well in history...I just did not do well in REMEMBERING it!

Leave out the founding fathers, then. Eisenhower was a great man...and I stand by my former statement. This nation needs to remember from whence it came. The pledge surely mirrored the sentiments of our founding fathers, though.
Eisenhower's achievements in WWII alone make him a great man. Some of his accomplishments as our 34th President only solidify my admiration of him. The Interstate Highway system, though initiated by FDR, was a marvel and he understood its massive impact. Not only in regards to our national security and defense, but to our economy as well.



As for whether our founding fathers would have been for establishing a pledge that included the words “under God.” I would seriously question that. As many have pointed out on here through quotes and statements by the men themselves, they were not in favor of any state sanctioned religion. It could be that you’re right, I don’t know. But at a minimum I’d questioned it and the fact that they didn’t it, in my opinion, says something.

 
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