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Liberal Crimes Towards America

chesswarsnow

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Lets ask,

1. Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.
2. Guilty Politicians: Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Dean, Reid, Polosie, McCain, Plame, Bill Clinton, Carter, and others.
3. What will be done about it? Nothing.
4. How will the Democratic Party recover from this? It won't.
5. Media Bias: further hinders Americans/network watchers (cbs,nbc,abc,kera), from understanding how the Democrats have lost all credibility, the constant negative drum beat towards Bush is slowly turning the masses towards the Republicans. Back lash effect.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask,

1. Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.
2. Guilty Politicians: Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Dean, Reid, Polosie, McCain, Plame, Bill Clinton, Carter, and others.
3. What will be done about it? Nothing.
4. How will the Democratic Party recover from this? It won't.
5. Media Bias: further hinders Americans/network watchers (cbs,nbc,abc,kera), from understanding how the Democrats have lost all credibility, the constant negative drum beat towards Bush is slowly turning the masses towards the Republicans. Back lash effect.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


...amen brother
 
chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask,

1. Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.
2. Guilty Politicians: Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Dean, Reid, Polosie, McCain, Plame, Bill Clinton, Carter, and others.
3. What will be done about it? Nothing.
4. How will the Democratic Party recover from this? It won't.
5. Media Bias: further hinders Americans/network watchers (cbs,nbc,abc,kera), from understanding how the Democrats have lost all credibility, the constant negative drum beat towards Bush is slowly turning the masses towards the Republicans. Back lash effect.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Shhhhhhh...don't wake him. He's having a pleasant dream. :rofl
 
Captain America said:
Shhhhhhh...don't wake him. He's having a pleasant dream. :rofl

:applaud

You are just the funniest guy I've ever met....the funniest.......ever........ :applaud

So far, every time you've been "rolling on the floor laughing," I've had to struggle to figure out why.
 
chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask,

1. Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.
2. Guilty Politicians: Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Dean, Reid, Polosie, McCain, Plame, Bill Clinton, Carter, and others.
3. What will be done about it? Nothing.
4. How will the Democratic Party recover from this? It won't.
5. Media Bias: further hinders Americans/network watchers (cbs,nbc,abc,kera), from understanding how the Democrats have lost all credibility, the constant negative drum beat towards Bush is slowly turning the masses towards the Republicans. Back lash effect.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Back this up with examples please.
 
Back this up with examples please.


Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.

ex. Shattering civilian morale by mouthing off about how we're losing the Iraq war, when in fact, our troops are making great progress while their accomplishments are undermined by the defeatist democratic party.

ex. Filling the media outlets with negatives about the war in Iraq, while abandoning interest in the equally important war in Afghanistan

ex. Focus on the censure and eventual impeachment of our President, instead of fulfilling their responsibilities as elected officials. (so add feingold to his list of examples)
 
Please define progress; something that we can quantifiy.

If you can't; amking a statement about progress in Iraq is nothing more than rheotoric, just like those Democrats!
 
Originally Posted by NYRepublican788
ex. Shattering civilian morale by mouthing off about how we're losing the Iraq war, when in fact, our troops are making great progress while their accomplishments are undermined by the defeatist democratic party.

ex. Filling the media outlets with negatives about the war in Iraq, while abandoning interest in the equally important war in Afghanistan

ex. Focus on the censure and eventual impeachment of our President, instead of fulfilling their responsibilities as elected officials. (so add feingold to his list of examples)
The guys fighting the War on Terrorism are the same guys who fought the War on Crime and the War on Drugs. And they didn't win either one of them!
 
chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask,

1. Anti American Rhetoric on the world stage.
2. Guilty Politicians: Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Dean, Reid, Polosie, McCain, Plame, Bill Clinton, Carter, and others.
3. What will be done about it? Nothing.
4. How will the Democratic Party recover from this? It won't.
5. Media Bias: further hinders Americans/network watchers (cbs,nbc,abc,kera), from understanding how the Democrats have lost all credibility, the constant negative drum beat towards Bush is slowly turning the masses towards the Republicans. Back lash effect.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Actually, I'm pretty happy this is happening, so the world understands that not all Americans are war-mongerers who think its cool to preemptively invade countries based on "mistakes."
 
NYRepublican788 said:
ex. Shattering civilian morale by mouthing off about how we're losing the Iraq war, when in fact, our troops are making great progress while their accomplishments are undermined by the defeatist democratic party.
we're winning? So why are there more of them today then us?

NYRepublican788 said:
ex. Filling the media outlets with negatives about the war in Iraq, while abandoning interest in the equally important war in Afghanistan
Is that something the liberals did against Afghanistan? Or something the administration ordered?

NYRepublican788 said:
ex. Focus on the censure and eventual impeachment of our President, instead of fulfilling their responsibilities as elected officials. (so add feingold to his list of examples)
Hmmm, sounds like 1997.
 
Please define progress; something that we can quantifiy.

If you can't; amking a statement about progress in Iraq is nothing more than rheotoric, just like those Democrats!

There is seriously way too much progress for me to sit here and list, plus I'm honestly not into the news enough to memorize facts and figures. I know a good blog entry that I will link which involves this issue. Also, the GOP is somehow able to come up with a substantial report on Iraq progress each week on their website, do you guys think that they're just being creative. Luckily we have many sources like this on the internet that provide positive updates on the situation over there.

Despite what you hear in the media, we are preventing Iraq from total collapse, not causing it. Our military has been able to do this long enough that there is now more political progress going on there as well.

here's the link

...and here's some news on the political motion going on over there
 
jfuh said:
we're winning? So why are there more of them today then us?
lol...so if we send in enough reinforcements to have a one soldier advantage over them, then we would be winning? :confused:


jfuh said:
Is that something the liberals did against Afghanistan? Or something the administration ordered?
..................................................alrighty then.


jfuh said:
Hmmm, sounds like 1997.
You mean back when a certain U.S. President lied to a grand jury with a straight face. Is that in some twisted liberal way, at all similar to our current president authorizing a program to detect threats to our national security? Why are the democrats uncomfortable with the NSA monitoring certain international telephone conversations? Isn't it true that if this method of communication is left completely unguarded, terrorists would have an absolutely free and open means of contact, even to possible collaborators within our country?
 
NYRepublican788 said:
lol...so if we send in enough reinforcements to have a one soldier advantage over them, then we would be winning? :confused:
That's escaping the question. Lame :spin:

NYRepublican788 said:
alrighty then.
:roll:

NYRepublican788 said:
You mean back when a certain U.S. President lied to a grand jury with a straight face.
Do you mean to say that what the current administration doing is the same as Clinton in 97? Wow, I'd never thought that a hardcore rightwinger like you would admit to that.

NYRepublican788 said:
Is that in some twisted liberal way, at all similar to our current president authorizing a program to detect threats to our national security? Why are the democrats uncomfortable with the NSA monitoring certain international telephone conversations? Isn't it true that if this method of communication is left completely unguarded, terrorists would have an absolutely free and open means of contact, even to possible collaborators within our country?
Hmm interesting, all I see here is :spin:.
But I'm glad you enjoy the government listening into your wanking on 900 calls.
 
Do you mean to say that what the current administration doing is the same as Clinton in 97? Wow, I'd never thought that a hardcore rightwinger like you would admit to that.
no, thats why I said this...
Is that in some twisted liberal way, at all similar to our current president authorizing a program to detect threats to our national security?

How is that spin? I asked you three direct questions that pertain to the subect in response to "hmm sounds like 1997.".....You have over 2300 hundred posts compared to my 28, thats quite a bit of time to practice, yet you couldn't respond to a single thing I said?
 
NYRepublican788 said:
no, thats why I said this...


How is that spin? I asked you three direct questions that pertain to the subect in response to "hmm sounds like 1997.".....You have over 2300 hundred posts compared to my 28, thats quite a bit of time to practice, yet you couldn't respond to a single thing I said?
If you want a serious answer then post serious questions. ie "Some twisted liberal way" is not going to receive any serious response. Your second remark is again more :spin: What do post numbers have any relevance to the topic at hand? Perhaps you will learn relevance when you stay around some more.
 
Billo_Really said:
The guys fighting the War on Terrorism are the same guys who fought the War on Crime and the War on Drugs. And they didn't win either one of them!

...And they fought the Cold War...And, well...even though they were criticized they WON and proved not only to be right; but, frickin geniuses.
 
Moved to basement. Raise your hand if you were surprised.
 
Billo_Really said:
The guys fighting the War on Terrorism are the same guys who fought the War on Crime and the War on Drugs. And they didn't win either one of them!

How do you fight an idea, anyway? It's not like terrorism is some boogie monster that we just have to find in order to get rid of it -- heck, it's not really something we can find. It's in the minds of the people who condone/take part in it, and there's really very little we can do except be prepared. Even if the terrorists we were originally pursuing (whatever happened to them, anyway?) were destroyed, more would come to take their place.
 
Lizai said:
How do you fight an idea, anyway? It's not like terrorism is some boogie monster that we just have to find in order to get rid of it -- heck, it's not really something we can find. It's in the minds of the people who condone/take part in it, and there's really very little we can do except be prepared. Even if the terrorists we were originally pursuing (whatever happened to them, anyway?) were destroyed, more would come to take their place.

That is exactly right. Folks keep saying we have to get tougher on terrorists, but terrorism is an act. Technically, someone can't even be a terrorist until they have committed the act, and then it is usually too late.

The best you can hope to do is reduce the numer of people who desire to become terrorists and blow themselves up. From what I can see, unfortunately, our current strategy is backfiring and encouraging more to side with the radical/terrorists.
 
How do you fight an idea, anyway?
You fight an idea like terrorism, similar to the way that you fight other ideas like nazzism and racism, by taking action. Yes it is in the minds of its practitioners, however, through the use of force (in this case military force), it can be deafeated. Only being prepared would not do the trick because it would allow these acts to occur repeatedly without any measure of prevention.

Even if the terrorists we were originally pursuing were destroyed, more would come to take their place.

Now imagine saying,"even if the nazzis were destroyed, more would come to take their place, so there is obviously no use persuing them."

You've helped to expand the "Liberal Crimes Toward America" list on this thread by adding, appeasement.

The best you can hope to do is reduce the numer of people who desire to become terrorists and blow themselves up. From what I can see, unfortunately, our current strategy is backfiring and encouraging more to side with the radical/terrorists.
Iriemon, you are right that the best you can hope to do is reduce terrorism. Even the evils that I mentioned above, nazzism and racism, still exist today, but on a much smaller scale.

I entirely disagree with your suggestion that our current strategy is actually encouraging terrorism and it is hard for me to understand why you would think that. I know that a growing number of people believe that our strategy in Iraq is backfiring but that has less and less to do with fighting terrorism itself at this point.
 
Sorry bout that,

1. Another perfectly good post flushed. Yes I am, shuamort. As I would be huh?:lol:
2. Whats the matter with these liberals, to defend terror by ending the Patriot Act is self destructive, and apparently is what the Liberals want.
3. This is a crime.
4. Its basically treason.
5. It re-enacts the separation of secret services. FBI, CIA, NSA, you get the picture.
6. It would infact end listening to the terror groups afar, and near. They are here folks.
7. They are biding their time. Waiting for a signal. Then BOOOOM!
8. Then I can hear the Liberals yelling, just like in New Orleans, "Where's Bush?!" *Was he reading some books to children again?* " Where was he this time?!"
9. The Liberal Media is so petty.
10. Either we fight terror or we sit back and wait for more attacks all over the planet.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
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NYRepublican788 said:
You fight an idea like terrorism, similar to the way that you fight other ideas like nazzism and racism, by taking action. Yes it is in the minds of its practitioners, however, through the use of force (in this case military force), it can be deafeated. Only being prepared would not do the trick because it would allow these acts to occur repeatedly without any measure of prevention.

Sounds good in theory. But how do you use military force against thoughts? It's like saying your going to use the military in the war against theft. It's really a stupid concept. Potential terrorists are scattered throughout the world. We can't read minds. They don't wear t-shirts that say "I'm going to be a terrorist." How do you use military force against that, short of killing everyone?

Use of force against specific, identifiable targets like in Afganistan makes sense. Using military action generally to solve a problem like Iraq just makes more terrorists.

Now imagine saying,"even if the nazzis were destroyed, more would come to take their place, so there is obviously no use persuing them."

The nazis were not a concept or an act. They were a political party that controlled a nation and its military forces. They wore shirts that said "I'm a nazi" -- remember those red black and white armbands?

Attacking Iraq for what terrorist did would be like attacking Spain for what the nazis did.

You've helped to expand the "Liberal Crimes Toward America" list on this thread by adding, appeasement.

I'm not suggesting appeasement. Appeasement is when you back down from a agressor nation. And sometimes it makes sense, unless you think the world would have been better off had we started nuclear war in '56, '62, '68 or '79.

But I'm not suggesting appeasement. I'm suggesting we fix our mistake. When you make a mistake, the right thing to do is to apologize, and pay for the damage it caused. Bush made a mistake invading Iraq based on WMDs. We'd all be better off if he acted like a man and did the right thing. But he won't because he (and his apologists) are too proud.

Iriemon, you are right that the best you can hope to do is reduce terrorism. Even the evils that I mentioned above, nazzism and racism, still exist today, but on a much smaller scale.

Then how do we reduce "terrorism," given that it is not a nation or an armed force or even a political party in charge of a government (well it is becoming more that way). Terrorism is an act -- a criminal act. It is usually committed by those associated with radical Islamic causes. It seems logical to me that if we want to reduce the threat of terrorism, we should concentrate on reducing the number of people who would join and support radical Islamic causes. How do we do that?

I entirely disagree with your suggestion that our current strategy is actually encouraging terrorism and it is hard for me to understand why you would think that. I know that a growing number of people believe that our strategy in Iraq is backfiring but that has less and less to do with fighting terrorism itself at this point.

Look at the evidece. I spelled it out earlier. Terrorist activity in Iraq has gone from (reported) a couple camps in the mountains of Northern Iraq to a full scale resistance throughout the entire country. Terrorist attacks worldwide have increased. Iran was moving towards moderation a few years ago, recently it elected a radical anti-American pro-radical government. Same in Palestine. These are not signs that the situation is improving based on our current strategy.
 
Sounds good in theory. But how do you use military force against thoughts? It's like saying your going to use the military in the war against theft. It's really a stupid concept. Potential terrorists are scattered throughout the world. We can't read minds. They don't wear t-shirts that say "I'm going to be a terrorist." How do you use military force against that, short of killing everyone?
The use of military force to fight terrorism means targeting specific groups/figures that either practice or sponsor terrorist activity. We have done this by taking the initiative in places that we know for a fact are involved in terrorism, such as Afghanistan like you said, but a fact that is widely dismissed, is that Sadaam Hussein supported terrorism.

Just because we didn't find weps doesn't mean we didn't find torture rooms, rape rooms, and mass graves.


ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

If this doesn't describe the regime that was in place when the United States Military invaded Iraq then I don't know what does.
They were indeed "identifiable targets"

The nazis were not a concept or an act. They were a political party that controlled a nation and its military forces. They wore shirts that said "I'm a nazi" -- remember those red black and white armbands?
Yes it most definitely was a concept, hence the term "Nazism" (it was also a political party that was based on that concept, just like my party of choice is rooted in "conservatism"). You say that Nazism was not an act, but I would briefly define Nazism as

1. The act of rapid, state sponsored genocide, carried out in order to create an Aryan race.

and

2. The concept of nationally encouraged racism, preaching blame for all of the world's problems on the Jews, and aspiring to exterminate those that did not fit Nazi Germany's "superman" Aryan race ambitions.

It is true that they were much easier to identify and locate, but that fact is nothing that should discourage us from taking the offensive against them. If terrorists were more isolated from eachother, it would be more difficult to identify and locate them, but they do exist in certain large orginizations such as al-qaeda. In addition, we do know which countries they are more likely to take harbor in.

But I'm not suggesting appeasement. I'm suggesting we fix our mistake. When you make a mistake, the right thing to do is to apologize, and pay for the damage it caused. Bush made a mistake invading Iraq based on WMDs. We'd all be better off if he acted like a man and did the right thing. But he won't because he (and his apologists) are too proud.
Bush did not make a mistake by invading Iraq. Why would you say that Bush made that mistake when many Reps and Dems had access to the same questionable intelligence. Also I have to mention that they might have had weapons and moved them, but lets not get into that. We do know that Saddam had committed extreme crimes, and that he did intend to gather weps. The only anti-war voices that I consider having a valid point, (not that I think they are right, but they make a fair point) are the ones that question whether the American lives being lost now are worth saving Iraq from the Insurgency. The anti-war voices that claim that going into Iraq was a mistake are just being ignorant, considering the position that Iraq was in before we invaded. By not recognizing the progress, they are the ones being "too proud". And the anti-war voices that question Bush's manhood, simply need to grow up.


Attacking Iraq for what terrorist did would be like attacking Spain for what the nazis did.
This commonly played card in the anti-war deck, is funnier when Zimbabwe is used instead of Spain. Its just more random.

Anyway, we did not attack Iraq for what Osama did. At no point did the Bush administration say that was the plan. In fact you even said that we invaded Iraq, "based on WMD's". Please pick one or the other.

Making the first move against terror-friendly nations is part of the strategy, but we did attack Iraq simply for "what the terrorists did"


Then how do we reduce "terrorism," given that it is not a nation or an armed force or even a political party in charge of a government (well it is becoming more that way). Terrorism is an act -- a criminal act. It is usually committed by those associated with radical Islamic causes. It seems logical to me that if we want to reduce the threat of terrorism, we should concentrate on reducing the number of people who would join and support radical Islamic causes. How do we do that?
By attacking terrorists, and countries that welcome it, we discourage more people from falling to terrorism. Similar to Viet Nam. Although we did not accomplish our goal there, we did contribute to sending a message which helped to discourage communism.

I think that the concept of bringing the threat to terrorism, instead of letting them bring it to us, is just too simple for some people to trust.

Look at the evidece. I spelled it out earlier. Terrorist activity in Iraq has gone from (reported) a couple camps in the mountains of Northern Iraq to a full scale resistance throughout the entire country.
The Saddamist insurgency took time to develop but our presence over there is not what caused it. Leaving immediately after dissmanteling his regime would have only been the difference between what is going on now, and a simple re-claiming of Iraq by Saddam loyalists.

Chess, keep reppin'........BUT WHY IN GOD'S NAME DO YOU NUMBER EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSTS?? lol
 
Sorry bout that,

1. NYREPUBLICAN788, great post bud.:elephantf
2. Yes I do have a distinct way of posting, and I like it.:rofl
3. Basically the way I see it, we fight protecting our lives or we don't fight.
4. I look at this as a chess board, everythings black and white.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
NYRepublican788 said:
The use of military force to fight terrorism means targeting specific groups/figures that either practice or sponsor terrorist activity. We have done this by taking the initiative in places that we know for a fact are involved in terrorism, such as Afghanistan like you said, but a fact that is widely dismissed, is that Sadaam Hussein supported terrorism.

Just because we didn't find weps doesn't mean we didn't find torture rooms, rape rooms, and mass graves.

I disagree there was significant evidence that Hussein supported terrorism to justify invasion.

I have not seen where evidence of the "rape rooms" was found. I asked about it before and no one was able to show my a cite to anything to demonstrated evidence of these rooms, except for the claims of some Anti-Hussein person pre-invasion. Maybe you can show me a cite where they found evidence of these "rape rooms"

Mass graves is evidence of a brutality in administration of the country; not sponsorship of international terrorism

If this doesn't describe the regime that was in place when the United States Military invaded Iraq then I don't know what does.

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

That's a little broad of a definition, don't you think? Our country is threatening to use military force against Iran, even nukes, "with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments." Does that make us terrorists?

They were indeed "identifiable targets"

Who? Iraq?

Yes it most definitely was a concept, hence the term "Nazism" (it was also a political party that was based on that concept, just like my party of choice is rooted in "conservatism"). You say that Nazism was not an act, but I would briefly define Nazism as

1. The act of rapid, state sponsored genocide, carried out in order to create an Aryan race.

and

2. The concept of nationally encouraged racism, preaching blame for all of the world's problems on the Jews, and aspiring to exterminate those that did not fit Nazi Germany's "superman" Aryan race ambitions.

You are describing what they did. "Nazi" stood for "National Socialist" which was a political party in Germany. "Terrorist" doesn't describe anything but an act.

It is true that they were much easier to identify and locate, but that fact is nothing that should discourage us from taking the offensive against them. If terrorists were more isolated from eachother, it would be more difficult to identify and locate them, but they do exist in certain large orginizations such as al-qaeda. In addition, we do know which countries they are more likely to take harbor in.

Well why don't we just bomb their capital?

Bush did not make a mistake by invading Iraq.

The invasion was based on a mistake.

Why would you say that Bush made that mistake when many Reps and Dems had access to the same questionable intelligence.

Because he (supposedly) thought WMDs were in Iraq. Whether he was wrong or right to think that, that was a mistake.

We do know that Saddam had committed extreme crimes, and that he did intend to gather weps. The only anti-war voices that I consider having a valid point, (not that I think they are right, but they make a fair point) are the ones that question whether the American lives being lost now are worth saving Iraq from the Insurgency. The anti-war voices that claim that going into Iraq was a mistake are just being ignorant, considering the position that Iraq was in before we invaded. By not recognizing the progress, they are the ones being "too proud". And the anti-war voices that question Bush's manhood, simply need to grow up.

The anti-war voice that claimed going into Iraq was a mistake because it was questionable whether Iraq really had WMDs aren't being ignorant, they were correct. And what is coming more and more clearly to light is that Bush knew the evidence on WMDs was bullshit, and misrepresented the truth. My opinion is that his administration knew Iraq probably did not have WMDs, that if it was show Iraq did not have WMDs they would not have justification to put their neocon American Century world domination plan in place, and that is why he rushed to war. But that is only my opinion, I admit.

This commonly played card in the anti-war deck, is funnier when Zimbabwe is used instead of Spain. Its just more random.

I like using Spain because at least it was a fascist country, like Germany.

Anyway, we did not attack Iraq for what Osama did. At no point did the Bush administration say that was the plan.

That was the impression he created by talking about Hussein and 9-11 and terrorists together in the same breath over and over. You think millions of Americans thought Iraqis were on the 9-11 aircraft because the liberal media created that belief?

In fact you even said that we invaded Iraq, "based on WMD's". Please pick one or the other.

WMDs was clearly the primary reason -- they are the basis for claiming Iraq was violating UN sanctions and the basis for the urgent threat. The terrorist link was in there to butress the urgent threat message because it created the impression that Hussien was liable to give his suitcase nukes to his terrorist brigades any day.

Making the first move against terror-friendly nations is part of the strategy, but we did attack Iraq simply for "what the terrorists did"

Name on terrorist attack Iraq was ever implicated in. Name one terrorist attack there was ever any evidence that Iraq supported.

By attacking terrorists, and countries that welcome it, we discourage more people from falling to terrorism. Similar to Viet Nam. Although we did not accomplish our goal there, we did contribute to sending a message which helped to discourage communism.

By attacking, invading and occupying a country based on false preteneses that had nothing to do with an attack on us; by claiming we are invading for a limited purpose of getting rid of the WMDs and removing Hussein and then staying indefinitely; by mismanaging the occupation with things like Abu Grave and locking people away like some two-bit dictatorship; we are encouraging otherwise moderate Muslems to believe the Radicals when they say we are liars and want to control their countries and oil and corrupt their societies and their religion.

I think that the concept of bringing the threat to terrorism, instead of letting them bring it to us, is just too simple for some people to trust.

I certainly agree. And I'm sure the Iraqis are really grateful that we chose their country to let every terrorist kook in the ME into so we can fight them there.

The Saddamist insurgency took time to develop but our presence over there is not what caused it.

I don't remember reading about it before we invaded.

Leaving immediately after dissmanteling his regime would have only been the difference between what is going on now, and a simple re-claiming of Iraq by Saddam loyalists.

The Govt of Iraq is the Iraqis responsibility.

Chess, keep reppin'........BUT WHY IN GOD'S NAME DO YOU NUMBER EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSTS?? lol

Huh?
 
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